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First NET Rankings-#22

ChoppinBroccoli said:
I 100% agree with you there. Still don't see what that has to do with NET, though. :) Every ranking system has that bias.
I guess I'm not sure what you're advocating here? Don't play good teams, because that is "stupid?" Scheduling a bunch of cupcakes and going 13-0 OOC is better than losing a couple of marquee games?
What is "bad" about a system that has ranked a couple of mid-majors ahead of traditional powers?
It sounds like you are unimpressed with BYU's resume, and even less impressed with St. Mary's. BYU is 5-7 in Quad 1/2 games. St. Mary's is 7-4. Who are the teams that are more impressive, and more deserving of being #23?
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Im advocating that it seems very beneficial to schedule the very best teams even knowing they will b loses because it creates a very good sos. I stated that from the very beginning.
Looking at st mary’s schedule... if those opponents add up to 11 quad 1 or 2 games, then the system is flawed. Do an eye test on that schedule and tell me there are 11 quality games. Could it be that each WCC members NET is raised because they play GU twice? Which verifies my whole point.
 
Davidson is up to 77. Would be great if they win most of their games down the stretch ( lose to us) and finish top 75, giving us a quad 1 and quad 2 win if we sweep them.
 
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fatherspider said:
Im advocating that it seems very beneficial to schedule the very best teams even knowing they will b loses because it creates a very good sos. I stated that from the very beginning.
Looking at st mary’s schedule... if those opponents add up to 11 quad 1 or 2 games, then the system is flawed. Do an eye test on that schedule and tell me there are 11 quality games. Could it be that each WCC members NET is raised because they play GU twice? Which verifies my whole point.
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We agree that the system rewards teams for scheduling the best teams. You think that's "bad" and that BYU shouldn't be rewarded with a #23 (now #21) ranking for scheduling, and losing to, the very best. They're still 19-7 against one of the toughest schedules in the country (and as much as we focus on those top 3 losses, they didn't go out and schedule a ton of Quad 4 garbage, either). They're 19-4 against teams that aren't likely 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament.

I guess what I'm asking (and not very well, apparently) is: What's the alternative? Who should be rewarded with a top 25 ranking instead of a team that schedules tough and still wins most of their games? Who deserves it more? What does that resume look like?

Almost all of the teams with more than 19 wins are already ranked higher than BYU. Should it be 21-3 Liberty, with two wins against non-Division 1 opponents? Wright State?

Or do we go the other direction and rank the 10th place team from the Big Ten, at 12-11?
 
Yep, the only "bad" results for us yesterday were Georgetown over Butler, and ironically, Alabama over LSU (as pointed out in another thread).
Alabama winning makes our SOS look better, but now we're competing with them for a bid.

It was a good day and we are solidly the #3 A10 team at this point.
 
ChoppinBroccoli said:
Yep, the only "bad" results for us yesterday were Georgetown over Butler, and ironically, Alabama over LSU (as pointed out in another thread).
Alabama winning makes our SOS look better, but now we're competing with them for a bid.

It was a good day and we are solidly the #3 A10 team at this point.
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Well if we’re being greedy I see others. ETSU Utah St. UVA & USC all won. Would have liked the reverse. vmi almost took out etsu. The latter 3 have easier paths to at large bids but we definitely don’t want ETSU in line for bid if they lose conf tourney. If we r still on bubble that’s a bid stealer.
 
Yeah, good point on ETSU. UNI is another - though they lost yesterday, they are still solidly ahead of us in the rankings.
 
If we are currently at 45 NET, we are looking very good at making the NCAA. If we win 6 straight it has got to be close to a guarantee, because our Net will be in the mid to low 30s. I think we are in good shape even if we loss one game, because our NET should still be close to 40. In looking at our quad 1 record, we looking pretty good compared to other bubble teams. We will look very good if Davidson can get their net a little lower.
 
UR80sfan said:
If we are currently at 45 NET, we are looking very good at making the NCAA. If we win 6 straight it has got to be close to a guarantee, because our Net will be in the mid to low 30s. I think we are in good shape even if we loss one game, because our NET should still be close to 40. In looking at our quad 1 record, we looking pretty good compared to other bubble teams. We will look very good if Davidson can get their net a little lower.
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I feel you may be a little optimistic on the movement.
But I am wondering what it would change if Davidson loses @ Dayton & @ UR, wins at home vs URI & VCU.
 
We have 4 Quad 1&2 wins now, with 2 more opportunities.
Teams currently below us in NET that we should be wary of....
Virginia: 7 Quad 1&2 wins, 5 more opportunities. One bad loss (at BC). And that whole "defending national champion" thing.
Arizona State: Also 7 Quad 1&2 wins, 5 more opportunities. No bad losses. They are hot - Bobby Hurley has them playing well.

Speaking of Hurleys - obviously I want us to get in over Rhode Island. But I will definitely crack a smile if Rhode Island also gets in this year, and Connecticut is one of the first four out. :)
 
Even though we all know a team's individual NET is not a deciding factor, and teams with NETS below other teams got in over them last year, it is still real nice to see us ahead of other bubble teams right now. We are in a real good spot at 19-6 with a 44 net right now. But, we need to keep on keeping on!
 
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It would be nice if Davidson could move up 4. Especially if that is by winning out at home.
 
ChoppinBroccoli said:
Winning at the Robins Center would probably accomplish that. But it wouldn't be nice.
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No, but Davidson losing at Dayton and at UR but winning at home vs VCU & URI might get them to 74.
That would be nice, especially if it fools the committee into thinking our two wins are Q1 & Q2...
 
Winning solves everything. Our schedule won't lend itself to a ton of upward NET mobility though we'll continue to creep up by winning. Unfortunately, any loss will really cost us. Win out and I think our NET hits the mid-high 30's, with exactly where dependent more on who does what above and below us. But, change one win to a loss (especially because any loss won't be to a highly ranked squad) and I think we end up around 50. That's dangerous territory.
 
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PhillySpider said:
Winning solves everything. Our schedule won't lend itself to a ton of upward NET mobility though we'll continue to creep up by winning. Unfortunately, any loss will really cost us. Win out and I think our NET hits the mid-high 30's, with exactly where dependent more on who does what above and below us. But, change one win to a loss (especially because any loss won't be to a highly ranked squad) and I think we end up around 50. That's dangerous territory.
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Yep. That was what Rothstein was trying to say during halftime on Saturday - not just for us, but any A10 team still in the hunt - there's not much upside to be had (unless you can upset Dayton), but the downside is significant.
 
Yep. Wichita and Georgetown passed us. Good news is Davidson only dropped 3 spots to 81, so there is still hope they can finish top 75 even if we beat them.
 
How do you give up 52 points to St. Joe's in an entire game – much less in one half? Sheesh. That should be grounds for expulsion from the league. For as good a coach as McKillop is, defense is definitely not his thing at all.
 
GKiller said:
dropped a couple back down to 46, probably thx to Davidson crap loss.
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St. Louis is now a Quad 3 loss for us as well. The only bad thing that happened last night were in our own league with Davidson and St. Louis losing.

That is unfortunate, but far better news were the teams on the bubble that lost last night, Arkansas, Purdue, and of course, Broad Street.
 
97spiderfan said:
St. Louis is now a Quad 3 loss for us as well. The only bad thing that happened last night were in our own league with Davidson and St. Louis losing.

That is unfortunate, but far better news were the teams on the bubble that lost last night, Arkansas, Purdue, and of course, Broad Street.
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I'm just glad the opponent losses seem to have much less impact than expected, perhaps because it is only 1/25th of their schedule.
Your own performance matters a bit more.

However...
Look at VCU's team sheet today (even if they weren't in free fall) 0-6 Quad 1 2-2 Quad 2...
 
gospidersgo said:
Moved up to #43 now, passing Alabama, Minnesota and Georgetown.
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Alabama is one spot behind us in the NET.
I wonder - does the NCAA have a "no rematch" policy for first round games like they do for the football playoffs (the real ones, not the CFP)? It's conceivable that both Alabama and Richmond could be among the last four in. Would they avoid matching us up in Dayton?
 
I seem to recall a first round game a few years ago that was a rematch from that same season but I might be wrong.
 
Steady at #43 after yesterday's games. ASU jumped past us but UNI dropped below us with their loss.
 
VT4700 said:
Big Ten with ten teams in the top 35? Give me a break. I call BS.
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BS on what? Are you implying that they are manipulating the rankings to be different from what the NET formula says the order should be?
They don't publish the numeric "rating" - just the ranking - so I suppose it's possible.
 
ChoppinBroccoli said:
BS on what? Are you implying that they are manipulating the rankings to be different from what the NET formula says the order should be?
They don't publish the numeric "rating" - just the ranking - so I suppose it's possible.
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The Big 10 is benefiting from basically having their entire conference having a good NET ranking. When a team like Purdue is 14-13 and has a NET of 32, that is just messed up. Big 10 teams can go on 3-4 game losing streaks and basically not lose anything in the NET.
 
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