spiderman said:

good to see Tyler Burton at the game.
which reminds me ... did you see Villanova lost to Columbia last night???

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Yes. Columbia was the better team. But Nova hasn't been Right since Wright left. (directional sentence)

Complete Game: Offense, Defense, Rebounding- Love it!
UR 101 Mt. Olive 68.
Mount Olive took 71 shots. UR took 59 shots- indicates efficient Spider shooting and great D.
Spiders had 47 rebounds-keep it up!

Tanner is showing you can go from essentially redshirting to day-one starter the next season. Not sure if that impacts the current freshmen’s redshirt decision or not.

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Dji looked like he belonged. Made one defensive error early but was locked in after that. That entire team is trigger happy and jacks up a lot of bad shots, but Dji was more than happy to wait until he could find a good shot. He’s still as efficient as he was here. Clearly a key component of this LSU team’s March Madness chances.

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Dji continued right where he left off last year. Extreme efficiency and great defense. SEC is very, very strong this year. I think if LSU finishes above .500 in conference they make the tournament, but that could be tough.

spiderman said:

do I sense sarcasm? I see this as a strength of Mooney and his staff. it's building a relationship with a kid and his parents. it doesn't work if it's only about the best interest of the coach and his program. you want a coach who honestly wants what's best for the kid. that's the family bond and team chemistry Mooney gets credit for.

Mooney may not actually WANT the kid to take the redshirt year. in fact, he probably wants a kid to say "I'll burn it" like Tanner did. but in some cases, when you have enough upper class talent in front of them, you give the kid the choice. kids only get 4 years to play. hate to waste one for a few minutes.

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No, your spidey sense is off here. it was not sarcasm at all.

but r u trying to tell me something lol.

spiderman said:

if you're recruiting a guy who doesn't have that dog mentality even in a redshirt year, then you're recruiting the wrong guy.
these are D1 athletes. the good ones are competitive as hell. even the ones that redshirt.

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Oh I agree any D-1 athletes are super competitive. But we all know a "dog" when you see one, they have another gear of competitiveness and drive, taking any slight as motivation to be better. Jordan King, dog, Kendall Anthony, dog, Kevin Anderson, dog. We've had lesser players with the same mentality too.

Jordan and Kobe were the ultimate dogs. Their talent alone would have made them perennial all stars, but their singular, unwavering drive to never back down, to treat every single practice as Game 7 is what set them apart.

I'm going to be curious as to who wears that mantle on this team.

good to see Tyler Burton at the game.
which reminds me ... did you see Villanova lost to Columbia last night???

Dji looked like he belonged. Made one defensive error early but was locked in after that. That entire team is trigger happy and jacks up a lot of bad shots, but Dji was more than happy to wait until he could find a good shot. He’s still as efficient as he was here. Clearly a key component of this LSU team’s March Madness chances.

GKiller said:

It’s admirable we have best interest of kid in mind.

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do I sense sarcasm? I see this as a strength of Mooney and his staff. it's building a relationship with a kid and his parents. it doesn't work if it's only about the best interest of the coach and his program. you want a coach who honestly wants what's best for the kid. that's the family bond and team chemistry Mooney gets credit for.

Mooney may not actually WANT the kid to take the redshirt year. in fact, he probably wants a kid to say "I'll burn it" like Tanner did. but in some cases, when you have enough upper class talent in front of them, you give the kid the choice. kids only get 4 years to play. hate to waste one for a few minutes.

I think NIL makes things also more complex. A potential of 5 years of NIL earnings versus 4—especially when that fifth year could be at age 23—is a reasonable consideration for most 18-year-olds and their families. For a strong post-grad player, the NIL potential may rival what they’d make in a secondary league in Europe or Asia, with the added benefit of being a star in an exciting college environment. Just my two cents.

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I'm enjoying being 1-0 thanks to LaSalle. I've had a hard time finding games I like since then. Maybe I'll come back with Spiders once I see Saturday's line....

Another part of this is that Mooney is really betting on a shift back to the importance of developing 4-year players as opposed to grabbing multiple impact players from the portal every single year. He's mentioned it multiple times this offseason. I somewhat agree with him given that the COVID extra year is gone after this season and there will be far less kids in the portal moving forward, but it's still so easy for a player to move on the second something happens that they don't like.

If he's confident that he can keep these redshirts out of the portal, then I understand the strategy. Like VT said though, these are 18/19 year olds and things can change at any moment.

It’s admirable we have best interest of kid in mind. Odds r 1 of the 2 frosh might not be as good as we thought. Hope not but just math and nature of recruiting that u will miss. And if they even get thru 4 years, the odds definitely go way up to leave as grad transfer because they have the degree. unless u have some killer situation & team returning u r more likely to see what's out there especially with pay for play fake NIL.

Yes we had all those 5th year guys from Covid but they came in same 1-2 year cycle - Golden (6 years) Gilyard, Cayo Goose Grace. Maybe they were just a tight group. Take that group away and it's not great success for other 5th years - Ododa Fore Burton Dji. & I agree with 4700 it's hard to compare otherwise with the previous sit out transfer era.

My main objection is we aren't hitting on enough frosh that u can't keep off court. That's the hard part. It's 1 thing if we have a great deep team, but tbd. If we r so deep & good they can't help us, fine take the redshirt. but if they help u be a better team u don't. With Mooney having a lifetime contract might have a different perspective. Tho personally imo when u r looking at 3 for 20 NCAA I don't know how.

& it is one of Traps fav subjects but imo he's right on this one...we regularly over inflate our depth. Maybe this is the year we have it. But we have guys w prior injuries like B Artis Soulis & Roche. doesn't even factor a new injury which is likely over course of season. if burn the shirt later u r worse off. and like 23 I'm concerned about D. The two frosh I thought had the body type/athleticism to help there. McGlothin is thin but Durant like wingspan which helps if quick enough. so felt like at least 1 of the 2 brought something we may lack.

I do agree with sman we might see more developmental redshirts in future with 15 ships tho

97spiderfan said:

I also think there is a mental side to the redshirt decision. You have guys like Tanner and Randolph who kind of took a bet on themselves that they could play. That is a dog mentality, which I like. Also, once you redshirt, I have to think it takes a bit out of the desire to compete 100% ALL of the time in practice when you know you are going to play. If you are not redshirting, have to think you are taking every opportunity you get in practice to impress the coaches to maybe get your shot. Again, shows the dog mentality.

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if you're recruiting a guy who doesn't have that dog mentality even in a redshirt year, then you're recruiting the wrong guy.
these are D1 athletes. the good ones are competitive as hell. even the ones that redshirt.

The election is over. The American people have exercised their opportunity to vote and chose who they wanted. Thankful we live in a democracy or more accurately a democratic republic. Have trouble understanding the mindset that if one didn't support my candidate criticism is poured out. Every human being is fallible and the best place for each of us to direct criticism is at ourselves. It is called "humility" and rarely seen. It is one of the reasons I have great respect for former UVA coach Tony Bennett.

97spiderfan said:

Not a huge fan of the redshirt now with the portal. But also understand that if a player is not going to get much PT that why they may decide to go this route. I get these two mixed up but I know one of them had a lot of hype on hear as a player who had a college ready body and could make an immediate impact this year. Apparently, that was a bit hyperbolic.

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not sure it was hyperbolic. Robinson might be the best athlete on the team. and he's strong enough for college ball. just too many guys in front of him right now. the redshirt year is time for him to work on his shot and his game.

I think this final covid year with so many grad transfers showing up on teams will likely add up to more freshmen redshirting.
and when scholarships increase to 15, it will be even tougher for freshmen to earn 1st year playing time, so developmental redshirting may be back permanently.

I also think there is a mental side to the redshirt decision. You have guys like Tanner and Randolph who kind of took a bet on themselves that they could play. That is a dog mentality, which I like. Also, once you redshirt, I have to think it takes a bit out of the desire to compete 100% ALL of the time in practice when you know you are going to play. If you are not redshirting, have to think you are taking every opportunity you get in practice to impress the coaches to maybe get your shot. Again, shows the dog mentality.

I do understand looking at the roster, knowing you are a freshman, knowing we brought in a senior transfers who plays your spot for a year and understand the odds aren't great.

Not a huge fan of the redshirt now with the portal. But also understand that if a player is not going to get much PT that why they may decide to go this route. I get these two mixed up but I know one of them had a lot of hype on hear as a player who had a college ready body and could make an immediate impact this year. Apparently, that was a bit hyperbolic.

brooklyn brownstone said:

haha this is the exact same discussion had when Marcus Randolph didn't redshirt and was now a sophomore vs. Jason Nelson, Dread and Noyes all redshirting. We lost all of them anyway, redshirt or not.

I think it's just a player and his family keeping the option open to having 4 years to play actual basketball in games, with an option to maybe get a free grad degree out of it if a pro career option doesn't pan out (and now to get an additional year of NIL!!!) Some guys like Randolph and Tanner bet on themselves and that's fine too.

The thing to remember is that each year/situation may be different. Tanner maybe looked at the roster and saw more immediate opportunity in his future, so chose not to redshirt last year.

But in looking at this year's team, if the coaches are honest with the players and tell them they are unlikely to see the court because of the experience and depth above them BUT that guys like Roche and Dusan will graduate and there will be real opportunity next year to get minutes (likely as backups to Tanner and AP), then it's fair to expect them to take a full year of opportunity down the line rather than a few minutes of (likely garbage time) ball this year.

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I definitely get what you are saying, and while I get we need to worry about a kid's interests and what is best for him, I don't think we know what is best for them right now. Like you said, every case is different. So, as a coach, with the way the transfer rules are now, I am going to look out for the program here, and IMO, you need to keep your freshman as involved and as part of the team as possible, even if it just means 5 games and 20 some minutes like Tanner got last year. I am not concerned with whether or not a few minutes helps a guy on the court the following year because it likely doesn’t, but what it does do is keep them involved and maybe puts any possible transfer thoughts on the back burner.

Now, if the player and family are the ones asking to redshirt, then of course you 100% redshirt them in this situation where they won't be part of the rotation, but, while I would always be honest with guys about what playing looks like that year, I would not go to them and the parents and initiate any redshirt talk.

I'm gonna start following this as the season progresses. My take is the books make a lot of money off of early season hoops because no one has a real read on teams yet, espicially with the portal. I won't start betting on college hoops probably till mid December.

haha this is the exact same discussion had when Marcus Randolph didn't redshirt and was now a sophomore vs. Jason Nelson, Dread and Noyes all redshirting. We lost all of them anyway, redshirt or not.

I think it's just a player and his family keeping the option open to having 4 years to play actual basketball in games, with an option to maybe get a free grad degree out of it if a pro career option doesn't pan out (and now to get an additional year of NIL!!!) Some guys like Randolph and Tanner bet on themselves and that's fine too.

The thing to remember is that each year/situation may be different. Tanner maybe looked at the roster and saw more immediate opportunity in his future, so chose not to redshirt last year.

But in looking at this year's team, if the coaches are honest with the players and tell them they are unlikely to see the court because of the experience and depth above them BUT that guys like Roche and Dusan will graduate and there will be real opportunity next year to get minutes (likely as backups to Tanner and AP), then it's fair to expect them to take a full year of opportunity down the line rather than a few minutes of (likely garbage time) ball this year.