spiderman said:

I'm going to analyze box scores and count on the eyes of you Flo supporters for this one.
can't believe the next non-Flo game is 12/8. long break.

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Sadly I'm 90% sure tomorrow I am going to hit CANCEL on my Delta ticket I bought for this tourney in September. Just don't think I can rationalize taking the time off from work and family for the Monday/Tuesday games since I was already planning to fly back to the RVA on Wed morning.

I remain all-in with ~ 8 other friends however to attend the Miracle on the Plains scheduled at noon on 12/8.

GKiller said:

U can take some things from a box score. They have value.

But since u used baseball terms they won’t tell u if 1 hit was a luckier seeing eye single vs. an out that was crushed but right at somebody.

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I’m with you here G. Baseball is a dangerous sport to evaluate off the box score. You can get a heap of information but sometimes there’s a lot that happens that never shows up there.

Wood Hall said:

I don't watch every baseball or football game either. But when I look at a box score and see that the pitchers only gave up 3-4 hits, I can logically assume that was good pitching. When I see a team only scored 10 points, I can assume someone played good defense.

Our opponent shot a miserable 6-for-30 from 3, that's 20% Someone must have been doing something right.

At this point, Mooney could invent a vaccine that cured cancer and some here would complain the shot hurt too much.

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Every Econ teacher I had at Richmond said never assume. When you assume you make an ASS of U and ME.

“Our opponent shot a miserable 6-for-30 from 3, that's 20% Someone must have been doing something right.”

For all you know our opponents were blind kids in wheelchairs, you didn’t watch so you don’t know what happened!!!

spider23 said:

I was wondering where all the Mooney cheerleaders were. Give you credit for popping your head up on this one Wood. Most have run for the hills to wait for the next up cycle in 5-6 years to beat their chest.

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Who are u talking about? The board is about 97% anti Mooney. The tiny few of us who do not relentlessly attack him during and after every game have continued to post.

It's a bummer, b/c in a competive season playing LA Tech on a neutral would be a very solid OOC game for us - they're 83 in Kenpom, so a solid Q2 game.

I'm going to analyze box scores and count on the eyes of you Flo supporters for this one.
can't believe the next non-Flo game is 12/8. long break.

Gallipoli said:

Yes, back when Barty was in school, there were wooden signs with metal polls that identified the dorms. One Saturday night Barty decided to test his prowess by running through and breaking 5 of those signs. Barty was one tough football player. He was a Spider great. He is a class guy.

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Will never forget the beatdown he gave to the WM defensive backs when he ran through them in the 1973 game at WM.

SFspidur said:

Is it really $30? Damn. I still refuse to find out because they won't tell you the price until you create an account. I know they used to have a discounted rate via the CAA, but not sure if they're still doing that.

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Yep - the standard link is $150 upfront for a year or $30/month.



You're right though, seems like if you go through this link, you get a discount. Goes down to $20/month.

dang it. that was meant for Philly Spider! too slow.

but good stuff Brooklyn. that's communication. glad Walz took control. teaching moment. we do have a lot of new faces so some of that is to be expected early.

Watching Drake v UMiami in CofC Classic.

Drake would punish us by 25.They’re beating Canes by 10 with 4 min

How can Drake be so very good and we not so much?

did anyone notice the play last night where Tanner switched onto a big man as part of an on ball switch - Tanner took the pick man/roller - but then when the ball moved away, Walz tried to get Tanner to re-switch back to the wing on the perimeter so Walz could take the big man. Tanner looked over but stayed with the big, leaving both of them guarding him and the wing wide open. It never got passed to him luckily but at the ensuing dead ball seconds later, Walz slapped his hands in frustration and pointed it all out to Tanner. Was midway in 2nd half, on fans' side of the court, near the elbow. Was kind of encapsulating how it seems the guys don't know where to be or being on same page as yet.

spider23 said:

Defense has been super disappointing. Thought we saw great improvement last two years with Boyden, but despite what any metrics say - eye test is beat off dribble constantly and open shots. Obviously the defensive talent is downgraded big time at forward spots, but would have hoped the philosophy and seemingly re-emphasis would carry over.

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So stopping the dribble drive straight up (without help) is a huge part of being good defensively. Its some coaching but a lot just physical ability. We don't have much of it with this group. Help and off ball defense is a lot coaching and a lot determination etc. We look lost at times here. Our help defenders are all ball watching way too much. What I mean is, is they watch the ball (you have to do this some obviously) and make a help move and then, as the play develops and help isn't needed, they just keep watching the ball and not reengaging with their man and their man moves and they end up standing alone in open space looking at the ball on the other side of the floor guarding nothing! Nescovic especially is guilty of this regularly, but we are doing a lot of it. Combine this with an inability to stop the ball and you will have real problems defensively. Stopping the ball may be difficult to fix because we simply may not have the physical gifts to be good at it, but fixing all our off ball stuff should be doable and I certainly hope we can get it figured out!

U can take some things from a box score. They have value.

But since u used baseball terms they won’t tell u if 1 hit was a luckier seeing eye single vs. an out that was crushed but right at somebody.

What this box also misses imo is we got some home cooking. A couple drives by DLo I think he got bailed out by calls. 1 Maine dude got hammered on drive even Philly Bob said “lot of contact there”. Granted we’ve been on the other side too.

Btw is Ungerer a Bills fan? We need some balance. It’s always Philly this Philly that out of our AD. If a Philly team didn’t meet expectations it was always ironic to hear Mooney Philly Bob etc. bring it up. Hello. Mirror.

spider23 said:

Yes, during the game BB and Ungerer mentioned how Maine has been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. Just looked it up, they are 349 in D1.

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so it was the right strategy then.
why extend to take away 3's and give lanes to the basket to a team that can't hit 3's?

Yes, during the game BB and Ungerer mentioned how Maine has been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. Just looked it up, they are 349 in D1.

Wood Hall said:

I don't watch every baseball or football game either. But when I look at a box score and see that the pitchers only gave up 3-4 hits, I can logically assume that was good pitching. When I see a team only scored 10 points, I can assume someone played good defense.

Our opponent shot a miserable 6-for-30 from 3, that's 20% Someone must have been doing something right.

At this point, Mooney could invent a vaccine that cured cancer and some here would complain the shot hurt too much.

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I actually was at the game and so I saw it and therefore don't have to make assumptions about what might have happened. We gave Maine a ton of wide open 3's, the flying dutchman defense was in full effect. Maine just missed them.

We keep playing defense like this, good teams are going to be lighting us up.

Wood Hall said:

I don't watch every baseball or football game either. But when I look at a box score and see that the pitchers only gave up 3-4 hits, I can logically assume that was good pitching. When I see a team only scored 10 points, I can assume someone played good defense.

Our opponent shot a miserable 6-for-30 from 3, that's 20% Someone must have been doing something right.

At this point, Mooney could invent a vaccine that cured cancer and some here would complain the shot hurt too much.

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every team will get open looks from 3. and every team will miss a good percentage of those looks.
what we're saying is that it wasn't great defensive pressure that forced non AJ Lopez shooters to miss 21 of 22 from 3 last night.
we were fortunate.

BB mentioned that Maine likes to get to the rim. perhaps that was our focus ... not letting them in the lane and giving them more perimeter shots to miss. they ended up taking 30 threes (hitting 20%) and only 28 two's (hitting 15 of 28).

SFspidur said:

Gazelle doesn't even want us anymore, so we're having to shack up with BDG.

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Geez, downgraded again

MDspider8 said:

All three games are going to be on FloHoops!! Yay!! $30 a month is a STEAL!!

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Is it really $30? Damn. I still refuse to find out because they won't tell you the price until you create an account. I know they used to have a discounted rate via the CAA, but not sure if they're still doing that.

I was wondering where all the Mooney cheerleaders were. Give you credit for popping your head up on this one Wood. Most have run for the hills to wait for the next up cycle in 5-6 years to beat their chest.

SFspidur said:

A lot of them were wide-open shots that they simply missed because they're not very good.

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Right - against any A10 caliber team, we would have been down by 10 at halftime with the amount of wide open 3s

Wood Hall said:

Our opponent shot a miserable 6-for-30 from 3, that's 20% Someone must have been doing something right.

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A lot of them were wide-open shots that they simply missed because they're not very good.

plydogg said:

“Didn’t watch the game but…” is precisely what has destroyed sports media over the past 15 years. How can you form an opinion on how the defense looked if you didn’t watch the defense!

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I don't watch every baseball or football game either. But when I look at a box score and see that the pitchers only gave up 3-4 hits, I can logically assume that was good pitching. When I see a team only scored 10 points, I can assume someone played good defense.

Our opponent shot a miserable 6-for-30 from 3, that's 20% Someone must have been doing something right.

At this point, Mooney could invent a vaccine that cured cancer and some here would complain the shot hurt too much.

CarolinaSpider said:

Barty Smith was freight train rolling down hill also.

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Yes, back when Barty was in school, there were wooden signs with metal polls that identified the dorms. One Saturday night Barty decided to test his prowess by running through and breaking 5 of those signs. Barty was one tough football player. He was a Spider great. He is a class guy.