Out of 124
16:0
15:7
14:20
13:24
12&11 get tricky because the first game isn't always against 5&6
Wins and recruiting: who makes the most with the least.
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16:0
15:7
14:20
13:24
12&11 get tricky because the first game isn't always against 5&6
Exactly.
Last year where did we finish in conference?
This year - Davidson is where in the conference this year, and where are we?
Yet their coach gets too much credit? Not getting that at all. Their coach seems to be proving himself as a consistent winner & adapting well in the move to A10.
Mckillop is overrated because he takes his teams to too many NCAA's, Mooney is underrated because he doesn't take his teams to enough NCAA's.
You misunderstand my point. The original question was who does the most with the least talent. I'm not judging the coach or even the socon, I'm saying it would be very difficult to do any kind of apples to apples comparison given the variables in recruit ratings, conference strengths, ooc scheduling, etc.
McKillop is overrated if people assume that if he was hired by Wake Forest that they would the same number of regular season conference championships in the next 20 years that Davidson has in the last 20.
Although I think he is a good coach, not sure it translates that directly.
Although I think he is a good coach, not sure it translates that directly.
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I don't know how to make it any plainer. Out of 124 true first round games (not play in games) for each seed.
16 seed 0 of 124 0.00%
15 seed 7 of 124 5.65%
14 seed 20 of 124 16.13%
13 seed 25 of 124 20.16%
12 seed 44 of 124 35.48%
11 seed 43 of 124 33.87%
I'm not sure why this is worth arguing over, but...
Last season Old Miss was an 11, and BYU was an 11, and they played each other in the first game, not the 6 Xavier. So there have been more than 124 11 seeds. Both teams in a play in game for an 11 seed are considered an 11 seed.
It's pretty much a ridiculous exercise to criticize McKillop for going to the NCAAs 9 times, or whatever the number is. Considering that in all but one of those years, he HAD to win the conference tournament in order to go, and there are any number of crazy things that can and do happen in one-bid league tournaments like that, it's much more impressive that he was still able to win that many. I would imagine there were probably a few other times when he had the best team in the SoCon but was upset in the conference tourney and didn't get to go. I really don't know why we are even having this conversation at all.
Either because we don't have anything else to do...or we are shopping for a coach...who's buying?
No, they had a play in game to decide who would be the 11th seed and play the 6th seed. In your scenario several 16 seeds would have victories.
Umm i think if he were to win in the new acc w wake as many times as he won w Dav he would be the greatest coach in history. It will never happen w any team by any coach. Very silly point. I think if McKillop was at Wake he would win one or two acc tourneys, make 1 ff, 5 sweet 16's, and make the tourney 15 out of twenty years. We at Wake would then build him a statue and name the court after him.
It is all hypothetical. All I know is McKillop won the A-10 Davidson's first year in the league with basically SoCon level players and his team is also highly competitive again this year.
So, in the 1.5 years in the A-10 together, he is definitively had better outcomes for his team than Mooney has for his team. Mooney is still obviously the far superior coach though.
You know who also is overrated as a coach, that Archie Miller fella. Clearly, he is just living off the Brian Gregory legacy at Dayton. This is thread has become the Bizarro world of Superman.
So, in the 1.5 years in the A-10 together, he is definitively had better outcomes for his team than Mooney has for his team. Mooney is still obviously the far superior coach though.
You know who also is overrated as a coach, that Archie Miller fella. Clearly, he is just living off the Brian Gregory legacy at Dayton. This is thread has become the Bizarro world of Superman.
Still maintain that Mark Few has probably done the best job of this over the past 10-15 years or so. He took a no-name school in WA and turned them into a perennial NCAA team. He recruited some great players in the early years like Adam Morrison, Dan Dickau, and Ronny Turiaf and has made the Zags a destination program. Granted, they are not in a P5 conference, but I can't recall the last time Gonzaga has not been in the big dance.
Few is a great coach and recruiter, but Dan Fitzgerald and Dan Monson were the guys who really got things started at Gonzaga. Monson took them to the Elite 8, then left for Minnesota, where he failed, and Few continued the upward trajectory. In retrospect, Fitzgerald probably deserved most of the early credit, and Few has proven to be a better coach than Monson was.
Mark Few's winning percentage at Gonzaga is .809, puts him somewhere between John Wooden and Adolph Rupp on the all-time list. McKillop is not even in the same neighborhood as Few. And Few did this mostly with 3 and 4 star recruits and some international players.
Now that would really set the table for all those that believe in "tough travel" excuses.
