An embarrassing 8-22 season

[spiderstudent17]

Mooney won’t be let go by the university this year. The only other option is him retiring, which we would likely know by now or next week, but that isn’t happening either. That most recent JOC article of Mooney revisiting strategy suggests he’s coming back. His job is likely safe next year too unless we have another season of 10 or fewer wins then maybe more pressure in NIL era. But most likely he will do good enough where his job is safe for another 2 years. If we stink 3 years in a row after the 2027-2028 season would be the “we’re mutually parting ways” from our department.

 

[Eight Legger]

Are there any scandals going on in the basketball program???

 

[spider23]

Are there any scandals going on in the basketball program???

Lets hope so.

 

[whampas]

Are there any scandals going on in the basketball program???

Theft of millions of $$.

 

[GKiller]

Now they’re not even waiting until Sunday.

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Wake declines NIT.

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[wr70beh]

Theft of millions of $$.

Steal of the century.

 

[wr70beh]

Wake declines NIT.

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With the professional like stature of college hoops now I can see the NIT being just a mid-major tournament like the CBI became. The power 5 teams are NCAA or bust at this point.

 

[MrTbone]

Still, it’s a bit of a slap to the fans who might enjoy seeing their team continue to play.

But it increasingly feels like it’s less about the fans than it is for other stakeholders.

 

[72Spider]

Wake declines NIT.

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still waiting to see what announcement about post season play UR puts out

 

[MrTbone]

still waiting to see what announcement about post season play UR puts out

“Hey everybody, we weren’t invited to any postseason play so we’re gonna take a break and work on our fluidity.”

Insert spelling/grammatical error where appropriate.

 

[urmite]

Still, it’s a bit of a slap to the fans who might enjoy seeing their team continue to play.

But it increasingly feels like it’s less about the fans than it is for other stakeholders.

Is the Vegas NIL tournament an alternative to the NIT? If so P5 may opt for that…

 

[SFspidur]

Only a handful of P5s in the NIT field, so yeah, they're heading for the Crown NIL payday or sitting out entirely.

 

[spider23]

Only a handful of P5s in the NIT field, so yeah, they're heading for the Crown NIL payday or sitting out entirely.

Yep makes sense to get any and all NIL dollars u can. Extra couple hundred grand could help buy that player that could make your season.

 

[GKiller]

NOW - it has changed and as usual - is skewed to the P5 programs. For this year - two top Non NCAA teams from the ACC and SEC get auto bids. Then the top remaining team from the next 12 conferences (rated by KenPon). So I don't see P5 teams backing out this year because they have agreed to this setup. But you could see players opt out for their teams. If your a kid looking to transfer - why play in the NIT, get in the portal - get the process started and move on.

There’s 4 p5 teams total in the entire NIT. Opt outs all over. There’s 6 A10 teams. Lol.

How is this skewed to the P5?

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[urmite]

There’s 4 p5 teams total in the entire NIT. Opt outs all over. There’s 6 A10 teams. Lol.

How is this skewed to the P5?

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Maybe the NIT made the changes to TRY to skew it to the P5…

 

[GKiller]

Only a handful of P5s in the NIT field, so yeah, they're heading for the Crown NIL payday or sitting out entirely.

Yep makes sense to get any and all NIL dollars u can. Extra couple hundred grand could help buy that player that could make your season.

Idk who is going to play in that thing either. It starts in 2 weeks. Can’t see any way they get a 16 team field. most have said not playing or in NIT. There was supposedly some NIL $ just for final 4 teams. May have to throw a lot more $ out there or they’ll have 4 teams total. Will be interesting. Or they double up on teams remember there r no rules anymore. UC Riverside is in both the CBI and NIT.

 

[GKiller]

Maybe the NIT made the changes to TRY to skew it to the P5…

Explained/posted already. As they should they r in survival mode. Doing whatever they can due to all opt outs and this other Crown tourney while having some selection criteria. Might as well remove all criteria & say back to picking who we want.

The point is none of it is preventing opt outs and SpiderTrap continues to die on that hill 2 years running.

 

[SFspidur]

There seem to be a good number of P5 teams that appear to have been higher in the NIT pecking order than those that did get into the bracket yet who haven’t stated they’re declining all postseason opportunities, so I think there’s still a good chance they fill things out pretty well.

 

[spider23]

It does seem with the portal and NIL tat there could be a monumental shift in rosters within two weeks. Could see scenarios where a team agrees to play and only four guys show up for the plane.

 

[GKiller]

There seem to be a good number of P5 teams that appear to have been higher in the NIT pecking order than those that did get into the bracket yet who haven’t stated they’re declining all postseason opportunities, so I think there’s still a good chance they fill things out pretty well.

Who is all this inventory. Some teams have stated no to all postseason. I don’t see teams with coaching changes playing. Portal will be in full swing. Nobody is going to buy tickets. When is announcement of teams better be soon if u want to sell a few. They’ll be handing them out on the Strip like they do the “clubs”.

It was supposed to have started last year. I realize backed by Fox. Maybe they throw $$ at teams to incentivize to save some face. Idk less predictable than NIT since it’s new.

But let’s make a bet. 16 teams. GK no. SF yes. Loser watches Wicked around a fire.

 

[RichmondNative]

There’s 4 p5 teams total in the entire NIT. Opt outs all over. There’s 6 A10 teams. Lol.

How is this skewed to the P5?

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Look the NCAAs don’t need to expand, they just have to boot out the autobids from the non-power leagues. It is going to happen. The lower leagues get their own tournament. Maybe one day there will be the English soccer model with relegation/promotion.

 

[SFspidur]

But let’s make a bet. 16 teams. GK no. SF yes. Loser watches Wicked around a fire.

Too bad I missed this before the bracket started coming out...they indeed have 16. Mostly P5, but a few others sprinkled in. GW gets a bid.

 

[SpiderTrap]

I can see the new Las Vegas tourney - Crown, which is only 16 teams but will pay 500K to winning team getting a lot of player support to bypass NIT and play there instead. I mean - your a college kid, you have an opportunity to play a home game, or play in a tourney in Vegas and win 500K to split with your teammates - the college kids are picking the Crown tourney, and if your trying to keep your kids happy so they don't transfer - your probably listening to them.

 

[8legs1dream]

GW is going to get worked by Boise.

 

[GKiller]

Too bad I missed this before the bracket started coming out...they indeed have 16. Mostly P5, but a few others sprinkled in. GW gets a bid.

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where do i find Wicked...can I get it on Netflix?

 

[urfan1]

The p4/5 want it all for themselves.

 

[SFspidur]

where do i find Wicked...can I get it on Netflix?

If you can wait a few days, it's coming to Peacock. Otherwise you can rent through the usual suspects...Apple, Prime, YouTube. Buckle up, it's a long one that you'll be wishing would just end already. Kinda like Spider games.

 

[8legs1dream]

The p4/5 want it all for themselves.

Eventually they will find a way to prune those pesky low level conference autobids from THEIR TOURNAMENT

 

[GKiller]

Good for the Crown I did not see them pulling off 16 teams. A team like Villanova who fired coach is unexpected. Then they went for the CBI of P5 teams with bad records like Butler Depaul Arizona St Colorado. But u need P5 teams to make work. and because u had lot of opt outs still Indiana WVU OSU Northwestern Pitt Wake Kansas St Rutgers Penn St Iowa the bottom 2 sec schools. The NIT is not skewed to P5 at all but to the mids like A10 now. It may be completely dead b4 long.

It will be interesting what rosters some of these teams bring to Crown. Yeah $ can be motivator but not a lot there if u believe this guy. Might be more driven by keeping Fox happy. This guy is NIT bracketologist fwiw too.

 

[SFspidur]

Apparently $500k total across semifinalists/finalists/champion, if you believe GW.

Men's Basketball Accepts Invitation to Inaugural College Basketball Crown | GW Today | The George Washington University

GW Revs will play Boise State on March 31 in Las Vegas.

gwtoday.gwu.edu

 

[97spiderfan]

I think this crown tournament just killed the NIT. The crown is modeled off of the NBA in-season tournament where teams that wins get paid.

I wonder what the $$$ figure would have to be for a team to decline an NCAA bid to go play for in this tournament? And don't say that would never happen because a high enough figure would do it. I would kind of love for that to happen.

 

[SFspidur]

I think this crown tournament just killed the NIT. The crown is modeled off of the NBA in-season tournament where teams that wins get paid.

I wonder what the $$$ figure would have to be for a team to decline an NCAA bid to go play for in this tournament? And don't say that would never happen because a high enough figure would do it. I would kind of love for that to happen.

In theory, that number would have to be astronomical because the school would be risking its NCAA membership as there's a rule you're not allowed to decline an NCAA bid to play in a different tournament. It's not just that the money for the alternative tournament would have to be worth more than potential NCAA units, but you'd be jeopardizing your entire athletic program's membership in NCAA.

(Now, exactly what the NCAA would do if someone tried this is an interesting question, but I don't really expect a reality where this could happen...too much money on the NCAA tournament side to make it a worthwhile risk.)

 

[urmite]

I think this crown tournament just killed the NIT. The crown is modeled off of the NBA in-season tournament where teams that wins get paid.

I wonder what the $$$ figure would have to be for a team to decline an NCAA bid to go play for in this tournament? And don't say that would never happen because a high enough figure would do it. I would kind of love for that to happen.

It would take a lot for the Crown to payout more for first round losers than the NCAA does over 6 years…

 

[Ferrum Spider]

At 22 losses, it triggered me to recall the worst season I remember - I believe it was a 22 loss season under Coach Carl Slone. Michael Perry was a freshman on that team. In addition to the 22 losses , we beat 2 D1 schools (ODU and ECU). Similar to this year we beat Randolph Macon and Atlantic Christian. In the big picture our results post 77-78 have overall improved . But this year’s result did resemble the 4-22 year.

Michael Perry ain't coming to save this lot unfortunately.

 

[GKiller]

Apparently $500k total across semifinalists/finalists/champion, if you believe GW.

Men's Basketball Accepts Invitation to Inaugural College Basketball Crown | GW Today | The George Washington University

GW Revs will play Boise State on March 31 in Las Vegas.

gwtoday.gwu.edu

So not much. But it's something. and trip to Vegas. Probably really need to win it or get to finals with how many players u r dividing between, unless they're voting on shares kinda like MLB playoffs.

 

[SFspidur]

Compare that to the NIT, which pays ~$5k per game played. Importantly though, that goes to the school, not NIL to the players.

I believe even the CBI launched a small NIL payout pool a couple of years ago.

 

[8legs1dream]

In theory, that number would have to be astronomical because the school would be risking its NCAA membership as there's a rule you're not allowed to decline an NCAA bid to play in a different tournament. It's not just that the money for the alternative tournament would have to be worth more than potential NCAA units, but you'd be jeopardizing your entire athletic program's membership in NCAA.

(Now, exactly what the NCAA would do if someone tried this is an interesting question, but I don't really expect a reality where this could happen...too much money on the NCAA tournament side to make it a worthwhile risk.)

except the NCAA has no teeth these days

 

[wr70beh]

Eventually they will find a way to prune those pesky low level conference autobids from THEIR TOURNAMENT

They’ll probably say if your conference finished 16-32 in ratings the previous year you’ll have to play a 16 team tournament the next year to find out which one of the bottom feeders gets the autobid. That means they’ll have to finish their season a week or two early and work it out amongst themselves.