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Clemson Game

This stinks, hope Dji heals up quickly and can get back on the court this season. As someone else mentioned , he can't catch a break.

Hope it’s at least his off hand given previous injury to wrist maybe sdad can confirm. He has been unlucky tho as they say your #1 ability is availability. Hurts depth as he was part of rotation the silver lining is it will tighten up rotation which I prefer. Or maybe we’ll see Noyes get some small but consistent time as 9th guy w potential to earn more. He’s always looked good to me offensively whenever he’s played so idk if just bad on D hard to determine.
 
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I watched the opening 13 minutes and turned the tv off. In those 13 minutes we did not even have one good offensive possession.

Our “program” is a program of losing for a bunch of losers
 
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Really badly recently, as in one game? Where they shot 3-21 from 3 (they are 39.6% from 3 for the year), and Loyola shot 12-24 from 3 (they are 33.5% from 3 this year). In a 31 game schedule, games like that will happen. It's one game. Their 5 games before that game, they beat Towson, Wake, Penn St., and Cal, and lost to Iowa by 3. I'm glad you think our program 10 games removed from losing Jacob, Grant, Nate, and Nick is at a place where we absolutely should beat a team like Clemson. If true, that would be pretty amazing.
LOSER TALK.

L. O. S. E. R.
 
Hope it’s at least his off hand given previous injury to wrist maybe sdad can confirm. He has been unlucky tho as they say your #1 ability is availability. Hurts depth as he was part of rotation the silver lining is it will tighten up rotation which I prefer. Or maybe we’ll see Noyes get some small but consistent time as 9th guy w potential to earn more. He’s always looked good to me offensively whenever he’s played so idk if just bad on D hard to determine.
It is his off hand. 🙏🏼✊🏼
 
Smart of Mooney to switch to a zone we never play for the last play of a half against a team that’s shooting 50% from three
This to me was the most disheartening thing of the night--I am a HUGE proponent of switching defenses in a game to keep teams off balance, and I'm very concerned this one possession is going to dissuade that for the next 5 years.
 
It is his off hand. 🙏🏼✊🏼
It's tough Dad. Always stinks to see anyone on your kids team injured but especially when it is your kid. My daughter played field hockey, lots of broken fingers and hand injuries, and when you watch the team play, you always think to yourself " My kid would have been able to make that play."

Get well soon Dji!
 
It's tough Dad. Always stinks to see anyone on your kids team injured but especially when it is your kid. My daughter played field hockey, lots of broken fingers and hand injuries, and when you watch the team play, you always think to yourself " My kid would have been able to make that play."

Get well soon Dji!
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I was unable to see or hear the game and it looks like it was probably better for my health that I couldn't. Sad to hear the news about Dji and sad to see us revert back to our pattern of slow starts.

I know Roche is not really a create your own shot kind of guy but if he's going to be on the floor starters minutes we have to figure out a way to get him more than three 3 point attempts.

For years now (even in our down years) we have mostly been a team that protects the ball well and also produces turnovers. We have been largely the opposite so far this year, and if you're losing the turnover battle you better be really good at some other facet of the game (such as 3 point shooting or crashing the boards) and we just haven't been.

And Nelson specifically - I knew there would be growing pains but our lead guard needs to be valuing the ball more. Averaging 3 assists to 2 turnovers per game for the season is just not getting it done at this point.
 
My take from the Clemson game is that we did not compete. We were outhustled and outworked the entire game, I didn't see any fight in our dog. Clemson came out, punched us in the mouth and we just rolled over and took the beating from them all night long.

P.S. This does not apply to Burton. He played hard, he competed, the rest of the guys had better be running some win sprints the next few days.
 
My take from the Clemson game is that we did not compete. We were outhustled and outworked the entire game, I didn't see any fight in our dog. Clemson came out, punched us in the mouth and we just rolled over and took the beating from them all night long.

P.S. This does not apply to Burton. He played hard, he competed, the rest of the guys had better be running some win sprints the next few days.
Correct. And good job putting it in terms Mooney would understand. That's twice this season we didn't even compete against teams that were basically identical to us in the NET ratings. Not sure what that says, but it's not good.
 
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Smart of Mooney to switch to a zone we never play for the last play of a half against a team that’s shooting 50% from three
Didn't see game and just reviewing the vid of that play.. Love the idea of switching defenses just so many things wrong there and like you stated not the best strategy against a good but that half great 3PT shooting team.

1) Announcer said it was 1-3-1. If it was terrible positioning. I wouldn't do 1-3-1 having two players covering the inside to stop a 3. 2-3 my zone?

2) The players out there? Nelson and Roche covering the corners? Taller Goose and Bigelow on court instead. So 2-3 having Goose and Rand out front with Burton and Bigelow protecting the corners.

3) Here's a big issue that Mooney's is to ultimately blame, but where's the stats keeper person on the bench? I see only 5 team fouls so far. Where's the foul to give which I think would have been easier to do with man-to-man. Then zone fine just approach it better.

We all know it in-game decision making isn't his best attribute. Unfortunately just have to live with it. I keep telling my self it's about the players and not the coach. And the players seem to love him. GO SPIDERS!
 

He’ll be back and ready to go right when we need him down the stretch. It was clear how much we missed him defensively last night.
I don't think he gets back in the rotation. Nothing against DJ - but I think he was pretty close being odd man out some nights anyways, and now missing this much time - I think you will see a very heavy 7 man rotation with Roche and Bigelow off the bench, and then Randolph will be the 8th man. Assuming Randolph can just hold that 8 spot and I don't even expect significant minutes or contributions from him (thinking less than 8-10 minutes most games) - I think the rotation will be set and it might be tough for DJ to get back in the mix. Its really just a mix of bad luck as his injury will carry him through through the bulk of A10 slate. If he did this in the first game and he could be back for 2nd half of season - I would have different opinion, but the timing and fact he was already battling with Randolph for that last spot I think in the rotation, I think this unfortunately leaves him out down the stretch.

But I think with Burton and Goose moving on after this year - the door opens for him next year to play solid and consistent minutes.
 
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I don't think he gets back in the rotation. Nothing against DJ - but I think he was pretty close being odd man out some nights anyways, and now missing this much time - I think you will see a very heavy 7 man rotation with Roche and Bigelow off the bench, and then Randolph will be the 8th man. Assuming Randolph can just hold that 8 spot and I don't even expect significant minutes or contributions from him (thinking less than 8-10 minutes most games) - I think the rotation will be set and it might be tough for DJ to get back in the mix. Its really just a mix of bad luck as his injury will carry him through through the bulk of A10 slate. If he did this in the first game and he could be back for 2nd half of season - I would have different opinion, but the timing and fact he was already battling with Randolph for that last spot I think in the rotation, I think this unfortunately leaves him out down the stretch.
If our top 7 continue playing sub .500 basketball then nobody (except Tyler) should be guaranteed the same role 6 weeks from now.
 
If our top 7 continue playing sub .500 basketball then nobody (except Tyler) should be guaranteed the same role 6 weeks from now.
Agree with that - but if that truly is the case, that in 6 weeks we are under .500 - we might be better off sitting guys like Grace, Goose and letting younger guys - include DJ play more minutes and just preparing for the future. You can't sit Burton because he is playing for his career - but at that point, might just pack in the season and start getting guys minutes for next year. Especially guys like DJ, Noyes, and Walz.
 
If our top 7 continue playing sub .500 basketball then nobody (except Tyler) should be guaranteed the same role 6 weeks from now.
True, and I don't think anyone is guaranteed anything. I know what happened last game, but other than maybe Noyes, who would we need to see more of? Walz has been getting time. Dji got plenty of looks. Maybe Crab, but do we really know how much he can play health wise? Dread?

Unless they don't give a good effort out there, I think we need to keep riding our main guys, even 6 weeks from now if we aren't where want to be.
 
True, and I don't think anyone is guaranteed anything. I know what happened last game, but other than maybe Noyes, who would we need to see more of? Walz has been getting time. Dji got plenty of looks. Maybe Crab, but do we really know how much he can play health wise? Dread?

Unless they don't give a good effort out there, I think we need to keep riding our main guys, even 6 weeks from now if we aren't where want to be.
I would like to see more of Noyes. I know it was garbage time but each time he has come in, he has made plays. That to me should earn him some non-garbage time minutes. I think he has earned the chance to show the coaching staff that he can be a meaningful contributor.
 
Agree with that - but if that truly is the case, that in 6 weeks we are under .500 - we might be better off sitting guys like Grace, Goose and letting younger guys - include DJ play more minutes and just preparing for the future. You can't sit Burton because he is playing for his career - but at that point, might just pack in the season and start getting guys minutes for next year. Especially guys like DJ, Noyes, and Walz.
But by doing this, you would probably have less time for Nelson, Bigelow, Randolph, Roche, and/or Quinn, right? Dji has played plenty and I think we are doing a good job with Walz right now. As I said last post, maybe we will see more Noyes, but not sure what else we would want to do. And, we will have to disagree about packing it in. I would never do that, especially when there is an A-10 tourney at the end of the year.
 
Agree with that - but if that truly is the case, that in 6 weeks we are under .500 - we might be better off sitting guys like Grace, Goose and letting younger guys - include DJ play more minutes and just preparing for the future. You can't sit Burton because he is playing for his career - but at that point, might just pack in the season and start getting guys minutes for next year. Especially guys like DJ, Noyes, and Walz.

Trap, it's been 18 years. When has Mooney ever sat senior starters so the younger guys can get some experience? You would think with another 5 year contract extension that he would at least consider it. But no.
 
All this and that about players’ playing time and improvement …how about we see some coaching improvement? Since the fire Mooney billboard didn’t work maybe the next one should say “Mr. Mooney, please retire.”
 
we might be better off sitting guys like Grace, Goose and letting younger guys play more minutes and just preparing for the future.
Been thinking the same for a few days but mainly with Goose. Both he and Grace got there chance to dance. Grace could see coming back needing big man help behind Quinn. Goose on the other hand when guys like Randolph, Roche, Dji, who could fill those minutes like you said for the future. I doubt anyone here thought Goose being missing piece to NCAA bid this season.

Only came to mind in other thread mentioning K Fore with Louisville playing 4-5 on offensive end which I'm in agreement. The numbers say It's no different with Goose here. I liked him coming in but haven't seen enough progress offensively. It's really worst considering respective time as Spiders as Fore was a bigger offensive threat.

Goose is a good defender but think that productivity for the team is overrated. I could be wrong. I'm surprised Roche seems to be at least an average defender and Randolph has that toughness/hustle factor to possibly start (won't happen) above Goose or at least more minutes looking of course for the future. Maybe turns out a plus come A10 tourney time.
 
I like Goose getting time behind Nelson at the point with Dji out.

Noyes is doing what's necessary in his cameos. let's get him some more meaningful non-garbage time minutes to see how he handles it.
I'd still like to get Walz more than 3 mpg too.
 
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Lol at “Dji’s had plenty of looks”…todays mission…criticize Dji even when he’s injured.
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Is there any scenario where we could get Noyes and Roche in the game together? Even if just for a few minutes against Coppin State. It just seems like having multiple shooters on the court might help us score more points since we need shooters in our offense.

Burton, Nelson, and Bigelow are all shooting under 32% from 3 and are attempting a combined 14.8 3’s per game.

Meanwhile from inside the arc they’re shooting:

Burton: 55.8%
Nelson: 47.3%
Bigelow: 44.2%

I know guys shoot better from 2, but they’re all better players when they’re shooting fewer 3’s and more 2’s.
 
Meanwhile from inside the arc they’re shooting:

Burton: 55.8%
Nelson: 47.3%
Bigelow: 44.2%

I know guys shoot better from 2, but they’re all better players when they’re shooting fewer 3’s and more 2’s.
anything below 50% from 2 is pretty bad.
Nelson's 47.3% from 2 is about the same as his eFG% from 3.
Bigelow is actually more effective in eFG% from 3 than 2.
you're right about Burton though.
 
Trap, it's been 18 years. When has Mooney ever sat senior starters so the younger guys can get some experience? You would think with another 5 year contract extension that he would at least consider it. But no.
Right. It hasn't happened and it isn't going to happen this year. I love these hypothetical arguments about what we should do. It's Mooney people, have you not been paying attention these past 18 years. He is a creature of habit to the extreme.
 
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Right. It hasn't happened and it isn't going to happen this year. I love these hypothetical arguments about what we should do. It's Mooney people, have you not been paying attention these past 18 years. He is a creature of habit to the extreme.
I never said it would happen and I know Mooney would never do it. Honestly - I don't see a lot of coaches that do it. But when you have a long term deal, and are planning for the future, it might not be a bad strategy once the season is lost. But then again - you always have the A10 tourney to pull out a miracle, just like last year.
 
anything below 50% from 2 is pretty bad.
Nelson's 47.3% from 2 is about the same as his eFG% from 3.
Bigelow is actually more effective in eFG% from 3 than 2.
you're right about Burton though.
Anything below 50% is definitely not "pretty bad" for a guard. KA shot 47.6% from 2 for his career. Ced 47.6, Brothers 43.4, Kendall 43.9, ShawnDre 48.1, Blake 47.7, Jacob a very impressive 54.9.

It is interesting looking at Blake and KA's stats. The talk on here is Blake shot too much, yet he averaged 14.7 and 13.8 shots a game his 2 years here, while KA averaged 9.4, 13,0, 14.4 and 13.4 here.

Blake PPG: 17.7 and 16.1
KA PPG: 10.7, 16.6, 17.8, 16.6

Blake from 2: 47.7
KA from 2: 47.6

Blake from 3: 36.1
KA from 3: 34.3

Blake rebounds/assists/steals/turnovers: 2.3, 2.1, 1.2, 1.8
KA rebounds/assists/steals/turnovers: 2.9, 2.9, 1.4, 1.9

Both were outstanding players. Both got after it. Both did not take plays off. Both could find their own shot. Both could score. Their stats are incredibly similar. KA gets a ton of praise on here and deserves it. Why Blake gets so much negative talk on here will continue to amaze me.
 
Depends on the position. I think if your a guard, your looking for 45% from 2 and at least 35% from 3.

If your a big guy, then with the proximity to the hoop - your looking for 50% or better from 2, but that is because they take more shots around the room.
 
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Anything below 50% is definitely not "pretty bad" for a guard. KA shot 47.6% from 2 for his career. Ced 47.6, Brothers 43.4, Kendall 43.9, ShawnDre 48.1, Blake 47.7, Jacob a very impressive 54.9.

It is interesting looking at Blake and KA's stats. The talk on here is Blake shot too much, yet he averaged 14.7 and 13.8 shots a game his 2 years here, while KA averaged 9.4, 13,0, 14.4 and 13.4 here.

Blake PPG: 17.7 and 16.1
KA PPG: 10.7, 16.6, 17.8, 16.6

Blake from 2: 47.7
KA from 2: 47.6

Blake from 3: 36.1
KA from 3: 34.3

Blake rebounds/assists/steals/turnovers: 2.3, 2.1, 1.2, 1.8
KA rebounds/assists/steals/turnovers: 2.9, 2.9, 1.4, 1.9

Both were outstanding players. Both got after it. Both did not take plays off. Both could find their own shot. Both could score. Their stats are incredibly similar. KA gets a ton of praise on here and deserves it. Why Blake gets so much negative talk on here will continue to amaze me.
Sweet sixteen is the difference.

I loved Blake and what he did for us, but that sweet sixteen appearance takes a guy from great to legendary for us.
 
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Here is a place I can agree with 47, I am on the team Blake side. Kid was a warrior, only got to see him play in person once, he was smaller than I thought, but his defense and shot making had big impact on the game. Loved his mentality.
Blake was great. He never became a Mooney system guy either, which I also respected.
 
Depends on the position. I think if your a guard, your looking for 45% from 2 and at least 35% from 3.

If your a big guy, then with the proximity to the hoop - your looking for 50% or better from 2, but that is because they take more shots around the room.
50% is an arbitrary number I use as an effective eFG%.
which is 50% from 2 or 33.33% from 3.
doesn't matter the position. if you aren't shooting 50% from 2, get it to someone who will. if you aren't shooting over 33.33% from 3, get it to someone who will.

I'm not going to be happy with 45% from 2 just because a player is smaller.
 
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50% is an arbitrary number I use as an effective eFG%.
which is 50% from 2 or 33.33% from 3.
doesn't matter the position. if you aren't shooting 50% from 2, get it to someone who will. if you aren't shooting over 33.33% from 3, get it to someone who will.

I'm not going to be happy with 45% from 2 just because a player is smaller.
50% isn’t as arbitrary as you think, it is the D1 average eFG%. Average 3FG% is 33.6, average 2FG% is 49.9.
 
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