48. But your point remains. Should be extra motivation for us to win a game like that on road. Fordham is better ranked than Louisville. Frankly we have to win a couple like that to make jumps. Tho hard to expect to really. System is strange.
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48. But your point remains. Should be extra motivation for us to win a game like that on road. Fordham is better ranked than Louisville. Frankly we have to win a couple like that to make jumps. Tho hard to expect to really. System is strange.
The Net system is designed to cement the position of the P5 teams. It undermines the A10 and similar conferences.
When P5 teams beat up on each other in conference it’s just “proof of how deep the conference is.” When the A10 or another mid major does it, it just means “the top teams weren’t really that good.”
Like others have said we need to continue stacking wins. We can’t afford let-down games. Also, have heard in the past how the committee takes into consideration when teams are missing a player for a long stretch. That should apply to us with Hunt.
Like others have said we need to continue stacking wins. We can’t afford let-down games. Also, have heard in the past how the committee takes into consideration when teams are missing a player for a long stretch. That should apply to us with Hunt.
Yes, but the spread was in favor of a Dayton win.
Yes, that is true, but the spread wasn't 15 points. That would have been a huge upset. I thought last nights game was one of the best games I have ever attended, however the computer ranking only saw us win by 5 points on what was expected to be a close game. If we beat Fordham next week by 20 or VCU by 15, we will probably move up more in NET rankings.
I'm pretttty sure NET does not calculate ranks based on the Vegas spread on the game! As we move up in the ranks, though, we are expected to do better against good teams like Dayton who are rated above us. Winning by a larger margin gives more proof that a bigger jump is warranted.
We've played 20 games- 1 game cannot move you but so far especially when you're already in the 70s. A 6 spot jump is probably pretty good at home. Win by 15 and you would expect a slightly bigger jump. Makes sense that there is a difference between dominating a good team and beating a good team. Both are great accomplishments! Just keep winning, baby!
We've played 20 games- 1 game cannot move you but so far especially when you're already in the 70s. A 6 spot jump is probably pretty good at home. Win by 15 and you would expect a slightly bigger jump. Makes sense that there is a difference between dominating a good team and beating a good team. Both are great accomplishments! Just keep winning, baby!
It is very true that the out of conference results are very important! It makes sense, though, because after that you fight amongst yourselves. Dayton proved themselves out of conference and that is helping our league. In fact, the league as a whole did pretty well. Dayton will not get slammed by losing to us. They are a great team who lost to another very good team.
That's very good news about injured player considerations. Again, NET is not the sole determining factor. We are getting ourselves in the conversation for sure. Last night was very important. Keep winning and we'll be fine!!
Feels like anytime the #72 team beats the #15 team, it should result in more than a combined net shift of seven spots. NET basically said, "yeah, we expected #72 to beat #15," which doesn't make any sense.
How frustrating. Total BS. Does anyone in the press call this shit out? The system is atrocious.
Yes that seems like the only thing that should matter but when you beat a Top 15 team pretty handily and move up only 6 spots, that logic is lost amongst the nerds who built the NET. And wait until we beat Fordham away by 10 and go backwards. It seems we could go 18-0 in A10 and still be ranked in the 60’s with this abysmal system. And no team in the 60’s gets an at large.
We need to hammer Fordham. Win this one by 15 plus and we'll probably get a 5 or 6 spot bump
Check out Xavier’s 41 ranked resume and compare it to spiders at 67 and then tell me the NET is not a complete and utter disaster.
X 5-7 in Q 1& 2. UR 6-4
X has 2 Q 3 losses. UR has 1
At best the resumes are equal. At best. To be 29 spots higher is absurd and should make this shitshow of a system illegitimate.
Id love to see an analyst point this crap out. There are probably 20 other F ed up comparisons as well.
They will say its all in the AI algorithm and us mere humans cant see the minute differences. Bullshit
X 5-7 in Q 1& 2. UR 6-4
X has 2 Q 3 losses. UR has 1
At best the resumes are equal. At best. To be 29 spots higher is absurd and should make this shitshow of a system illegitimate.
Id love to see an analyst point this crap out. There are probably 20 other F ed up comparisons as well.
They will say its all in the AI algorithm and us mere humans cant see the minute differences. Bullshit
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The 15 team led all of 1 minute in the 2nd half. Terribly inefficient by us!
I agree they should and sometimes do but I think it likely only applies to high profile P5 teams the NCAA wants in the dance.
That’s my fear. But I suppose it’s too early to worry about that
Xavier just got shitcanned by UConn by 33, so if margin of victory and/or defeat is a factor, X should take a nose dive tomorrow.
Wichita St. taking down SMU today bumped us up to 80th in kenpom, from 82 or 83.
Yes but They shouldnt have been near the ranking they had. Ridiculous!! Their team sucks and every team that beats them gets a Q 1 or 2 win.
LOL. My addition is a good as my grammar. Thanks.
On the NET, I'm not really getting up in arms about it. For one, it is just one of the tools the committee uses. Second, we are 6-4 against Quad 1 and Quad 2 teams right now, that will carry some weight as the committee digs down on resumes.
Lastly, it is still January, so much basketball left. The reality is we probably need to go no worse than 15-3 and probably make the A-10 finals to have a resume that will keep us on the bubble. Still a tall order, but we have now put ourselves in the conversation.
Just keep winning and the NET, our resume, will take care of itself.
Another mind blowing mystery is why so much love for the Bonnies in the rankings. I know its good for the Spiders but their resume is pretty bad and the sit just behind us.
Q1 0-3
Q2. 2-2
Q3 2-0
Q4. 8-2
They have only 4 wins in Q1,2,3. Four!!
And two Q4 losses. They should be ranked near 200. Its a complete clusterF.
Q1 0-3
Q2. 2-2
Q3 2-0
Q4. 8-2
They have only 4 wins in Q1,2,3. Four!!
And two Q4 losses. They should be ranked near 200. Its a complete clusterF.
It definitely boosts teams for losing to top teams. You have 10 Q1 loses and your guaranteed a spot in the top 30.
I've wondered the same about the Bonnies, but I think it's all about margin of victory for them. They've had six wins by 24+ and also beat St. Joe's the other day by 19.
That is the only way to explain it but that makes it even more obvious that the ranking is nonsense.
Comparing NET with RPI is pretty interesting.
Some of the team rankings are 20 / 30 spots different.
For example St. Mary’s is inexplicably 21 in NET and RPI has them at 66.
Syracuse is 76 in NET and 15 in RPI. WTF?
It's a lot of garbage for sure. The margin thing *could* indicate how much better one team is than another, or it might not. What if you play 10 overtime games but win them all by 20 points? You weren't really 20 points better than those teams after 40 minutes, but the system probably treats you as if you were.
Yikes. Xavier is 10-10, they have lost their last 2 and yet they improved by three spots to 40. Villanova is ranked 43 and has lost their last 4 and have lost 5 of their last 6.
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N. Texas also classic - jumps us into 69 after losing to FAU.
Thankfully, they say that NET is just one thing the committee looks at. Hopefully they are wise enough to separate outliers like these. Seems like they'd have a hard time leaving out a team with NET around 40 but with a 0.500 record surely they'd be out.
We have taken a nice jump in NET since beating Dayton, 75 to 69. We have a long way to go, but headed in right direction. Kenpom has us favored in 9 of last 11, but only winning 7 of last 11. We need to win big Wednesday night and beat VCU on Saturday, which will be difficult. VCU playing very well last 7 games and a win would give us a nice bump in Net.
As long as VCU crushes St. Bonaventure, and the Spiders crush Fordham.
You must not have been looking at today's numbers. Xavier fell from 40 to 53 with yesterday's shellacking.
Parrish and Norlander on their pod yesterday are seeinng a path for us. We are too far out for NET, kenpom and Torviks teamcast tools to even approach usefulness in January.
Further, I don’t know if kenpom should ever be a key tool to determine the bubble line. I don’t think it is designed to do that and that guy does not open source what he does nor subject himself to any meaningful debate not on his terms. I don’t blame him, if I could collect $20 annualy from every CBB fan because they seek my approval I don’t think I would advertise it’s not really worth it.
Further, I don’t know if kenpom should ever be a key tool to determine the bubble line. I don’t think it is designed to do that and that guy does not open source what he does nor subject himself to any meaningful debate not on his terms. I don’t blame him, if I could collect $20 annualy from every CBB fan because they seek my approval I don’t think I would advertise it’s not really worth it.
We need to destroy a couple teams, preferably on the road.
