"Well, the bottom line is that we weren't making the NCAAs as an at-large anyway, so I guess it's good to know we don't have to sweat out every game the rest of the way. We have a few months for these guys to figure out how to play together in this system and for the staff to figure out how to maximize their individual abilities in such a way that we stop getting embarrassed by bad teams. And if we get hot, maybe we can win 4 games in 4 days again and go dancing. If not, at least it will be baseball season by then."


And we have the Spider ladies who are a legit national story!

VT4700 said:

We won @ No Iowa in Dec, 2021. Since then, we have lost on the road to Charleston, Toledo, W&M in 2022 and BC, Wichita St, and No Iowa last year. So, last night's loss was the 7th straight road OOC loss.

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8th. Remember we got blasted by Va Tech on road in NIT. Not a traditional Nov or Dec OOC game but a true road game that counts.

97spiderfan said:

I'm beginning to think our OOC was more of an intentional decision by the coaching staff, rather than the message we have been told, that they couldn't do any better.

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Eh, I think Mooney is even embarassed by this schedule & also the two non d1 games. I said this before, but if you schedule hard and take some lumps some year, who cares. No need for Moon to worry, he's lifetime coach. Better to lose against good national teams than the dregs too. But the biggest thing is you set a precedent u set a culture with schedule. And u get connections for future, maybe u get into a 2 for 1 deal for instance. So if we did do that it's actually hurting u for future when u do have a team that can win.

If he does this he will not pass much of his policy. He will use up all of his good will and political favors on these witch hunts.

Section9.RowD said:

Another reality is that Brandon Jennings, St Chris grad, is thriving it would seem at VCU especially defensively. While not starting, playing 20+ min a game partly because Zeb Jackson is injured but clearly a good recruit by them. I could easily see Brandon staying around VCU through graduation given his mother has multiple degrees from VCU etc.

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btw is Odom a systems coach?

He had like 4 guys at VCU when he started.

SFspidur said:

Wasn't really in the mood to put this together last night. Hope I'm not missing anybody.

- Andre Weir - Started but only played 15 minutes in an easy win over NAIA Bryan, had 8 points and 5 boards.
- Malcolm Dread - Once again DNP as Mount St. Mary's softened up Bucknell for us with a double OT win.
- BB Washington - DNP in FGCU's loss to Bona. So far this season he has only played the final 24 seconds of their loss to TCU.

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Is Dread Moon's biggest freshman recruit miss? I think he's even behind the kid who went to Lindenwood. Dread went to the great Gonzaga after all so I had to be nice, and Covid didn't help, but I remember posting back then how surprised I was when UR took him.

23 - it's ok we definitely talked about Kenny in 21-22' on here when we were struggling & Mooney was possibly, barely, just a teensy weensy bit on the hot seat. think back to the Petition Guy! right b4 our A10 run to ncaa. And yeah I don't think any of us thought good chance Kenny A would leave NBA at that point, but u make the call regardless, maybe he has a recommendation or insight into program too, maybe just plants a seed for the future if something changes down the road with NBA. Forward thinking. And universally I think the feeling was Hardt wasn't even capable of doing that much.

urfan1 said:

I believe our passing has been late or to wrong spot for receiver to have reasonable opportunity.

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We came out the 1st possession last night and everything looked good and fast. Ball movement, spacing, and screeing was all good. Unfortunately, I think that was our best looking possession of the night.

We won @ No Iowa in Dec, 2021. Since then, we have lost on the road to Charleston, Toledo, W&M in 2022 and BC, Wichita St, and No Iowa last year. So, last night's loss was the 7th straight road OOC loss.

Captain Anderson said:

I heard Bob Black mention on the radio broadcast last night that we haven't won a (true) non-conference road game since December of 2021? Is that true? Coach Mooney keeps mentioning that this is a really good shooting team and I wouldn't be surprised if we see that on Saturday against Bucknell...at some point this season more of those open looks will fall so I'm actually less "sky is falling" after last night. Most basketball teams cannot overcome absolutely terrible shooting but with our program we really have no other options or hope if our outside shots aren't falling...Charlotte's weren't falling either last night so they aggressively drove to the basket, drew fouls, and hit the offensive glass. I would love to at least have that option in play but at this point we all know what to expect and can't even be upset when those things don't happen.

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Oh, captain my captain. Crash.

I believe our passing has been late or to wrong spot for receiver to have reasonable opportunity.

I heard Bob Black mention on the radio broadcast last night that we haven't won a (true) non-conference road game since December of 2021? Is that true? Coach Mooney keeps mentioning that this is a really good shooting team and I wouldn't be surprised if we see that on Saturday against Bucknell...at some point this season more of those open looks will fall so I'm actually less "sky is falling" after last night. Most basketball teams cannot overcome absolutely terrible shooting but with our program we really have no other options or hope if our outside shots aren't falling...Charlotte's weren't falling either last night so they aggressively drove to the basket, drew fouls, and hit the offensive glass. I would love to at least have that option in play but at this point we all know what to expect and can't even be upset when those things don't happen.

urfan1 said:

time for a players only meeting?

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I would imagine Hunt has or will do that, but my fear is we just aren't that good and no meeting will help. It's early and I hope I am wrong.

In fact, I predict that Trump will prosecute the prosecutors and their enablers- Jack Smith, Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg, Letitia James and Juan Marchan, to name a few, will be investigated, probed and prosecuted. These are the rogue abusers of lawfare, who trafficked in lies and received benefits paid to them or their families.

spider23 said:

So far my worst fears coming through: Last year was an abberation - Mooney had three tough minded athletic/defenders/rebounders in Dji, Bigs, and Harris - which drove the defensive mindset. Which seemed to have been instilled somewhat by Boyden the year before.
Now our team seems to have zero identity - other than Hunt - and he can't do it all. Hunt and King were tough hard nosed defenders last year too - and Quinn used his size well.
It's early, but the interviews and messaging I hear from our fearless mooniocrity scream lack of urgency.

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I wouldn't worry too much about what you hear from interviews. Mooney will always be a player's coach and we have heard from guys that he does show urgency and does get on guys. He just doesn't do that during interviews. Never has and never will. His interviews have no effect on how we play because he likely tells the guys something else in the locker room.

No doubt we miss the defense we lost a lot, but I think we miss the offense we lost a lot more. King averaged 18 a game and shot 41.4% from 3 on with high volume ( 80 made 3s). Bigs averaged 11.2 a game and made 48 3s at 37.2%. Their games allowed Dji to drive to the basket and average 10.2 a game.

time for a players only meeting?

Trump played the bi-partisan game the first time around, it only caused him endless fights with the deep state, a 3-year investigation of Russia collusion, 2 impeachments, extended attacks of lawfare after he left office, and millions of dollars.

This best explains Trump's pick of Gaetz:

"Gaetz is a loyal, longtime adviser, an acid-tongued debate champ, and—perhaps most important to the oft-investigated former and future president—an aggrieved target of the feds. Gaetz was the subject of a federal sex-crime probe that he survived and labeled a Deep State fix.

As Trump began formulating the type of individual he wanted atop the DOJ, he was drawn to those attributes and to the idea that Gaetz would help him investigate the investigators.

“The hunters have become the hunted,” a Gaetz confidant said.

there are a lot of good players and good teams in Division 1, 23, and they compete nightly.

Really psyched about the Cavs 13-0 start. The Nets were my favorite team when Kenny coached them and they were fun to watch and cheer for. Same thing now with Cleveland. My new favorite team and a fun team to watch and cheer for.

Wasn't really in the mood to put this together last night. Hope I'm not missing anybody.

- Andre Weir - Started but only played 15 minutes in an easy win over NAIA Bryan, had 8 points and 5 boards.
- Malcolm Dread - Once again DNP as Mount St. Mary's softened up Bucknell for us with a double OT win.
- BB Washington - DNP in FGCU's loss to Bona. So far this season he has only played the final 24 seconds of their loss to TCU.

spider23 said:

Ok now want to see Hunt, White, either Nesko or Glou, Robinson and Soulis.
GW3 and McGlothin getting a chance. Walz and Beagle earn minutes. May as well try to build for a10 tourney.

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Not only build, but this could actually be a better lineup for us by game 1 of A-10 play. I don't think starting Tyne and Tanner with Hunt will ever work. I hope I am wrong, but Tanner looks a lot like Noyes did, and I will leave it at that. Tyne was 1-5 from 3 and at some point we might have to say he is just not a good 3 point guy, and at his size, he really needs to be, especially starting with Hunt.

VT4700 said:

My goodness, taking a jab at people on here who support our coach, our players, and our program? How dare us, right? Geez, where are we? Well, I'm right here. Let me ask where are some of you guys when we have success? The board has way less messages when we win. Way less.

As for the game, I will say what I said after the Marist game. I am way more concerned about our offense than defense. We are gonna have a hard time scoring this year. We were 3-21 from 3 and took way too many mid range 2s last night. Way way too many. Very few guys can create their own shot. Without better 3 point shooting, the defense will continue to make things hard for our bigs and hard for us to get to the basket and draw fouls. I won't get into each player now, but a lot of guys need to play a lot better for us to have success.

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I'll get into it.

Guards - Shooting has been awful, defense bad. I don't understand the obsession with White here on the board, he's quick but that's all I've seen so far. Tyne's 3 still looks good and doesn't go in. He's still small. Hunt is not a #1 scorer (or really a PG to me) and his shooting reflects this. GWIII and Graham not in regular rotation. Contrary to some, I do believe that the small guards are an issue if you ONLY have small guards. Getting bullied on drives, other teams guards are lighting it up with clear eye lines on their shots. This is why we are so bad IMO. Moonball demands good guard play and we do not have it. Think of all the end of shot clock possessions where the ball gets reset bc Moonball passing game leads to nothing. The lead guard has to be a creator in those times. I like DLo but he's not at the level of KA, Gilyard or King, not nearly. He's a complementary scorer.

Centers - jumping spots here bc it's an important spot in Moonball. Walz needs an offensive move bc without one he is indecisive in the post. He'd rather shoot a 16 foot jumper IMO. He said he's being counted on to score, but he's not doing it or looking to do it. He's not shown willingness to guard the perimeter effectively. Beagle - he can score around the rim. He also gives up as much/more on defense as he scores and isn't the passer Moon requires from the high post. Turnovers killing him.

Dusan - gets his own line here bc he has been what I thought he'd be. Guy who can score points, maybe inconsistent on defense.

Wings - Roche, nothing new here. Makes shots or doesn't play, depending on how Moon feels. Tanner - looks comfortable shooting 17 foot jumpers, 3s less so, haven't seen ability to get to the rim off the dribble. Liability on defense. AP - better on defense than I'd expect, likely bc he's 6'8" and has been able to tip passes and block shots. Still lateral quickness issues. Nice looking shot, needs better looks and better results.

Graham, Soulis, GWIII - not in rotation

Freshmen - redshirting. Contrary to board, I am behind this now, why waste them if this season is tanking already.

Section9.RowD said:

Another reality is that Brandon Jennings, St Chris grad, is thriving it would seem at VCU especially defensively. While not starting, playing 20+ min a game partly because Zeb Jackson is injured but clearly a good recruit by them. I could easily see Brandon staying around VCU through graduation given his mother has multiple degrees from VCU etc.

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our guy would have coached that defensive tenacity right out of him

I thought you were going to say they removed the men's basketball section

VT4700 said:

My goodness, taking a jab at people on here who support our coach, our players, and our program? How dare us, right? Geez, where are we? Well, I'm right here. Let me ask where are some of you guys when we have success? The board has way less messages when we win. Way less.

As for the game, I will say what I said after the Marist game. I am way more concerned about our offense than defense. We are gonna have a hard time scoring this year. We were 3-21 from 3 and took way too many mid range 2s last night. Way way too many. Very few guys can create their own shot. Without better 3 point shooting, the defense will continue to make things hard for our bigs and hard for us to get to the basket and draw fouls. I won't get into each player now, but a lot of guys need to play a lot better for us to have success.

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You are shameless. Getting high off your own Mooniocrity supply for so long you don't even know what you are arguing anymore, emboldened by the losses 😏