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Mens - Davidson @RC - Sat 1/25 6pm ESPN+

GKiller
mojo-spider said:
you nailed it for me Ferrum...if we couldn't build a team more successful than this one coming off a 23-10 season and with some fairly recent A-10 and NCAA Tournament success, how in the heck will we build one coming off of this woeful season.

Other than possible immediate playing time, there's not really a compelling reason to come to our program that I can think of...total rebuild situation, no big NIL $, unusual basketball philosophy that takes time to meld, etc. etc.

you're right that in 2017 and 2018 seasons Golden, Gilyard, Sherrod and company gave us hope for the future...if our two red shirts can't break this lineup, I hope our three incoming freshmen are stronger than anything we've seen since Burton...otherwise to future looks awful dim...

the timing of this collapse could not be worse...with college basketball radically changing, we sit at NET #242...with very little credible leverage within the changing environment...it's a terrible place to be and very sad!

I hope I've got enough seasons left to see us climb out of this hole!

Go Spiders!
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It’s sad mojo. That’s why I expect to hear it’s all about the 2 redshirts - 2 guys who apparently weren’t ready to help this year - and the incoming frosh. Next best class. Catch ncaa lightning in a bottle. Maybe in 3 years. We give Moon all the rope he wants to catch it. Why we r so accepting of being that kind of program is what’s so tough to take.
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SouthJerseySpiderFan said:
Okay more importantly for me getter closing to the big game! So who we rooting for today? I believe my vote won't be in the majority. 😀
EAGLES!
With Daniels running the show down there for the foreseeable future, thinking Philly's best opportunity is now getting to NFC champ game.
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R u sure that’s how they spell it in Philly? Tho Richmond PR does it the same way…

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Mens - Davidson @RC - Sat 1/25 6pm ESPN+

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Ferrum Spider said:
Its so hard to watch this team. Even when we were bad those two years under Mooney in 17 and 18 there was some hope they'd develop into something and they did. With the NIL landscape that's gone so were stuck with watching a team that is not good and will have to do it all again next year when half this team will have moved on. All while having the same rhetoric from Hardt's PR squad that everything is fine.
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you nailed it for me Ferrum...if we couldn't build a team more successful than this one coming off a 23-10 season and with some fairly recent A-10 and NCAA Tournament success, how in the heck will we build one coming off of this woeful season.

Other than possible immediate playing time, there's not really a compelling reason to come to our program that I can think of...total rebuild situation, no big NIL $, unusual basketball philosophy that takes time to meld, etc. etc.

you're right that in 2017 and 2018 seasons Golden, Gilyard, Sherrod and company gave us hope for the future...if our two red shirts can't break this lineup, I hope our three incoming freshmen are stronger than anything we've seen since Burton...otherwise to future looks awful dim...

the timing of this collapse could not be worse...with college basketball radically changing, we sit at NET #242...with very little credible leverage within the changing environment...it's a terrible place to be and very sad!

I hope I've got enough seasons left to see us climb out of this hole!

Go Spiders!
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Mooney and winning

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MrTbone said:
This comment is not designed to provide any kind of excuse for what the coach is obliged to do, but, I suspect it’s hard to simply change style/philosophy on the fly. I suspect these guys are drilled to play a certain way and consistently unlearn that and do something else isn’t a light switch.

But i am inexpert when it comes to the intricacies of basketball. Going after offensive rebounds feels mostly instinctual to me and less about strategy/gameplanning.
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Mooney is probably one of a few coaches that employees this strategy. Maybe his philosophy causes the disjointed offense because these guys have to unlearn something they've been taught since peewee basketball.
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RankPreviousSchoolConferenceRecordRoadNeutralWABQuad 1Quad 2Quad 3Quad 4
155152DuquesneAtlantic 108-101-22-30-02-34-42-3
156151Loyola ChicagoAtlantic 1011-72-20-40-11-32-38-0
168169La Salle Atlantic 1010-92-51-30-21-35-44-0
195196MassachusettsAtlantic 108-112-30-40-21-31-26-4
241245FordhamAtlantic 107-111-51-20-20-32-35-3
242238RichmondAtlantic 105-131-61-10-20-12-63-4

Usually only looking at kenpom but damn this so disappointing. Thinking team should have won more Q3 and especially Q4 wins but guess Mooney's club is a Q4. Okay other 9 A10 teams are higher ranked but quick math shows 69-4 against Q4 opponents.

Quick observation on three holdover players I thought would be keys to success this season.
1) Tyne quickly showed last year deserved time that was suppose to go to Smith. Unfortunately if he was an assist dishing PG, running the show, maybe live with him out there? Last 4 without Hunt 8A/8TO isn't doing it. I see the him producing the same as J Nelson?
2) Walz showing more of late and still hopeful he can help Mooney for the next 2+ years?
3) Tanner only going by hope this year but not seeing a productive A10 player?








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Mooney and winning

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Is Monney more interested in winning any legal way possible or winning the Mooney way? I only ask because it seems logical that if you have a team that doesn't shoot very well most of the time it would be a good idea to try to get as many shots per game as possible. If that is true why does he not only NOT encourage offensive rebounding, he seems to discourage it. It is true that he has had the luxury of several teams that were decent outside shooters. However, that is not the case this year. Last night against a much smaller Davidson team not once did we try to put more bigger guys closer to the basket than they did. We didn't double team their only big scorer nor did we try to get some putbacks on our missed shots. Of course some will say, yeah but we shot 47 percent. To which I reply yeah but we lost the game. Maybe, just maybe two or three offensive rebounds might have resulted in layups or foul shots. At what point does it become clear that what ever way he is trying to win this year just isn't working with this particular team. Would these same players have a better record if they had been encouraged to follow their own shot as well as some of their teammates shots?
VCU is not a great shooting team but they are a tremendous offensive rebounding team. Does offensive rebounding only work for them? There are ten more games to go. Wonder what would happen if trying to win another way would be worth a try instead of only winning the Mooney way?
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Mens - Davidson @RC - Sat 1/25 6pm ESPN+

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MrTbone said:
So while I often find ways that I disapprove of CMs strategy, I did say to my friend at halftime “whatever he’s doing is working”, we were up. I mean, we couldn’t stop Bailey but Durkin had been a non factor.

Then things kind of fell apart at several points, so I don’t know if we tried to play 3D chess or Davidson figured some things out.

I will say that there are still questionable decisions around our guard selections. B. Artis gave us 27 minutes and was a non factor on offense, although I’m glad he only took one 3pt shot. I still think the Prez could tilt things in our favor if he had more than a minute. I honestly don’t know why CM bothers if he’s not going to let him play thru a mistake here or there.
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And if I recall, that shot was an airball. Not great.
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The Fight in Ukraine and its Heroes

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This is a very good talk about the rationale for peace between Russia and Ukraine. The war will not end kinetic, by the parties killing each other. Gen. Kellogg noted that Russia fights wars by throwing bodies at it. For example, they lost over 700,000 men at Stalingrad.

Only remember that Russia signed a mutual defense treaty with North Korea, which is sending troops, arms, ammunition and equipment to prop up Putin.

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Mens - Davidson @RC - Sat 1/25 6pm ESPN+

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At least in the second half and especially the last 5 minutes, Davidson looked like they knew what to do on offense and they did it. The Spiders pass the ball around and around the perimeter with no meaning then as the clock winds down its desparation. Why not stick to what you were doing earlier in the game? Also, every Spider missed 3 is a turnover. Imagine if just a few of those misses resulted in a Spider rebound-game changer.
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Coaching incompetence

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AnnapSpider said:
I know -Mooney’s never brought in any good players. When King was knocking ‘em down last year
I guess you brought him on board.
BTW-I am a homer; I always root for the Spiders . Who do you root for?
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Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look trying to prop up Mooniocrity while we are literally in the middle of getting our teeth kicked in? Do you even watch the games or is it as long as your guy is the coach that's all that matters?
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Mens - Davidson @RC - Sat 1/25 6pm ESPN+

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VegasSpider said:
Yeah, I appreciate the feedback. Obviously, the other guy I was talking about was Walz... hes been terrific IMO... and looks like hes getting better.

That being said, I actually find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that Beagle has a higher block or defensive rebounding rate than AP... but fair enough. Its somewhat irrelevant since Walz and Beagle playing together isn't the debate since that's only happened maybe once or twice this year (and I think by accident LOL). The question in my mind is.... who do you play with either one of them...... AP or one of the off guards? And... it's who would we have benefited from the most considering that Bailey was basically the only threat on the court the entire night on the other side.... and you would literally have to have all three of them (B Artis, Tyne, and Tanner) in there to not have AP on the court also AND it happened the ENTIRE second part of the second half. I'm completely lost at some of the decisions being made regarding our rotation at this point. I start asking myself .... did Roche or AP get hurt at some point that I didn't see?
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Could have at least put AP on Dunkin’ with some more height and quickness.
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AnnapSpider said:
Since you weren’t the person I responded to, you need to pay attention.
And what about last year?
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Last year, as usual moon had us out the gate slow and zero chance for NCAA bid. Again. Repeated pattern. Great regular season, until over celebrated and fell on his face with opportunity to clinch sole possession of A10 title. Then early exit in A10. And same in NIT. Next question.
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fan2011 said:
I mean, statistically both Walz and Beagle have higher block rates and defensive rebounding rates than AP, but I get your point. Walz is #18 in the country in defensive rebounding rate.
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Yeah, I appreciate the feedback. Obviously, the other guy I was talking about was Walz... hes been terrific IMO... and looks like hes getting better.

That being said, I actually find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that Beagle has a higher block or defensive rebounding rate than AP... but fair enough. Its somewhat irrelevant since Walz and Beagle playing together isn't the debate since that's only happened maybe once or twice this year (and I think by accident LOL). The question in my mind is.... who do you play with either one of them...... AP or one of the off guards? And... it's who would we have benefited from the most considering that Bailey was basically the only threat on the court the entire night on the other side.... and you would literally have to have all three of them (B Artis, Tyne, and Tanner) in there to not have AP on the court also AND it happened the ENTIRE second part of the second half. I'm completely lost at some of the decisions being made regarding our rotation at this point. I start asking myself .... did Roche or AP get hurt at some point that I didn't see?
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