32counter said:

5 OT in Newark.

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After watching that video again I'm ready to strap it on!

spiderman said:

well ... unless you're hot.

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I wish NIL Money would be more public because this was one area NIL money was supposed to help - in these non-revenue sports, especially on the female side. For sports like women's volleyball, lacrosse, field hockey, swimming, etc - where there really is no viable professional option - college sports are the top level. But these are big businesses for equipment makers and brands.

Example - womens field hockey. There are approximately 6,500 womens field hockey players in the US. Then factor in all the HS players, and youth players - it becomes a very large number. But say STX, one of the largest producers of field hockey sticks, can now align with the best players in each region and have them market to the youth community to purchase their gear and equipment. Its not like basketball or football where a pro athlete can do it, cause there really is no pro field hockey.

But hard to tell if this occuring because NIL is so secretive, but this was supposed to be one of the positives of NIL - to help some of these non-revenue athletes make money in probably the only 4 years they truly can make money off themselves in their sport.

97spiderfan said:

... but are true amateurs and none of them are getting any NIL money to do so.

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well ... unless you're hot.

I think the way this happens is the power schools break off and create their own super-league with geographical divisions, similar to the Pros. This way - the non-revenue sports can stay local for the most part, but the revenue sports will have those big games cross country, etc.

spiderman said:

they need to separate rev and non-rev sports into separate conferences with geograhic-based conferences for non-rev sports.

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Yes, this is a good idea. It is insane to have your golf team, women's volleyball team and swim teams flying all over the country for meets. It is askig way to much of student athletes, whom unlike football and hoops athletes, do these sports not to be professionals but are true amateurs and none of them are getting any NIL money to do so.

SFspidur said:

I could be wrong, but I assume most sports (basketball and football excluded) fly commercial, not private, even at the P4 level. Between getting to and from the airport, security/check-in, and making connections, those cross-country flying trips end up being way longer than a 5-hour door-to-door bus ride where you can at least nap pretty much the whole way.

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Agreed and if you've flown commercial since Covid, it's a 50-50 proposition that said flight is going to go off on time as scheduled.

SFspidur said:

A number of schools have small private planes for athletic recruiting and other small-group travel, but I don't think the economics work to own a large plane, even if you're flying teams a lot. Purchase, ownership, and operation costs rise significantly for those types of aircraft. Those planes need to be in the air most of the time to be cost-effective, and I don't see any way the need is there. Plus you have vastly different sized squads. You're not going to pay fuel and other costs to fly a 180-seat plane somewhere to transport the 6-person tennis team and a few coaches/staff (extreme example I know, but it even applies to larger teams where you might transporting ~40 people).

NFL teams with all their billions in value (other than the Patriots to my knowledge) just charter planes instead of owning. The Patriots-owned planes are operated by a third-party charter company that charters them out for other purposes in the offseason.

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Yeah - I had heard most pro teams don't own planes, but I was thinking for an entire athletic program - would it get more use? You likely would need two-three size planes.

But even in the chartering world - how long until we see advertisements on football helmets/jerseys, etc for an airline that that a program trades to offset the cost of chartering all these flights. The pro teams already allow ads on their uniforms, so I would assume the colleges will be next in line. I don't think the players care. Hey Stanford women's volleyball - we are going to put a Delta sticker on your jerseys and warm-up shirts, in return, - you get to fly private planes to all your games.

But this just shows the arms race that is college athletics - charter flights used to be a big deal, something only the bigger programs enjoyed. But now with this conference re-alignment, and even before - it has become more commonplace even for mid-majors like UR, and will continue to become more commonplace as well.

32counter said:

1,260 posts about 3 non existent games.What about the other 28 games?Talk about having idle time chasing windmills…Sad.

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I for one love this thread. It is the perfect encapsulation of UR athletic leadership being asleep at the wheel. We sat on our asses with our OOC and got left out of a quality MTE. So we hopped on this Gulf Coast sh*t show at the 11th hour to save face and appeal to the part of the fanbase that doesn't play close attention to the schedule, so they could say "hey look at this great MTE experience we have" and the gullible old ladies on social media would praise them.

But now, it is like a slow motion car wreck cause Gulf Coast is so third rate that they can't even fulfill the basic obligations of an MTE. Meanwhile, our big rival, conference partner, is playing in a great MTE and not only that just did not 1 but 2 victory laps on us by announcing 2025 and 2026 top of the line MTE's.

This is what you called grade A prime message board fodder and I am here for it.

See some head to head, it would help the A10 to do very well on those.

SpiderDogg said:

I’m curious (but too lazy) to look at the Mountain West teams non con schedule. That league is our peer, although obviously a step above A10 the past few years. Do those teams also have sad out of conference schedules? Or have they been able to schedule well this year? Would tell us if our hunch that Power 5 schools are avoiding the top mid major programs is a real thing or just an A10 scheduling problem

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Just a quick glance over a few of their top teams non-conference highlights. I didnt dig too deep into potential MTE matchups unless it was already there on the schedule:

UNLV- Memphis, Mississippi State (MTE), Butler OR Northwestern (MTE), Creighton, Dayton
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Colorado State- Ole Miss, Washington (MTE), TCU OR Santa Clara (MTE), Colorado, VCU
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Utah State- Iowa (MTE), Bonnies, St Marys, South Florida
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SDSU- Gonzaga, Cal, Texas A&M + Oregon + Creighton (all 3 MTE)
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New Mexico- UCLA, St Johns, Arizona State (MTE), Saint Marys OR USC (MTE), VCU
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Nevada- Washington, Vanderbilt (MTE), Seton Hall OR VCU (MTE), Washington State
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Boise State- Clemson, San Francisco, Washington State, St Marys, possible second round matchup in their MTE with Duqesne and possible third round with Boston College. They seem to be the only ones that didn't end up in an upper tier MTE.

Pretty damn strong overall.

5 OT in Newark.

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32counter said:

It’s a sad joke.The thread is a nothing burger.4th grade stuff.

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4rh grade. Now you're talking my language. Thanks for helping me out.

I’m curious (but too lazy) to look at the Mountain West teams non con schedule. That league is our peer, although obviously a step above A10 the past few years. Do those teams also have sad out of conference schedules? Or have they been able to schedule well this year? Would tell us if our hunch that Power 5 schools are avoiding the top mid major programs is a real thing or just an A10 scheduling problem

1. Anderson
2. Gilyard
3. Cline
4. Anthony
5. Harper
6. Burton
7. Gonzalvez
8. Lindsay
9. Golden
10. King

32counter said:

It’s a sad joke.The thread is a nothing burger.4th grade stuff.

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Yes, you’ve routinely made your superiority over the rest of us clear with your repeated snide comments.

I guess you don't like train wrecks.

Tell me all about the scouting reports on W&M and VMI, 32. That should be a December week of games that really energizes the fan base.

SFspidur said:

Feel free to talk about the other 28 games if you like. Or don't follow the thread.

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It’s a sad joke.The thread is a nothing burger.4th grade stuff.

Stats actually indicate a meager but very sad 31% of 1260 posts mention the MTE games. The Mount Olive game is running alone in 2nd place.

Also please note this board much prefers “a watched pot never boils”.

Feel free to talk about the other 28 games if you like. Or don't follow the thread.

1,260 posts about 3 non existent games.What about the other 28 games?Talk about having idle time chasing windmills…Sad.

Please, not shilling for anyone

Has been a fierce partisan debate over crime - Up? or Down?

Just throw out two articles for information and consideration:


Many won't like the second source, forget the partisan spin and pay attention to the government stats cited:

I feel like there are some other people we are forgetting but of course can't think of any of the top of my head. In my view, KA is #1 and Gilyard is #2. Then maybe Cline and Golden. Gonzo needs to move up the list. I thnk I'd move Burton down some. And move K0 up. And I'd move King down because as exciting as he was, we have no idea if he would have just been a one hit wonder. For me, longevity counts.

That's disappointing. I hope someone else snaps him up but I had hoped for the Spider connection to work in his favor. Does he have more Spider records than Coach Atkinson