What should the billboard say this year?

[spiderman]

the billboard likely made it harder to fire CM. without the billboard, Hardt could have stood up and made a firing HIS decision. after the billboard, a firing would appear to be reactionary and weak.

no idea if Hardt would have done it last year or given CM one more season anyway, but I believe the billboard secured this last chance.

 

[SpiderTrap]

the billboard likely made it harder to fire CM. without the billboard, Hardt could have stood up and made a firing HIS decision. after the billboard, a firing would appear to be reactionary and weak.

no idea if Hardt would have done it last year or given CM one more season anyway, but I believe the billboard secured this last chance.

I can see that line of thinking, but if on one hand we are saying the billboard should not influence the AD's decision to FIRE the coach, then shouldn't it work the other way as well - it should sway his decision to KEEP the coach. In my mind - if you are strong in your decision - then just make it. But by this line of thinking, we are saying Jabba is weak because he let the billboard influence his decision to KEEP Mooney one more year.
In my opinion - don't think Hardt was going to get rid of him last year no matter what. I think the fact that it was till basically Hardt's first year - he was not going to make any drastic changes right away. And given Mooney by all accounts is well respected from his off the court dealings and really the only negative at this point is lack of winning - he was going to let this ride out. Can't blame him too much for it - since he probably didn't want to rock the boat too much right away.
And don't forget the 2nd piece of the equation - you have to have someone to replace Mooney and I wonder if he is just trying to move Nathan Davis here and thought one more year would be better.
He already hired the Bucknell women's basketball coach, and also brought along an AD for Leadership from Bucknell - so maybe he didn't want to look like he was taking everything Bucknell to UR.

 

[MrTbone]

It didn't "rally the team" - they went 2-5 down the stretch, 0-2 at home (with, you guessed it, two blown 2nd-half leads).
If anything, it hardened the resolve of the less vocal Mooney supporters.

I have no doubt Hardt's been getting an earful on this topic since he arrived. He's effectively tuned it out; this was just one more thing for him to ignore.

By "rally" I meant it caused the players to more vocally support the coach. It definitely didn't spur an improvement in results.

 

[spiderman]

I can see that line of thinking, but if on one hand we are saying the billboard should not influence the AD's decision to FIRE the coach, then shouldn't it work the other way as well - it should sway his decision to KEEP the coach. In my mind - if you are strong in your decision - then just make it. But by this line of thinking, we are saying Jabba is weak because he let the billboard influence his decision to KEEP Mooney one more year.

yeah, you may be right. it shouldn't affect Hardt either way. just one of many reasons why I'd make a bad AD! human nature would force me to be stubborn and not fire.

 

[SpiderTrap]

yeah, you may be right. it shouldn't affect Hardt either way. just one of many reasons why I'd make a bad AD! human nature would force me to be stubborn and not fire.

I thinks it common human nature - if someone says you can't do something, you want to do it. If someone says you should do something - you might think of another way to do it - despite what they say.
Either way - the big key is Mooney is our coach right now. The biggest part of the equation when and if they fire Mooney is who replaces him. AD's do very little in my mind - but the biggest responsibility they do have is hiring coaches. Hire the right coach - and the AD looks like the smarted man in the room. And if you hire the right coach and team keeps winning - you don't have to hire another one for a long time. (if you pay them and keep them)

 

[Eight Legger]

Let's see how the new women's coach does this year. If he kills it and Mooney Mooneys, just swap them.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Let's see how the new women's coach does this year. If he kills it and Mooney Mooneys, just swap them.

If he does well - the billboard might say "Hey Nathan - call UR maybe?"

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Put it up the week before December 14th and say "Welcome to Richmond, Earl. We hope you'll come back real soon."

 

[Not-A-Homer]

Those who believe Hardt has autonomy on the firing of a coach are fooling themselves. I am confident that he doesn't operate in a vacuum.

 

[spiderman]

agreed Homer, and of course. he doesn't get to make the call by himself to write that kind of check. just like Miller didn't make the call by himself to authorize a 10 year deal.

 

[MrTbone]

Hardt doesn’t have carte blanche but it also isn’t a decision by committee. I fully expect he gets to make a call on something like that. Of course he has to have a rational plan to address the buyout and similarly to hire an apt replacement and both would require Hale Or Crutcher’s signoff but that’s the job.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Hardt doesn't have full autonomy when it comes to firing a coach who is owed millions. But he is the CEO of the Athletic Department, and he is the one who can suggest to the administration and board - it would be in UR's best interest to cut ties now, and here is who I have to replace this coach. By all accounts - Crutcher is not involved in athletics, so he likely relies on the advice of his AD - Jabba. The second piece to the equation is the Board of Trustees - they would likely be involved in this decision because of the money involved - so hard to say which ones on that board are involved or could care less. We know Queally for sure would be heavily involved.
Correct - Hardt can't fire Mooney on his own. But he can bring forth a plan to his bosses if he thinks it should be done.

 

[72Spider]

Isn't there another person to whom Hardt answers? I remember the school hiring someone to interface between the AD and the president

 

[GaySpider]

Can't believe that our moderators let this stand. You are implying that the FMM supporters are racists. Not surprised by this, but come on, 05 and Fan1....

I can't stand this "playing the race card" crap, you just went on ignore bro.

Typical MAGA, blocks anyone who says what he does not like, then says "Everyone thinks like me and Fox News".
Enjoy your blinders.
Also, It looks like the mods are not as into censorship as you are.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Isn't there another person to whom Hardt answers? I remember the school hiring someone to interface between the AD and the president

That would be interesting - I don't remember seeing this, but given UR - its possible. I would think this is highly abnormal, as I think in most schools the AD reports to the President. But that is assuming the school cares about athletics - in UR situation, I can see this being a setup - but can't confirm.

 

[GaySpider]

That would be interesting - I don't remember seeing this, but given UR - its possible. I would think this is highly abnormal, as I think in most schools the AD reports to the President. But that is assuming the school cares about athletics - in UR situation, I can see this being a setup - but can't confirm.

Isn't it pretty much up to PQ?
Did Mooney pull PQ's mom out of a burning building or something?
All kidding aside, why is PQ such a big Mooney supporter?
I don't think I've ever seen a really clear explanation.

 

[3genspider]

Isn't there another person to whom Hardt answers? I remember the school hiring someone to interface between the AD and the president

Hardt repots to Hale.....EVP and COO

 

[spider fan]

Typical MAGA, blocks anyone who says what he does not like, then says "Everyone thinks like me and Fox News".
Enjoy your blinders.
Also, It looks like the mods are not as into censorship as you are.

Post this in Off Topics in the politics thread. Your posts started after the discussion about irrelevant political threads. I don't care about your political stances and I don't expect you to care about mine. Political comments add nothing of value to the message boards.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Hardt repots to Hale.....EVP and COO

Is this normal? To not have the AD report directly to the President?

Just a quick search.

VCU - AD reports to President.
Davidson - looks like AD reports to President on the President home page.
St. Joes - AD reports to President
William and Mary - AD Reports to president

The fact that we have a person between the AD and president just further tells me the University does not care that much about Athletics. It comes from the top and to me this is sending a message that it is not important.
Imagine if your boss told you that will no longer report to them, and instead put someone between you and him(her) - how would you feel?

 

[64Spider]

The addition of Hale was supposed to be the missing link between administration and athletics. The goal was to get everyone on the same page. Then they added another page !

 

[urmite]

Is this normal? To not have the AD report directly to the President?

Just a quick search.

VCU - AD reports to President.
Davidson - looks like AD reports to President on the President home page.
St. Joes - AD reports to President
William and Mary - AD Reports to president

The fact that we have a person between the AD and president just further tells me the University does not care that much about Athletics. It comes from the top and to me this is sending a message that it is not important.
Imagine if your boss told you that will no longer report to them, and instead put someone between you and him(her) - how would you feel?

Somehow when it was announced I thought Hale was an advocate for the AD to the President not a gatekeeper for the President to protect him from the AD.

https://www.richmond.com/sports/col...cle_254d5273-865c-57a5-a67c-989a3151cde8.html

The University of Richmond’s new athletics director will have the same job title, but be part of a modified Spiders sports hierarchy.

Richmond may identify its AD in November. Depending on the choice, the person selected could start immediately or not until January.

Dr. Ronald A. Crutcher, the school president, during the summer announced that Dave Hale rose on July 1 from vice president for business and finance to executive vice president and chief operating officer. In a letter to Spiders’ supporters, Crutcher wrote that “athletics will report on a day-to-day basis through Dave Hale.”

Generally speaking, those who work in the Robins Center view Hale’s involvement with athletics over approximately the past four months as a very positive development. Previously, Richmond athletics directors reported directly to the president.

“In our strategic plan, there’s a real focus on alumni engagement and President Crutcher expects to spend much more time externally,” Hale said Monday. “And so, in order for us to maintain our commitment to Division I athletics and ensure a high level of continued attention to athletics at the University of Richmond, he put this structure in place.”

 

[3genspider]

This will make your head hurt..
https://www.richmond.edu/about/org-charts/Administrative Org Chart.pdf
https://www.richmond.edu/about/org-charts/EVPCOOOrgChart.pdf

 

[GaySpider]

Post this in Off Topics in the politics thread. Your posts started after the discussion about irrelevant political threads. I don't care about your political stances and I don't expect you to care about mine. Political comments add nothing of value to the message boards.

Censoring political messages is taking a side.

Especially when you tell one person on one side that they need to be marginalized.

So don't pretend you're some "good people on both sides" even handed neutral.

Why don't you stop playing politics and look at things that you claim to care about, like my PQ question?

 

[SpiderTrap]

Somehow when it was announced I thought Hale was an advocate for the AD to the President not a gatekeeper for the President to protect him from the AD.

https://www.richmond.com/sports/col...cle_254d5273-865c-57a5-a67c-989a3151cde8.html

The University of Richmond’s new athletics director will have the same job title, but be part of a modified Spiders sports hierarchy.

Richmond may identify its AD in November. Depending on the choice, the person selected could start immediately or not until January.

Dr. Ronald A. Crutcher, the school president, during the summer announced that Dave Hale rose on July 1 from vice president for business and finance to executive vice president and chief operating officer. In a letter to Spiders’ supporters, Crutcher wrote that “athletics will report on a day-to-day basis through Dave Hale.”

Generally speaking, those who work in the Robins Center view Hale’s involvement with athletics over approximately the past four months as a very positive development. Previously, Richmond athletics directors reported directly to the president.

“In our strategic plan, there’s a real focus on alumni engagement and President Crutcher expects to spend much more time externally,” Hale said Monday. “And so, in order for us to maintain our commitment to Division I athletics and ensure a high level of continued attention to athletics at the University of Richmond, he put this structure in place.”

First off - 64 is spot on. They just added another page!
2nd - the new release provided above says it all. I am sure Hale is good and everyone likes him, but the fact that it seems most schools have this person report directly to the President and we decided our president needs to spend more time on "alumni engagement" - what better way to engage your alumni through sporting events?

So if Jabba wanted to remove a coach - lets use Schaefer since he is recent, he has to go to Hale, who has to go to Crutcher, who then has to go to the Board - who is probably going to want to speak to Jabba, but they have to speak to Hale, then Jabba. Headache already thinking about it.

 

[urmite]

First off - 64 is spot on. They just added another page!
2nd - the new release provided above says it all. I am sure Hale is good and everyone likes him, but the fact that it seems most schools have this person report directly to the President and we decided our president needs to spend more time on "alumni engagement" - what better way to engage your alumni through sporting events?

So if Jabba wanted to remove a coach - lets use Schaefer since he is recent, he has to go to Hale, who has to go to Crutcher, who then has to go to the Board - who is probably going to want to speak to Jabba, but they have to speak to Hale, then Jabba. Headache already thinking about it.

On the other hand, did I see Football and All Basketball reports to the AD, but all other sports (including Men's Lacrosse) report to one of two assistant ADs?

 

[SpiderTrap]

On the other hand, did I see Football and All Basketball reports to the AD, but all other sports (including Men's Lacrosse) report to one of two assistant ADs?

That makes a little more sense to me - since those sports, unfortunatley, don't garner the attention (at any major school) of Football and Basketball. So not a problem with that - but even that is an example of when you add a page, you sending the message of "not important".
If your men's lacrosse and you report to the Deputy AD and the football coach reports to the AD - do you think the Lacrosse coach knows they are not as important or significant as football - I think so.

 

[MolivaManiac]

This will make your head hurt..
https://www.richmond.edu/about/org-charts/Administrative Org Chart.pdf
https://www.richmond.edu/about/org-charts/EVPCOOOrgChart.pdf

Who's on first?

 

[MrTbone]

Somehow when it was announced I thought Hale was an advocate for the AD to the President not a gatekeeper for the President to protect him from the AD.

https://www.richmond.com/sports/col...cle_254d5273-865c-57a5-a67c-989a3151cde8.html

The University of Richmond’s new athletics director will have the same job title, but be part of a modified Spiders sports hierarchy.

Richmond may identify its AD in November. Depending on the choice, the person selected could start immediately or not until January.

Dr. Ronald A. Crutcher, the school president, during the summer announced that Dave Hale rose on July 1 from vice president for business and finance to executive vice president and chief operating officer. In a letter to Spiders’ supporters, Crutcher wrote that “athletics will report on a day-to-day basis through Dave Hale.”

Generally speaking, those who work in the Robins Center view Hale’s involvement with athletics over approximately the past four months as a very positive development. Previously, Richmond athletics directors reported directly to the president.

“In our strategic plan, there’s a real focus on alumni engagement and President Crutcher expects to spend much more time externally,” Hale said Monday. “And so, in order for us to maintain our commitment to Division I athletics and ensure a high level of continued attention to athletics at the University of Richmond, he put this structure in place.”

The cabinet structure that Crutcher inherited from Ayers was unmanageable, it had a huge group of people that he couldn't possible manage against. So the primary factor in reorg'ing was to reduce the cabinet and a byproduct/benefit of that was to have Hale own Athletics as he is known to be a strong supporter of their fit in university's culture and benefits.

So I think it's a good thing that the structure was set up the way it is.

 

[kneepadmckinney]

Just because it's a person between AD and Prez, doesn't make it bad per se. I have always heard that among faculty, Hale is a major supporter of athletics. If he is able to provide informed, intelligent counsel to our University President regarding sports, and is a supporter of the teams, then I view it as a positive. I certainly think it is way too simplistic (and ignorant) to say: additional person must = bad and therefore UR doesn't care about athletics.

 

[urfan1]

I;m sure T knows more about the details of how our administration works, but I have been told the relationship between our President and Board is not the normal. One additional benefit of adding Hale was to bring more consistency to Athletics.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Just because it's a person between AD and Prez, doesn't make it bad per se. I have always heard that among faculty, Hale is a major supporter of athletics. If he is able to provide informed, intelligent counsel to our University President regarding sports, and is a supporter of the teams, then I view it as a positive. I certainly think it is way too simplistic (and ignorant) to say: additional person must = bad and therefore UR doesn't care about athletics.

Agree kneepad - when you just look at it by itself in a vacuum - not a big deal. But when you look at it with all the other factors that have happened over the years, such as admission issues with athletes, cutting soccer and track, delaying practice facility, Rocco leaves football program he just led to three straight playoff appearances for in conference foe, etc.
To me - it just speaks more and more that we need to just show up, cheer on the spiders, give everyone a trophy, and just be happy that we teams that show up and compete and have good kids. Winning is nice, but not a priority, we want to try to win, but not too hard and we certainly don't want to sacrifice any academic achievements or rankings of the school for basketball or football success.

 

[invinoveritasinaquasanitas]

Agree kneepad - when you just look at it by itself in a vacuum - not a big deal. But when you look at it with all the other factors that have happened over the years, such as admission issues with athletes, cutting soccer and track, delaying practice facility, Rocco leaves football program he just led to three straight playoff appearances for in conference foe, etc.
To me - it just speaks more and more that we need to just show up, cheer on the spiders, give everyone a trophy, and just be happy that we teams that show up and compete and have good kids. Winning is nice, but not a priority, we want to try to win, but not too hard and we certainly don't want to sacrifice any academic achievements or rankings of the school for basketball or football success.

I hear you, but if I believed that the administration had the approach that you suggest, I would not follow Spider sports nor donate to the school.

 

[urmite]

Agree kneepad - when you just look at it by itself in a vacuum - not a big deal. But when you look at it with all the other factors that have happened over the years, such as admission issues with athletes, cutting soccer and track, delaying practice facility, Rocco leaves football program he just led to three straight playoff appearances for in conference foe, etc.
To me - it just speaks more and more that we need to just show up, cheer on the spiders, give everyone a trophy, and just be happy that we teams that show up and compete and have good kids. Winning is nice, but not a priority, we want to try to win, but not too hard and we certainly don't want to sacrifice any academic achievements or rankings of the school for basketball or football success.

Now imagine the reverse...

"...and just be happy that we have students that show up and compete and have good kids. Grades are nice, but not a priority, we want to try to have high marks, but not too hard and we certainly don't want to sacrifice any athletic achievements or rankings of the school for academic success"

 

[GaySpider]

Agree kneepad - when you just look at it by itself in a vacuum - not a big deal. But when you look at it with all the other factors that have happened over the years, such as admission issues with athletes, cutting soccer and track, delaying practice facility, Rocco leaves football program he just led to three straight playoff appearances for in conference foe, etc.
To me - it just speaks more and more that we need to just show up, cheer on the spiders, give everyone a trophy, and just be happy that we teams that show up and compete and have good kids. Winning is nice, but not a priority, we want to try to win, but not too hard and we certainly don't want to sacrifice any academic achievements or rankings of the school for basketball or football success.

I thought PQ wanted Lacrosse so that's why we cut soccer?

 

[SpiderTrap]

I hear you, but if I believed that the administration had the approach that you suggest, I would not follow Spider sports nor donate to the school.

Might be time to rethink your donations then.

 

[keefusb]

I thought PQ wanted Lacrosse so that's why we cut soccer?

We could have easily added women's volleyball, crew, or softball and met the Title 9 requirements AND added LAX, but Ayers pulled the completely arbitrary 13% athlete to student ratio out of his ass and used that as a BS justification to cut track and soccer (ironically the two top performing sports from an academic standpoint). Ayers just didn't want to dilute the financial value of PQ's multi-million dollar donation by having to add a couple of cheap women's sports teams. The fact is that our academic peer institutions have much higher athlete to student ratios, and not so incidentally higher academic rankings.


#NoMoreMooneyTruthing

 

[keefusb]

So I'm going to pre-empt the idea that our peer academic institutions have to have D1 atheltic programs. If you ask Crutcher or any of the others on the BOT, our academic peers are schools like Williams, Vassar, Haverford, Carleton, W&L, Swarthmore, etc. which are all D3 schools. Every one of these peer institutions have higher athlete to student ratios and higher academic rankings than we do.

Incidentally, I just saw today that we have an exhibition game against D3 Randolph-Macon in November. We should win easily, but if R-MC hits 40%+ from 3-point range like they did many times last season, we may have our hands full.


#NoMoreMooneyTruthing

 

[SpiderK]

What should the billboard say this year?

Fire Huesman, Fire Mooney, Fire Somebody !!

 

[spiderman]

So I'm going to pre-empt the idea that our peer academic institutions have to have D1 atheltic programs.

that's apples and oranges. the cost of fully funding D1 sports has to be taken into account. do you have a website that shows these ratios? my google skills are failing me today.

 

[Spiders4ever]

We Quit!