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A quick look at the Art Briles/ Baylor situation, for those who are interested

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Just spoke with a Baylor friend who, like I, is a big fan of Art Briles and what he has accomplished in Texas high school football and at Texas Tech, Houston, and Baylor. Great man, fine Christian role model, and great mentor to young people. But now, it apparently has been uncovered that discipline of football players may have been held back from the Title IX people. We are in a new time and place nowadays regarding any kind of sexual misconduct or perceived sexual misconduct.

My friend sent me the following copy of a post on one of the Baylor blogs. This is a part of the preliminary report done by the outside law firm. Any discussion you want to have on this? If so, post below.

His post reads as follows:

I posted this in another thread. If you can read this and say "I don't see why Briles has to go," then I can't help you. The football section of the report. Underlines are mine.

Barriers to Implementation of Title IX within Baylor’s Football ProgramBaylor failed to maintain effective oversight and supervision of the Athletics

Department as it related to the effective implementation of Title IX. Leadership challenges and

communications issues hindered enforcement of rules and policies, and created a cultural

perception that football was above the rules. In addition to the issues related to student
misconduct, the University and Athletics Department failed to take effective action in response
to allegations involving misconduct by football staff. Further, despite the fact that other

departments repeatedly raised concerns that the Athletics Department’s response to student or

employee misconduct was inadequate, Baylor administrators took insufficient steps to address

the concerns.

Baylor failed to take appropriate action to respond to reports of sexual assault and

dating violence reportedly committed by football players. The choices made by football staff

and athletics leadership, in some instances, posed a risk to campus safety and the integrity of the

University. In certain instances, including reports of a sexual assault by multiple football
players, athletics and football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and
dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics. In those instances, football

coaches or staff met directly with a complainant and/or a parent of a complainant and did not
report the misconduct. As a result, no action was taken to support complainants, fairly and

impartially evaluate the conduct under Title IX, address identified cultural concerns within the

football program, or protect campus safety once aware of a potential pattern of sexual violence

by multiple football players.

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In addition, some football coaches and staff took improper steps in response to

disclosures of sexual assault or dating violence that precluded the University from fulfilling its

legal obligations. Football staff conducted their own untrained internal inquiries, outside of
policy, which improperly discredited complainants and denied them the right to a fair, impartial
and informed investigation, interim measures or processes promised under University policy. In

some cases, internal steps gave the illusion of responsiveness to complainants but failed to

provide a meaningful institutional response under Title IX. Further, because reports were not

shared outside of athletics, the University missed critical opportunities to impose appropriate

disciplinary action that would have removed offenders from campus and possibly precluded

future acts of sexual violence against Baylor students. In some instances, the football program
dismissed players for unspecified team violations and assisted them in transferring to other
schools. As a result, some football coaches and staff abdicated responsibilities under Title IX

and Clery; to student welfare; to the health and safety of complainants; and to Baylor’s

institutional values.

In addition to the failures related to sexual assault and dating violence, individuals

within the football program actively sought to maintain internal control over discipline for other


forms of misconduct. Athletics personnel failed to recognize the conflict of interest in roles and

risk to campus safety by insulating athletes from student conduct processes. Football coaches
and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to
actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes. In some cases, football

coaches and staff had inappropriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged

in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules, and

that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct.

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The football program also operates an internal system of discipline, separate from
University processes, which is fundamentally inconsistent with the mindset required for effective
Title IX implementation, and has resulted in a lack of parity vis-à-vis the broader student
population. This informal system of discipline involves multiple coaches and administrators,

relies heavily upon individual judgment in lieu of clear standards for discipline, and has resulted
in conduct being ignored or players being dismissed from the team based on an informal and
subjective process. The ad hoc internal system of discipline lacks protocols for consistency with

University policy and is wholly undocumented. The football program’s separate system of

internal discipline reinforces the perception that rules applicable to other students are not
applicable to football players, improperly insulates football players from appropriate disciplinary

consequences, and puts students, the program, and the institution at risk of future misconduct. It

is also inconsistent with institutional reporting obligations.

The football program failed to identify and maintain controls over known risks,

and unreasonably accepted known risks. Leadership in football and the athletics department did
not set the tone, establish a policy or practice for reporting and documenting significant
misconduct. The lack of reporting expectations resulted in a lack of accountability for player

misconduct and employee misconduct. Further, no attempt was made to understand the root
causes of behavior or steps necessary to prevent its recurrence. In addition, in one instance, in

response to concerns about misconduct by football players that could contribute to a hostile

environment, an academic program that required interaction with the football program

improperly restricted educational opportunities for students, rather than take steps to eliminate a

potential hostile environment.
 
Primary take from that is the AD or individual program cannot take any discipline related to a sexual allegation, but must send it to the Title IX committee for review and response. It appears UR has been referring to the Title IX committee. Good or bad times are changing.
 
There is no college athletic program that should be protected or put on a separate island.
The priorities in our country have gotten so screwed up, people have gotten blinded as to what is
right or wrong. Money and winning at all cost go hand in hand.
 
this is not just an athlete, athletic dept issue. for years schools have been hiding sexual assaults, covering them up, listing them as some other crime, all so those stats did not show up to young men and women and to parents who were looking at their school. on the other hand you have women using the cry of sexual assaults to get attention and to persecute others. it is a very complex issue and personally feel that the university should be out of the picture, they do not have the expertise, the experience, the training to handle it and should step aside. have been to some baylor football games since moving down here and have to say one of the best experiences i have enjoyed, the people so nice and welcoming, none of the BS you see sometimes with crude behavior, etc. and a shame that a few people in positions of power lost sight of what is right and what is wrong.
 
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Although not apples to apples but why has UNC not been punished, yet, for an admitted violation. Like the Duke Lacrosse team sexual allegations at best take time to verify and at worse are some times are complete lies.
 
The Balyor mess has nothing to do with NCAA rules. They were covering up illegal acts, including some horrific actions. Very different than UNC's fake classes. Not saying UNC doesn't deserve to be punished, because they do, but the Baylor situation is more comparable to Penn St.

I believe one article mentioned a Bobby Bowden quote where he had said it was sad times when you couldn't just call up the sheriff and get all the problems to go away. These things need to be gone from college athletics, and our society in general.

I'm not saying that Art Briles is a horrible person or intended these actions to happen. Having read a lot about him, I think he had good intentions in trying to help troubled kids get a chance to succeed. But taking it the step further to protect them from everything just isn't acceptable. And I think along the way he brought in kids that were beyond his original intentions. It's not all about winning.
 
Yeah, let's not try to compare the Baylor situation to any other one that was hazy in some way. There's nothing hazy about this: Briles and Baylor were covering up sexual assaults and sexual assault allegation by multiple players over a period of years. Inexcusable and illegal, period.
 
IMHO, the Baylor situation most resembles the saga of Jameis Winston and others at Florida State. OSC
 
Baylor and Penn State. Very much alike. Great example of when a team becomes the most important thing on campus.
 
the guy, matthews up in charlottesville, who's dna was found on a rape victim in n. va and on the murdered va tech and uva coeds, had sexual assaults filed against him at several va colleges and nothing was done, red flags all over the place. same with the mental case at va tech who shot up the place, red flags and people knowing he was a prob but nothing happened. schools should not be in this business, title IX or no title IX.
 
I may be wrong, but Matthews was never an athlete closely supervised and monitored by a highly paid professional staff. I agree that there may have been red flags in his case, and undoubtedly he committed atrocious acts, but my understanding is that it was never apparent to an athletic staff who overlooked it because he was an asset to the team.
I could be wrong, but that was my assumption.
 
i, think he was a football player at liberty, scholie, don't know and could be wrong. does not matter, many assaults are carried out by regular students, not just athletes and of course because they get ink due to their on-field achievements, they get more ink when this kind of thing takes place. title IX is going to muddy this already complex issue even more because schools are going to try and take care of the incidents in the way the feds want, leading to an even bigger cluster fu$$.
 
Yep. Not sure why schools are even allowed to be intermediaries on this type of issue. If there is an assault, it needs to be reported directly to law enforcement authorities. The school's honor council or administration should have nothing to do with it.
 
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It's even worse with Jesse Matthew, he left Liberty in 2002 and Christopher Newport in 2003. Both were mid-semester, and both were after alleged sexual assaults. Had we followed Eight's suggestion others may still be alive today.
 
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Wake Forest Grobe to be named Interim head Coach at Baylor:

Former Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe to be named Baylor interim coach
May 30, 2016 4:44pm EDTMay 30, 2016 3:44pm EDTArt Briles was fired last week and Grobe, one of the game's most respected coaches, is expected to be named the interim replacement.


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Jim Grobe(Getty Images)

By Ken Bradley

@kenbradleysn
Updated at 4:44 p.m. ET
Jim Grobe is one of college football's good guys.

He's a defense-first coach. He did the unthinkable — he won at Wake Forest and took the Demon Deacons to three consecutive bowl games.

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That's why he's a fantastic choice as Baylor's interim coach.

He's expected to officially be named to that role, 247Sports.com first reported Monday. Sporting News confirmed the report through a source. Along with that appointment, the rest of the Bears staff is expected to remain intact, according to the report.

Last week Baylor announced that Art Briles was "suspended with intent to terminate." The appointment of Grobe all but makes that a foregone conclusion.

The decision to remove Briles (and place AD Ian McCaw on probation and demote university president Ken Starr to chancellor) came from the Board of Regents after the school conducted an "independent and external review of Baylor's institutional response to Title IX and related compliance issues through the lens of specific cases."

So it's not going to be all fun and games for Grobe. He's not stepping into the best situation in the public eye.

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But his job is going to be football-centric. Keep the program from falling off the planet while ensuring there are no more off-the-field problems.

And that's why he's a perfect fit for this situation.

The 64-year-old Grobe inherits one of the nation's best teams. The Bears, led by QB Seth Russell, have one of the game's best offenses. Keeping the assistants helps with continuity and Grobe's defense-first mindset can't hurt the Bears (they allowed 28.3 points and 396.5 yards per game in 2015).

Plus, Grobe has nothing to lose. USA Today's Dan Wolken reported that Baylor will search for a permanent coach after the 2016 season. Could that be Grobe? It's certainly possible. Sporting News' Bill Bender compiled a list with 10 potential candidates prior to the Grobe news.

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Grobe will arrive in Waco with no coaching stops in the state of Texas.

The 2006 ACC and AP Coach of the Year coached linebackers at Marshall and Air Force before being named head coach at Ohio in 1995. In six seasons he was 33-33-1 there before taking over at Wake Forest. The Deacons owned 10 winning seasons since joining the ACC in 1952. In 13 seasons at Wake, Grobe had five winning seasons and was 77-82. That stretch included three consecutive seasons (2006 to 2008) where the Deacons went to bowl games — the first and only time that's happened in Wake football history.

Wake Forest won the ACC title in 2006 and played in the BCS Orange Bowl.

 
must confess, have not read anything about this or seen the espn deal at all, just what i have heard on the local news here. art briles is considered a really good guy and not sure how you morph into looking the other way or hiding this type of behavior which he does not condone in any way. am sure some of it is attempting to protect your family and make no mistake, a team is a coach's family. as we saw and learned from the duke lax situation, what we think we know now may not be what is fact later on and recall the duke lax coach stood by his team/family even when every news outlet in the country had convicted those guys. don't think the baylor situation will turn out the same but we all need to slow down and see how this plays out. all the duke people got $20 million but not sure if they still have lost the stigma of what the prosecutor and the media did to them.
 
Jim Grobe is class act and will run a clean program. Many fans were real upset
when he left WF even with losing record last few years. Must think Baylor is easier
recruiting stop then Wake.
 
would love to see that independent investigation made public instead of kept under wraps. briles will be OK, other than his rep but feel that the upper people at the university were complicit or even more in the handling of the criminal activities, not to mention law enforcement.
 
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Jim Grobe is class act and will run a clean program. Many fans were real upset
when he left WF even with losing record last few years. Must think Baylor is easier
recruiting stop then Wake.

Played at Ferrum where he learned his triple option offense before moving on to UVA. Hell of a guy and hope that he rights their ship. Not sure if he will adapt his style is very different then Briles, could make for a long year. Think it's only interim but believe he could be shccessfull if given time to get his guys.
 
Briles is not the big problem at Baylor. Baylor is a mess and has been a mess for a long time. its the culture which goes all the way to the pres. office. Check back to the involvement of a basketball player back in the 90's in a murder. Not defending Briles but he is just one part of a big mess.
 
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Briles is not the big problem at Baylor. Baylor is a mess and has been a mess for a long time. its the culture which goes all the way to the pres. office. Check back to the involvement of a basketball player back in the 90's in a murder. Not defending Briles but he is just one part of a big mess.
R&B - agreed. Baylor continues to have major issues arise that demonstrate its administrative weaknesses. They always seem to be about 20 years behind other institutions, and always have to do major damage control when these issues rear their ugly heads. Baylor needs to hire a consulting firm to help them develop a strategic plan; then another consultant needs to give them a plan for How To Run A University; then a third consultant needs to put a process in place for Reputation Management. A search firm needs to get the right president in place; and two-thirds of the Board of Regents need to be shown the door. If ever there was a time to start over, this is it.
 
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