our resume is flimsy at best, have to keep winning and hope that others falter to even be holding our breath next sunday but after the way we started, super to even be discussing this right now.
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O'Connor just retweeted something that said very slight chance of at-large if we get to finals, probably have to win tournament. From Lunardi
But yeah, if we don't make it over Iona or Murray State that will be questionable.
But yeah, if we don't make it over Iona or Murray State that will be questionable.
I guess these guys all know more than we do, but Davidson is really getting screwed by these projections. Lots of people still have them on the bubble. What?? They went 14-4 in a top-7 league, even though statistically it was a down year in the A-10. End of story, they are in. I don't care if they played Freeman HS 10 times in their OOC.
At the same time, how bad can the league be when its 5th place team is allegedly a "lock"? You can't have it both ways.
At the same time, how bad can the league be when its 5th place team is allegedly a "lock"? You can't have it both ways.
Davidson and Dayton should absolutely be locks. The fact that Davdison is even in the discussion is ludacris. VDU will get in because of all their hype despite doing nothing the last two months and blowouts by UVA and Villanova propping up their RPI. Unless we win the A10 we don't have much a reason to complain, although extra wins over Davidson and VDU will make it harder to leave us out. Can't lose to Mason or JMU anywhere, much less lose at home to Wake or NE and expect to have your name called. Let's just win the whole thing so we don't have to worry about it.
Re-posted from another perhaps less appropriate thread.
VCU a lock? Maybe not. I've been thinking this for a while. Here is a quote from Eamonn Brennan (6 hours ago) of ESPN:
"Our VCU-related anxiety is more than slight. We've had Shaka Smart's team locked in for weeks, confident the Rams had done enough prior to Briante Weber's injury to weather any declines after the fact. Suddenly, we're not so sure."
He sees possibilities for the Spiders, but they have more work to do.
This post was edited on 3/11 7:44 AM by Ulla1
ESPN Bubble Watch
VCU a lock? Maybe not. I've been thinking this for a while. Here is a quote from Eamonn Brennan (6 hours ago) of ESPN:
"Our VCU-related anxiety is more than slight. We've had Shaka Smart's team locked in for weeks, confident the Rams had done enough prior to Briante Weber's injury to weather any declines after the fact. Suddenly, we're not so sure."
He sees possibilities for the Spiders, but they have more work to do.
This post was edited on 3/11 7:44 AM by Ulla1
ESPN Bubble Watch
Lets remember too - as much as the committee says it doesn't take into account TV ratings, history, etc. - they are human beings and I think its hard not too. Its VCU, its SHAKA, its HAVOC. They are going to make the tourney. It makes for great TV especially if they go on another run. Which is why I could see them being dropped to the first four play-in games if they lose their first game of the A10 tourney. Then the committee can say they ALMOST left them out, but it leaves great headlines of VCU back in the play-in games where they last made the final four.
But all of this doesn't matter if they win that first game - they will probably be a 10 or 9, seed. But even worse, watch VCU go on a run and make the A10 finals - I see them jumping back up to a 5-7 seed pretty quick.
Our best chance of making the tourney - win the A10. Our bubble is very small and doesn't have a lot of air at this time. Our NIT chances - they are much much better, as I think I only counted 4 upsets of league champs in lower level tourney's so far, and that includes Murray St - who may or may not get into the NCAA tourney.
But all of this doesn't matter if they win that first game - they will probably be a 10 or 9, seed. But even worse, watch VCU go on a run and make the A10 finals - I see them jumping back up to a 5-7 seed pretty quick.
Our best chance of making the tourney - win the A10. Our bubble is very small and doesn't have a lot of air at this time. Our NIT chances - they are much much better, as I think I only counted 4 upsets of league champs in lower level tourney's so far, and that includes Murray St - who may or may not get into the NCAA tourney.
Here's a question: If we beat VCU for the third time (two times away from home) and make it to the finals of the tourney, is the committee going to keep VCU in at the expense of us? Is there a precedent for one "bubble team" (and I'm calling VCU a bubble team for purposes of this question) getting in over another when they've lost to that team three times? This assumes that only one of us gets in.
Love is blind and the sports media's love affair with Shaka is blind to any faults or shortcomings. He is my least favorite coach because of his "cry-baby" and other antics but I have to hand it to him he knows how to "snow" the media.............................
Hofstra is the example I was thinking of too, and I believe they were 3-0 against Mason in 2006, including (I think) knocking them out of the CAA tourney that year. I don't know how the rest of their schedule lined up.
As it relates to us and VCU, my thinking all along is that if we sweep finish ahead of them in the league (which we did), sweep them in three straight games and eliminate them from the league tournament, then at some point when you compare us with them head to head, you have to either take both of us or just us. I realize their OOC schedule was ranked higher than ours, but their best win was a double OT game against Northern Iowa at home. We went TO Northern Iowa and only lost by 5. Give us that game at home and we probably win it too.
As it relates to us and VCU, my thinking all along is that if we sweep finish ahead of them in the league (which we did), sweep them in three straight games and eliminate them from the league tournament, then at some point when you compare us with them head to head, you have to either take both of us or just us. I realize their OOC schedule was ranked higher than ours, but their best win was a double OT game against Northern Iowa at home. We went TO Northern Iowa and only lost by 5. Give us that game at home and we probably win it too.
In addition to their Northern Iowa win, VCU also has OOC wins over Oregon and at Cincinnati. Both of those teams are locks. I would love to beat VCU a 3rd time and in the process steal there bid, I just don't think that is how it going to play out.
I actually agree, the more I think about it. It's probably more likely that the committee would use our sweep to keep both of us out.
Shaka is a one-trick pony: HAVOC. When your guards break the press, and they are in a half-court game, then VCU is still good but are not world beaters. And Mike Rhoades (now head coach at Rice) is sorely missed down on Broad St. - Shaka Khan's in-game decisions are a reflection of that fact.
But do the boys at ESPN and CBS know it? Nope. They are still lining up to have sex with Shaka at every opportunity. And what will happen if the Lambs lose to us this week and then are sent home in the first round of the NCAA or NIT Tourney? The boys at ESPN and CBS will be lining up to have sex with Shaka during the first preseason show of the year next season. It really does make me want to barf.
But right now, let's just cheer on the Spiders for a third win over VCU. One game at a time...
But do the boys at ESPN and CBS know it? Nope. They are still lining up to have sex with Shaka at every opportunity. And what will happen if the Lambs lose to us this week and then are sent home in the first round of the NCAA or NIT Tourney? The boys at ESPN and CBS will be lining up to have sex with Shaka during the first preseason show of the year next season. It really does make me want to barf.
But right now, let's just cheer on the Spiders for a third win over VCU. One game at a time...
Stork 3 - agree the fawning over Shaka is limitless. Main thing is for us to beat them or Fordham or Mason on Friday. If we miss the dance it would be a whole lot easier to take if RPI or University of Havoc or whatever they are called by friend or foe misses the dance as well it would slightly ease the pain of us missing. But no matter what happens to them the RTD among others will still be fawning..................
Am guilty of the obsession part but not of the complaining part - will admit I still have a hard time believing that RPI plays Division 1 basketball - living in the past - liked the old days better.... is there any way budget cuts could force them to drop D1 basketball - not a chance I am sure! But maybe MCV needs more funding..........................Originally posted by SFspidur:
Those who have managed to push this thread to a second page complaining about an obsession with VCU need to look in the mirror.
Speaking of the old days, a funny story about VCU's inferiority complex vs. UR. I played freshman basketball during the 1969-1970 season. We were scheduled to play a scrimmage against VCU. We all got dressed and were warming up to play against VCU's varsity team and when Chuck Noe, VCU's coach at the time, found out that the scrimmage was against the UR freshman team and not the varsity, he put his team back on the bus and left the campus. That UR freshman team was good enough to play even with the varsity team and we actually beat our varsity in a few scrimmages. I am sorry that the scrimmage did not occur as I think we would have given them all they wanted.
Maybe after tomorrow we will be talking about Mason or Fordham or whoever our next opponent may be....................who knows?
Cup, remember your frosh team and the hewitt, bushkar one and both were very good with some eye-opening wins. although i like freshmen basketball players being eligible right away, it was fun watching prelim games with our freshmen and projecting out how good they were going be down the road. seems they would have to go beyond the 13 scholies in order to play a frosh schedule if that is what happens.
Jerry Palm doesn't even have us as "Probably In", "On THe Fence", or "Probably Out". Firmly on the out side of the bubble. Lunardi doesn't even have us in the "Next Four OUt" anymore. We've fallen off the face. Too many upsets causing the bubble to get bigger squeezing us out.
This post was edited on 3/11 8:33 PM by wr70beh
This post was edited on 3/11 8:33 PM by wr70beh
They haven't been on a long run since their lightning in a bottle season. This, despite being in the tournament every year. They upset Wichita St. in 2012, only to get beat by Indiana in the 2nd round. Got matched up with a weak MAC team in 2013 in the 1st round, only to have Beilein chew them up and spit them out in the 2nd round. Then, as the ultimate showing of how weak they are, they got beat by SF Austin in the 1st round last year. Havoc is jumping the shark as we speak.
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