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No. Iowa fell to a 14 point deficit to Illinois State. Coming back. A Illinois state win would take another bid opportunity. I assume Wichita State and No. Iowa are in regardless.

Any other spots at risk?
 
Originally posted by I-M-UR:
No. Iowa fell to a 14 point deficit to Illinois State. Coming back. A Illinois state win would take another bid opportunity. I assume Wichita State and No. Iowa are in regardless.

Any other spots at risk?
And...now they lead...thank goodness!
 
Is this bracket the closest one to having us in already? And I'd be ok with RPI getting that draw...

USA Today
 
Basically every site has us Next 4 Out. We will literally sit right on the edge if we win Friday and Saturday. Should be fun
 
Great comeback by No. Iowa.

Didn't know Doug Collins played for Illinois State.
 
Originally posted by SpiderFan26:
Basically every site has us Next 4 Out. We will literally sit right on the edge if we win Friday and Saturday. Should be fun
Yes, but USA Today only has 3.
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So here is my list of competition.

Name Win/losses/RPI

Temple 22-9, 32
ODU 24-6, 37
Boise ST 24-7, 40
BYU 24-8, 42
Texas 19-12, 43
Tulsa 21-8, 47
LSU 22-9, 48
Miss 20-11, 51
UCLA 19-12, 52
TX A&M 20-10, 54
Purdue 20-11, 56
Indiana 19-12, 57
Stanford 18-12, 58
Miami 20-11, 62

competing for about 8 spots...

A lot can change with conference tournaments.


This post was edited on 3/8 4:37 PM by urmite
 
Believe Tulsa is the one who lost to a Div II team at home. Programs shouldn't be allowed to schedule these cupcakes, but if you lose should be a HUGE hit on RPI and resume. Hopefully, it's been talked about enough in media that Committee doesn't overlook it if they're comparing this school vs another.
 
Originally posted by MidloTrader:
Believe Tulsa is the one who lost to a Div II team at home. Programs shouldn't be allowed to schedule these cupcakes, but if you lose should be a HUGE hit on RPI and resume. Hopefully, it's been talked about enough in media that Committee doesn't overlook it if they're comparing this school vs another.
RPI by definition ignores all Non Division I games, win or lose. Not so sure the committee does.

But SE Ok St in December?
This post was edited on 3/8 5:23 PM by urmite

SEOS
 
None of those teams - - including us - - deserves a bid. That's just an awful bubble.
 
Maybe we do... maybe we don't - but stranger things have happened. Let's hope we can put the clamps defensively on our opponents in the first two games next weekend - keep it close and win at the end. At least that gives us a chance. Of course, I would definitely go out for pizza if we won all three.
 
Who cares about deserving. Doesn't equate with a lot of the teams that get into March Madness. Plenty of AQs would get blown out game after game if they played in even a top 20 conference. So I say just go to Brooklyn, leave it all on the court, and then we'll see who's deserving.
 
Originally posted by PhillySpider:
None of those teams - - including us - - deserves a bid. That's just an awful bubble.
The best teams deserve at large bids. If we are one of the best teams we deserve a bid, simple as that.
 
NIT is a lock.Need to win a-10 tourney to get in BIG Dance.Otherwise,small dance and high enough seed to get at least 1-2 home games.
 
How many of those bubble teams would be on an eight game winning streak going into the conference finals? To me that says the most and is a sign of a hot team that could do damage in the tourney I hope the committee considers it if we get that far
 
Originally posted by sdspider:
How many of those bubble teams would be on an eight game winning streak going into the conference finals
Mostly all of them except ODU and 2-3 others if they played in the A10.
 
Originally posted by urmite:
I like how we have moved up from .38% to .73% to this, but...

Dayton?
Up to 4.93% now apparently.

Interesting parabolic from us at sub 5%, to Dayton at 20% to ODU at 80%.

I'd love to know how they determine the point at which their 108 of 110 predictions is made. Is that one minute before the selection show?
 
Team Ranking has it

Bid Auto Bid
Davidson 95% 27%
Dayton 72 18
VCU 92 21
Spiders 22 8
 
If you compare our resume to any number of other bubble teams we compare very well. We have typically a better record and more wins against the Top 50 and Top 100 than most other bubble teams.

But we have 3 losses to sub 100 teams (LaSalle is now at 102) and 1 loss to a sub 200 team (damn you George Mason). Those losses are going to be what keeps us out of an at large bid.

Even if we beat VCU and Davidson in a run to the A-10 finals and lose to say Dayton, I think we still are on the outside looking in.
 
Originally posted by 97spiderfan:

If you compare our resume to any number of other bubble teams we compare very well. We have typically a better record and more wins against the Top 50 and Top 100 than most other bubble teams.

But we have 3 losses to sub 100 teams (LaSalle is now at 102) and 1 loss to a sub 200 team (damn you George Mason). Those losses are going to be what keeps us out of an at large bid.

Even if we beat VCU and Davidson in a run to the A-10 finals and lose to say Dayton, I think we still are on the outside looking in.
I think they can creep under 100 with a win over Umass. But agree, our profile is tough with the loss to GMU. The other two losses are probably manageable...
 
I have seen some mention of looking at sub 150 losses instead of sub 100 losses as bad losses. If that is the case GMU is our only bad loss. I don't know which cutoff the committee uses though.

Also, our worst loss of the season came when we didn't have ANO...
 
Originally posted by fan2011:
I have seen some mention of looking at sub 150 losses instead of sub 100 losses as bad losses. If that is the case GMU is our only bad loss. I don't know which cutoff the committee uses though.

Also, our worst loss of the season came when we didn't have ANO...
There are very few bubble teams who don't have blemishes, hence why they are on the bubble. I do think that they would forgive a blemish or two on the 100+ line. The 200+ line is tough to ignore, but it might get mitigated with enough good wins.

Sadly, one of the easier criteria to eliminate on is something like that.
 
We do have the win against GMU at home so hopefully that mitigates the road loss a bit.
 
Originally posted by ur2K:
We do have the win against GMU at home so hopefully that mitigates the road loss a bit.
It doesn't work that way. That GMU loss is like a big giant anchor around our necks.
 
Will the committee take into consideration the voodoo magic spray that Paul Hewitt releases in the Patriot Center whenever we play there? That cost us the game, IMO.
 
Originally posted by 97spiderfan:
Originally posted by ur2K:
We do have the win against GMU at home so hopefully that mitigates the road loss a bit.
It doesn't work that way. That GMU loss is like a big giant anchor around our necks.
You're not supposed to tell the truth. That was placed there for when the committee Googles UR vs George Mason 2015 to plant a seed of doubt.
 
Oops! VCU now down to a #10 seed according to Joe Lunardi. Davidson is a #8 seed; Dayton is a #9 seed. Mmmmm... VCU a lock? Mmmmmm......

This post was edited on 3/9 4:45 PM by Ulla1
 
Originally posted by 97spiderfan:

Even if we beat VCU and Davidson in a run to the A-10 finals and lose to say Dayton, I think we still are on the outside looking in.
Like I do often here, agreeing with 97. No matter what the numbers turn out, the committee will look at UR's non-name recognition of a OOC schedule and that will probably sway the committee's opinion that leaving the Spiders out is the right call. If that ends up being the case, no doubt we should see a much improved OOC schedule for next year that includes more than 1 major 5/6 team. Can't count on the fact this year's "weak on paper OOC scheduled" teams overachieving will happen again next year.

Of course just playing some 5/6 teams hasn't helped RI. Was trying to figure out why Rhody is behind UR on the bubble list? They did play 4 games (1-3 record) against major 5/6 teams, finished ahead of us in conference and also won at Robins. Saw they played a school named Pace and only playing 29 probably didn't help.
 
Originally posted by SouthJerseySpiderFan:

Originally posted by 97spiderfan:

Even if we beat VCU and Davidson in a run to the A-10 finals and lose to say Dayton, I think we still are on the outside looking in.
Like I do often here, agreeing with 97. No matter what the numbers turn out, the committee will look at UR's non-name recognition of a OOC schedule and that will probably sway the committee's opinion that leaving the Spiders out is the right call. If that ends up being the case, no doubt we should see a much improved OOC schedule for next year that includes more than 1 major 5/6 team. Can't count on the fact this year's "weak on paper OOC scheduled" teams overachieving will happen again next year.

Of course just playing some 5/6 teams hasn't helped RI. Was trying to figure out why Rhody is behind UR on the bubble list? They did play 4 games (1-3 record) against major 5/6 teams, finished ahead of us in conference and also won at Robins. Saw they played a school named Pace and only playing 29 probably didn't help.
Rhode Island is behind us because they have no top 50 wins (0-5). We are by far their best win, and if one of their players didn't break ANO's eye bone in the beginning of the game they likely wouldn't even have that win. They only went 3-6 against the top 100.

We have 3 top 50 wins (3-5) and went 7-8 against the top 100.



This post was edited on 3/9 5:03 PM by fan2011
 
Rhode Island is 0-5 against the Top 50 RPI. We are there best win of the season, there next best win is UMass. That and 12 sub 200 games.
 
Thanks guys. Don't pay enough attention to the 1-50/1-100 stats as I should. Sites slightly differ I see. What is the official site that the committee would use for the process of determining the field?
 
VCU is considered a lock because their strong SOS gives them a strong RPI. but their SOS is inflated by playing the #3 and #6 teams ... despite getting beaten handily by both.
it will be interesting if they lose early. good resume, but not a lock. there may not be better alternatives to take over them, though. I'm ok with them invited if we win the A10 and get invited too. if we get knocked out, I hope they are as well.
 
Originally posted by MrTbone:

Originally posted by 97spiderfan:

If you compare our resume to any number of other bubble teams we compare very well. We have typically a better record and more wins against the Top 50 and Top 100 than most other bubble teams.

But we have 3 losses to sub 100 teams (LaSalle is now at 102) and 1 loss to a sub 200 team (damn you George Mason). Those losses are going to be what keeps us out of an at large bid.

Even if we beat VCU and Davidson in a run to the A-10 finals and lose to say Dayton, I think we still are on the outside looking in.
I think they can creep under 100 with a win over Umass. But agree, our profile is tough with the loss to GMU. The other two losses are probably manageable...
With a win over UMass and a loss to Davidson, La Salle is projected at 99.1
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Need BYU and Gonzaga to win tonight. Both pretty much guaranteed NCAA already Portland and/or Pepperdine winning the finals takes a spot.
 
BYU is still very borderline, I'm pulling for them to lose and for Zags to take care of business.
 
Northeastern routing W&M and about to punch a ticket.

They should be solidly top 100 now, were 95 coming into tonight. W&M was 88 coming in, hope they hold up in top 100.
 
Originally posted by MrTbone:
BYU is still very borderline, I'm pulling for them to lose and for Zags to take care of business.
Good point, a number of polls have them in but it's a low seed. Although it would be hard to believe WCC won't get but one bid. I guess the Zags win out is the better option. I think the A10 and WCC could easily take a bid away from the other.
 
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