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The ACC and Atlantic 10 will take part in a doubleheader at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., from 2015-2017, multiple sources told CBSSports.com on Thursday.

Saw this announced on CBS Sports and the headline was "ACC - A10 Challange to Begin In December of 2015" . If true this is a big step for our league. Teams have not been selected.
 
Definitely a done deal now and for the future. Hoping we are one of the teams
 
Given our pathetic fan support at Barclay's, I'd think we are the longest of longshots to be included.
 
Mo, fan attendance is not a priority as broadcasts are aimed at TV audiences. That is why decreasing the number of seats in the Robins Center was such a good idea. Our luxury suites, large video displays and state of the art LED lighting are awesome. We should be a primary target for any televised game. Roll Spide!
 
Of course it's a priority. Otherwise the games would be played in a bingo hall.

Let's bet one of our ranches on this. I'll take Dayton, RPI, Umass, Rhody, Fordham and either Davidson or GW as the 6 A10 representatives. We're probably behind St Joe and Lasalle in line just due to geography too.
 
Mo, sorry to disagree, but listen to the testimonies of the Arizona State and Miami coaches, "... The crowd was just like Cameron ..."
 
The games are all being played in Barclay's Center. A doubleheader between A-10/ACC teams for next 3 years.
 
In case anyone is unclear, this is the arrangement that we agreed to in order to allow the ACC to use the Barclay's Center for its tournament for a few years and kick us out. Personally, I think we should have required that all of our teams get a chance to play there or taken a huge buyout from the ACC. Instead, we more or less got bent over. I doubt we play a game there either, and I doubt the ACC sends any of its top teams this year or next (unless there is something specifically written into the agreement requiring it, which I doubt).
 
^^Don't joke like that! You know the ACC is going to serve up BC, Wake, GT, VT, and 2 other bottom feeders du jour for this thing.

If this challenge turns out to be anything other than a turd sandwich for the A10, I'd be stunned.
 
I doubt the ACC sends it's bottom teams. Barclay's Center was smart to work out this deal, first, they get a revenue generating event the next 3 years. They have the A-10 tourney for another 3 years, and this is a chance to promote the A-10 brand in the Big Apple. Just having an ACC/A-10 challenge, suggests an equivalency between the conferences. I'd think the ACC would be desirous of squashing the A-10 in all of the matchups, to maintain their brand.
 
IMHO, I would think they would choose the best A-10 teams to play the best ACC teams. UR will be one of the best A-10 teams. It will only help the conference.
 
I think Mo may have been referring to our pour attendance at the BC during the A-10. If we get a game I would hope we turn out a decent number of attendees. I know many working fans have a hard time taking off work to go.
 
Are we away from Brooklyn for three years? I thought we had one in Pittsburgh and one in DC. Is there another A-10 Tournanment outside of NYC?

Oh, and watch us get Wake vs UR in Barclays on one of the UR home years...
 
there certainly could be some negatives in this deal depending on how it plays out but let's wait to see what the first lineup looks like before we barf. yes, it could be fordham vs va tech as the headliner with mason vs boston college as the nightcap and that would be hilarious but not out of the question. agree, if that comes to pass, the A-10 should have held out for cash and future considerations like a share of the acc dance proceeds.
 
I can't imagine Barclay's agreeing to Fordham vs. Virginia Tech, BC vs Mason as the games they want played in there building. I'm sure this will have some TV coverage and doubt the networks want those games either.
 
I'm curious who gets the gate from these events. Does Barclay's get it all? In that case, they are going to pick the teams that will attract the most fans in (or to) the arena, period. Does the A-10 get some? Does the ACC get none? Is it a 50-50 split, and we also split the arena rental fees?
 
So it sounds like only 2 teams per year can play in this? Should have been a doubleheader for two days at least getting 4 teams form our conference to play. If it is just 2 of our teams then just 14% of our teams will participate in a year and only 43% over the entire 3 years.
 
Originally posted by Spiders05:
MM, don't be surprised if we buy our way into the 6 selected. UR Bball has a lot of deep pocket allies around NYC.
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I hope you're right but would love to see more of our NYC allies supporting us by their presence and with their voice up there too.
 
Just a rumor but...

Everyone is saying this year's games are BC/Fordham and Wake/GW...
 
Would love to see UR vs Duke.
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Here's what I found:


"The ACC and Atlantic 10 will take part in a doubleheader at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., from 2015-2017, multiple sources told CBSSports.com on Thursday.
The ACC and Atlantic 10 announced the doubleheader in a joint press release last spring, but more specifics are now known. There will be one doubleheader per year each December from 2015-2017, according to another source. Official matchups have yet to be set, but sources said the games should be set by May 1.
The agreement is part of a deal between the two conferences when the Atlantic 10 agreed to leave the Barclays Center in 2017 and 2018 for the conference tournament. The league will move its postseason to Pittsburgh in 2017 and Washington in 2018 before returning to Brooklyn in 2019.
The ACC Tournament will be held at the Barclays Center in 2017 and 2018."
 
I don't understand the immediate rush to negativity. I for one am happy and think that it can be the "first steps of a long journey" for the conference.
What, is the ACC supposed to welcome us with open arms? That 's just crazy thinking.
 
not much of an ACC - A10 challenge. a conference challenge involves most if not all of the conference. not a double header. make it real on a Saturday in December with:
VCU vs UVA
UR vs Duke
Dayton vs Notre Dame
SLU vs Louisville
Davidson vs UNC
SBU vs Syracuse
Duquesne vs Pitt
etc.
 
Annap, my concerns are the result of this:

• the A-10 -- through wise foresight -- signed a contract to hold its tournament at Barclays for an extended period of time.
• the ACC came late to the party and decided it also wanted to host its tournament there.
• Whoops! The A-10 already had reserved the place.
• Barclays would rather have the ACC there than the A-10, so some degree of stiff-arming took place to "remedy" this.
• The A-10 -- which remember, held the contractual rights to hold its tournament there for a number of years -- all of a sudden was told it had to leave for a few years so the ACC could come in.
• For reasons unknown, the best deal the A-10 could manage (despite having a contract!) was this dog-and-pony show of a conference "challenge," which is likely to amount to the 6 worst ACC teams playing a few bad and a few good A-10 teams for three years.

Without knowing the details of the original contract, I suppose it is unfair to be completely upset with the A-10 and Barclays. Maybe the contract mentioned that this would be a possibility. But if I have a contract to buy a house and two weeks later you decide you want to buy it, and the bank pulls my contract, accepts yours and gives me a smaller, older house down the street, now I'm pissed.
 
Originally posted by AnnapSpider:
I don't understand the immediate rush to negativity. I for one am happy and think that it can be the "first steps of a long journey" for the conference.
What, is the ACC supposed to welcome us with open arms? That 's just crazy thinking.
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This is not the "first steps" to the A-10 and ACC have some annual playing arrangements. This is all about the a Power 5 program exerting there influence over a conference that it considers inferior. They came in basically negated our contract with Barclays and then through us this bone of a doubleheader for the next few years.
 
See, I don't see the A-10 as being seen an inferior conference, but one that they are concerned will be considered as a genuine rival to their recruiting areas. Remember the old Avis ads that referred to themselves as No. 2- what they did was position themselves as an equivalent to Hertz.
The ACC fears the A-10 as positioning themselves as No. 2 in this part of the country.
Look at how much publicity VCU has gotten over the likes of Va Tech, Ga Tech, Clemson, Wake, etc. While I don't like giving VCU credit- they have done far more good for positioning the A-10 as a legitimate contender to the ACC than not. Even this "bone" could just be one more step.

One thing none us know for sure is how the negotiations between the ACC, A-10 and the Barclay Center went behind closed doors.
 
Anna, since the A-10 was gutted last year, I don't think we scare the ACC very much. Big East maybe.
 
Originally posted by AnnapSpider:
See, I don't see the A-10 as being seen an inferior conference, but one that they are concerned will be considered as a genuine rival to their recruiting areas. Remember the old Avis ads that referred to themselves as No. 2- what they did was position themselves as an equivalent to Hertz.
The ACC fears the A-10 as positioning themselves as No. 2 in this part of the country.
Look at how much publicity VCU has gotten over the likes of Va Tech, Ga Tech, Clemson, Wake, etc. While I don't like giving VCU credit- they have done far more good for positioning the A-10 as a legitimate contender to the ACC than not. Even this "bone" could just be one more step.

One thing none us know for sure is how the negotiations between the ACC, A-10 and the Barclay Center went behind closed doors.
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The top of the ACC is on a completely different level from the A10. If you remove the top 4 or 5 teams (like Duke, UNC, Louisville, and Syracuse) then the ACC starts to look like the A10. I don't think at this point the conferences are comparable, and to say the ACC is afraid of the A10 stealing their recruits is a bit of a stretch.

Maybe if the A10 can routinely make the elite 8 or final 4, routinely have 4 or 5 teams in the top 25, routinely send players to the NBA, etc then we would start to be on the same level as the ACC. We are nowhere close to that right now.


This post was edited on 4/13 1:41 PM by fan2011
 
It didn't help- but the Big East has basically always been there. The A-10 is late to the party.
I think of the Big East being the "northeast" and the ACC and A-10 more in the mid-Atlantic.
I know- geography really isn't a good reason- but the best I can do.
 
A bottom feeder team given out by the ACC. Shouldn't have expected better I guess. Good job Mo predicting Fordham and BC as 2 of the teams. You'll probably be correct with V or GTech also.
 
I think I can see John Swofford giving us the double bird from here, while he drives off with our girlfriend in his car.
 
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