Absolutely pathetic garbage
- Thread starter Eight Legger
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If the commitment to successful sports programs at the top is tepid (being generous there), it really makes no difference what conference we are in. Admin will be satisfied to just "compete" at a lower league level if it ever came to that.
Come on, you may be depressed by the way things have been going, but let’s look at this hypothetically.
Richmond let’s Mooney go, but we have million dollar facilities to entice a top line coach, but we’re going to
do that in the Patriot League.
I wouldn’t want you to invest my retirement.
There’s an error in your investment analysis. “Richmond let(s) Mooney go.”
You’ll have to rework your numbers I think.
Why do we need to look at hypotheticals when we have 17 years of reality staring us in the face?
By all means, go get a top line coach and figure out what other changes we can make to get us back to the dancing on a regular basis...100% on board with that.
I just don't see evidence that the administration is willing to do it. So if that is indeed the case, then we've already thrown Queally's money away on the RC and the practice facility and we might as well cut our future monetary losses and have a better chance of dancing to boot.
Make a decision one way or the other, because the status quo is a neverending treadmill of frustration that's costing the school a heck of a lot of money.
By all means, go get a top line coach and figure out what other changes we can make to get us back to the dancing on a regular basis...100% on board with that.
I just don't see evidence that the administration is willing to do it. So if that is indeed the case, then we've already thrown Queally's money away on the RC and the practice facility and we might as well cut our future monetary losses and have a better chance of dancing to boot.
Make a decision one way or the other, because the status quo is a neverending treadmill of frustration that's costing the school a heck of a lot of money.
Despite everyone on here saying it’s impossible with the current admin I do think they end up firing Mooney at end of season. It’s more likely now than ever
While I agree that it’s more likely now than ever, I think he’s made of Teflon. There’s nothing out there that suggests our AD will remove him, particularly since he got an extension. We just don’t fire coaches under contract.
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The school has shown that they are not going to fire the "winningest coach in school history." They didn't fire him between 2006-2008 when his teams were a combined 37-54. And, they didn't fire him in 2018 & 2019 when his teams were a combined 25-40. Based upon their track record, I would be shocked to see the decision-makers fire "our friend" when the season wins are above .500, even if it is another no-NCAA, 18-14 year.
In terms of how it will be justified, I suspect that we will see huge fanfare. Celebrate all that the individuals and the coach have done over the last 4, 5, and 6-years. Rah, Rah publicly, and use that goodwill as the collateral for another extension. The extension will get Mooney through the next 3-4 years, which frankly are likely to be well below average.
Certifiable excuses (team lost senior leaders, extremely young, inexperienced, rebuilding, etc.) will be the order of the day as the losses mount in the immediate future. After that, rinse and repeat, everything will again be just as it is today.
Evidence would cause the "most wise" among us to conclude that Mooney will choose when he leaves.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Unfortunately you are spot on. He isn't going anywhere anytime soon unless it is on his own terms. He holds the entire Athletic Department hostage.
Ya we will get told that the past 5-6 years have been a huge success because the team started out with a few losing seasons but “turned it around” and made some “exciting runs” in the NIT of which we are very proud. Then we’ll be told all about the steals record owned by Jacob gilyard and that he is an all time great college basketball player and that mooney deserves all the credit blah, blah, blah. The only coached I can ever think of that were ever fired at UR were Latrell scott because of legal issues (the school didn’t want that embarrassment) and jerry wainwright because he was pushing the envelope with admissions and academic standards. Mooney fits their agenda so no amount of losses will ever get him fired. The fact he’s been here this long should tell us all that.
Its not a program worth following or supporting. Sad to say but true. Its like following the Siena Explorers or Loyola Maryland at this point. They have about as good a chance of getting national attention and an NCAA bid as the Spiders. If the school doesnt care there is no point in us caring either.
Wainwright left on his own to go to DePaul, but I don't think our administration cried about it, either. Bill Dooley's contact was allowed to expire and not renewed. Technically I guess that's not being fired either, though it really is.
Only way Mooney gets fired, if the school feels pressure to fire him. Silent protests, withholding small donations, threats to not renew season tickets just gives them cover. Only chance is to go big and public if we want change. Just my two cents.
My number one team is the Spiders.
But luckily now a fan of SDSU Aztecs. Thought this would be a down year for them this year, injuries, guys not stepping into roles offensively, etc. But lo and behold they are at least in position, coming off beating then undefeated, no. 20 CSU by 30 points. Watched interview with coach recently, first things mentioned were DEFENSE and REBOUNDING, the CSU game was slotted in to replace other covid game last minute and all coaches watched film til wee hours to prepare. It's quite refreshing.
Oh, and also picked up another west coast team that just happened to get their highest ranking in 30 or 50 years i forget. So I don't think I am the jinx.
But yes, FS, it is harder and harder to stomach the Mooney culture of comfort, and lack of D and rebounding, and next game, next year will be our game and year.
Threatening to not renew season tickets won’t do anything because they’ll just give more tickets to more old folks homes and youth engagement groups. I guess those are the new fans Bob black talked about. I will agree though that publicly embarrassing the university will have an impact though. The billboard for example enraged them. Do more stuff like that on social media and at games and we will see something from the school. At the very least they will say they stand by mooney like they did the last times. For me and a lot of fans that would be enough for me to tell them nice knowing you and I’m never coming back until changes are made.
Queally is about the only individual who has influence to get the school to think about change in the leadership of our "flagship" sport. He and Mooney by all evidence are close so that won't happen. If the entire or large majority of BOT wanted Mooney to go that might have some influnce. No evidence of that either. Also no evidence our new school president Kevin Hallock has any interest in asserting himself about change in our men's basketball head coaching job. Likelihood is Mooney stays until he gets tired of coaching at age 82 or so. By that calculation he has about 33 more seasons.
Breaking news. We are going to the tournament this year. Big win coming against Davidson shortly.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
I’ve been out on mooney since 2014 been out on the school since about 2018. What I’m saying by this statement is that if they publicly support mooney again I will never come back.
You mean, never come back to the Spidernation message board?
Go easy on Hallock. He hasn’t made his worldwide tour yet to introduce himself to the thousands of alums outside of Richmond. And remember it was stated by Hardt that he needed time to meld into the program before making any decisions.
Come on man……give’m a break.
Agree. Hallock has not been on board long enough to praise or condemn. Hopes are high, but expectations lower based on the mindset of those who selected him. We shall see.
Crutcher is a good and decent man, but with blind spots (vision) because of his background. Just as Nero fiddled while Rome burned, he celloed while Spider sports atrophied.
Crutcher is a good and decent man, but with blind spots (vision) because of his background. Just as Nero fiddled while Rome burned, he celloed while Spider sports atrophied.
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thing is that many of the Patriot League has those facilities anyway, so it’s not like we’re not going to automatically be a big fish in a small pond
When recently has this school done anything logical? And there's no negative fans here, only realistic anti Mooney fans
The greatest team ever is "running it back" all the way to 11th place in a horrible a10. Congratulations!
Well, the brick and mortar might be nice, but they run the place like it's a bingo game on Good Friday.
We might lead the country in non-competitive fouls. 90 feet away from basket on rebounds, bumping guys on cuts, letting a guy finish but pushing him just enough for and 1. You name it
