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Fan Decision Time

Maybe the real thing to do is stop getting season tickets for Spiders, but go buy a couple at VCU. You'll get to see winning basketball in the city of Richmond. And you'll get to see the Spiders lose once a year. Or go get them at Randolph Macon--they're #1 at D3.
 
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See some are contemplating reducing donations and foregoing season tickets. You may take some solace, perhaps joy, in that UR's conference share of VCU's NCAA Tournament units will make up much of the slack in giving. Nothing like having your arch rival help fund your program, particularly when your own coach can't snag any tournament money.
 
See some are contemplating reducing donations and foregoing season tickets. You may take some solace, perhaps joy, in that UR's conference share of VCU's NCAA Tournament units will make up much of the slack in giving. Nothing like having your arch rival help fund your program, particularly when your own coach can't snag any tournament money.

At last check, NCAA units were worth about $1.5M. Since there was no tournament last year, that amount is probably lower now. In the A10, the team earning the unit gets 75% and the other 13 split the remaining 25%.

All told, every A10 unit we don't earn, gets us around $30k. Enough to fund an Associate Athletics Director of Whatever for 6 months. On the flipside, VCU gets $1.2M and a whole bunch of exposure.
 
True. Payable over 6 years I believe unless recently changed. So we are getting a share of multiple units earned by arch rival over several years.
 
True. Payable over 6 years I believe unless recently changed. So we are getting a share of multiple units earned by arch rival over several years.

The $1.5M total is payable over 5 years. So we get $6k a year for every game they play in the NCAA.

Doesn't feel like a particularly satisfying pittance to sit on our couch and watch our rival play.
 
Sort of talking past one another. My initial comment was somewhat sarcastic, smart ass to some. Nevertheless, find it ironic that our program is funded, admittedly to a small degree, by the continuing success of "those other folks" whose units we are sharing from the past several years.
 
The $1.5M total is payable over 5 years. So we get $6k a year for every game they play in the NCAA.

Doesn't feel like a particularly satisfying pittance to sit on our couch and watch our rival play.
Must be good enough for Hardt, Queally and Mooney.
 
can someone with more knowledge on the situation than me (that's a low bar) explain why Queally is talked about with distain here?

far as I can tell, he's donated a boat load of money. are people upset that they don't like how he wanted his money spent?
 
can someone with more knowledge on the situation than me (that's a low bar) explain why Queally is talked about with distain here?

far as I can tell, he's donated a boat load of money. are people upset that they don't like how he wanted his money spent?
Prepare for a lot of speculation and not a lot of facts.

The facts are: PQ has spent a lot of money on UR. CM has been retained during a time where his performance likely doesn’t merit retention.

Everything In between is likely to be some presumptive threading that one begat the other. I doubt few if any here know the truth of the relation between the two.
 
PQ is running the athletic department. He hired Hardt, he pays Mooney. Nothing happens unless he wants it to. Ergo, he's clearly satisfied with our current state. That's the problem.
 
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I’ve heard conflicting things on PQ. Have heard on here that he is the problem and is the only thing keeping Mooney at UR. Have heard in my family and other close friends that are UR fans that he is tired of Mooney and his mediocrity and apparently was ready to pay for his buyout 2 years ago as well as be a big part of hiring the new head coach. I don’t know what to believe but my guess is that he really did want Mooney out two years ago and was either convinced by Hardt to let him stay or by the board of trustees. After winning a bunch of games last year his opinion may have been swayed even more that there is no reason to fire Mooney. Again this is just speculation and I don’t think anyone on here knows the full truth.
 
can someone with more knowledge on the situation than me (that's a low bar) explain why Queally is talked about with distain here?

far as I can tell, he's donated a boat load of money. are people upset that they don't like how he wanted his money spent?
Isn't it obvious?

{Sarcasm} PQ stated that "He would donate $2 million less each year for each game over 18 that the Men's Basketball team won." {Sarcasm}
 
PQ is running the athletic department. He hired Hardt, he pays Mooney. Nothing happens unless he wants it to. Ergo, he's clearly satisfied with our current state. That's the problem.
Respectfully, none of those are facts. Unless you know something we don't know.

Btw, I understand the thrust of your point and expect it has a degree of truth, but as an honest response to spiderman's question, it would be very interesting to know how embedded PQ is in athletics administration.
 
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Respectfully, none of those are facts. Unless you know something we don't know.

Btw, I understand the thrust of your point and expect it has a degree of truth, but as an honest response to spiderman's question, it would be very interesting to know how embedded PQ is in athletics administration.

He hired Hardt that was a fact
 
He hired Hardt that was a fact
Actually, I'm reasonably certain that Dave Hale hired Hardt.

I'm guessing this is what s-man is getting at. Clearly PQ influenced the decision, maybe he even made the call, but none of us know for a fact, right?

It may be entirely appropriate to focus frustration towards PQ, he minimally has influence to correct the problem I suspect.
 
The size of his pocketbook gives him as much influence as he wants to exert. If he wanted Mooney gone, he could absolutely make it happen with the stroke of a pen.
that doesn't make anything his fault. seems he's done a heck of a lot more good for the school than 99% of us, starting with me.
 
Actually, I'm reasonably certain that Dave Hale hired Hardt.

I'm guessing this is what s-man is getting at. Clearly PQ influenced the decision, maybe he even made the call, but none of us know for a fact, right?

It may be entirely appropriate to focus frustration towards PQ, he minimally has influence to correct the problem I suspect.

He told Dave Hale who to hire. Hale was just the public face. Hale couldn't even manage the fake hiring committee. My response was not to hit on Queally btw. His influence is expected and that happens at most places. He's not just a big donor he's been on the BOT and now is Rector. we need folks like that. Just saying he was all over the Hardt hire.
 
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My understanding was that Queally would be making the AD hire with Mooney signing off on it. I obviously can't prove that's what happened, but it certainly makes sense.
 
that doesn't make anything his fault. seems he's done a heck of a lot more good for the school than 99% of us, starting with me.
Just because he gives a bunch of money doesn't correlate to "a lot more good" if and I say "if", his decision making is a liability. See basketball program. And I'll repeat "if" since there seems to be a lot of speculation as to what he does & doesn't influence.

Sorry but money isn't the only means to an end.
 
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My understanding was that Queally would be making the AD hire with Mooney signing off on it. I obviously can't prove that's what happened, but it certainly makes sense.
SF, you usually have good insights. If this is indeed true, it shows the absolute dysfunctional culture at UR athletics.

1. Having your biggest donor make the choice versus a committee reaching a decision (of course, we know that we really didn't do a full AD search, which greatly limits your pool of candidates to begin with).
2. And this is what I really can't understand. You had a coach sign off on hiring his boss. I mean, I blame a lot of this on Hardt but damn we cut him off at the knees during the hiring process.

I just don't understand how we treat Mooney like he is Coach K or Izzo. Guys who have decades of top level success and are the faces of those Universities might be given that power to have a lot of input in hiring their bosses. We gave that power to a guy who took us to two NCAA's in a decade.

You wanna know why Chris is loathe to change anything (coaches, systems, etc..) is both because he is not a very adaptable individual but also because we put him on pedestal where he thinks (and possibly is) untouchable.

My decision to not renew season tickets is sitting very soundly with each passing day.
 
No way to know how genuine it was or is but the way PQ hugged Mrs. Mooney and exchanged smiling pleasantries with CM the last time I saw him in the Robins Center one would certainly have the impression they and their families have a close relationship.
 
So you're saying - give the school enough money and you will give me a big voice in calling the shots? Go figure.......................has something to do with the school's leadership or less charitably with the lack of leadership................or put another way, we can be "bought" for the right amount...............
 
So you're saying - give the school enough money and you will give me a big voice in calling the shots? Go figure.......................has something to do with the school's leadership or less charitably with the lack of leadership................or put another way, we can be "bought" for the right amount...............
That's a million dollar plus question, and I think we all know the million dollar plus answer ;).
 
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If you don’t think money talks, you’ve never checked out other programs. For example, have you ever heard of Phil Knight or Kevin Plank and their respective schools?
 
If you don’t think money talks, you’ve never checked out other programs. For example, have you ever heard of Phil Knight or Kevin Plank and their respective schools?
Do we have a billionaire on the board who’s ready to go force the issue?
 
Iona is going to the NCAA tournament. It figures any negatives from hiring a sleazeball cheater like Pitino are offset by winning games and going to the NCAAs. Given the complete cash grab NCAA sports are, and the lack of meaningful consequences for cheating, I can't blame them.

I seriously never thought I would say this, but I wish we would have hired him last year instead of keeping the underachieving choirboy we have tolerated for the last decade. Every March we'll continue to watch, while others play, in the only tournament that matters unless something changes.

I surrender to you guys. You've won me over. Enough is enough.
 
Iona is going to the NCAA tournament. It figures any negatives from hiring a sleazeball cheater like Pitino are offset by winning games and going to the NCAAs. Given the complete cash grab NCAA sports are, and the lack of meaningful consequences for cheating, I can't blame them.

I seriously never thought I would say this, but I wish we would have hired him last year instead of keeping the underachieving choirboy we have tolerated for the last decade. Every March we'll continue to watch, while others play, in the only tournament that matters unless something changes.

I surrender to you guys. You've won me over. Enough is enough.

Welcome to the dark side.
 
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