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The 2008 national title team played in a dilapidated rusty can off Powhite, practiced off same River Road grass fields, and trained in the Robins Center. Multiple players have went on to the NFL.
Last year we were 1 game from the FCS Title game.

What Danny wanted was to be the big man on campus...FCS's Nick Saban. Simple as that. Not suggesting these facilities shouldn't be built, because they should....but the argument that this stuff must be built NOW in order to win just isn't true.
 
The 2008 national title team played in a dilapidated rusty can off Powhite, practiced off same River Road grass fields, and trained in the Robins Center. Multiple players have went on to the NFL.
Last year we were 1 game from the FCS Title game.

What Danny wanted was to be the big man on campus...FCS's Nick Saban. Simple as that. Not suggesting these facilities shouldn't be built, because they should....but the argument that this stuff must be built NOW in order to win just isn't true.
If you think we can continue to recruit at the level in which we grew accustomed under DR without upgrading our facilities to comparable levels of our biggest rivals, as well as to other top FCS programs, I can only assume you live in Colorado because you have been smoking something.
At some point, we will slowly begin to get less and less of those top players, it won't be overnight, but it will happen. Like any other business, you have to keep up with your competitors or you will eventually be left behind. And I can assure you Rocco wanted no part in being the BMOC, he just wanted a football C (campus) he could proudly show off to recruits. Other than Robbins' stadium, there's no part of the "football" campus he could show off after these same kids had visited JMU, W&M and others. In fact, I've heard more than one player say they never saw the locker room on a visit until after they committed and UR was the only school that had never shown them the locker room.
 
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I agree we don't need these facilities upgrades to win. I think the players understand that and have that mentality. Personally, I doubt that Richmond is the kind of school where a dedicated Football center will ever be built. Facilities are always going to be shared between the athletic teams. The issue comes when the athletic dept. and the admin take the mindset "Things should definitely be done, but they don't have to happen now." They seem to have had that mindset for some time now, and to WolfSpider's point, it will begin to take a toll on our recruiting ability. Especially because we're a a school that won't sacrifice academic standards in the name of recruiting (which, at the end of the day, is a good thing)
 
What does such a facility have to do with academic standards? I'm missing the connection.
Both are factors in our recruiting possibilities. Facilities to attract recruits and academic standards to open up the field of possible recruits.
 
I will say the opposite - - we absolutely do need these facilities to win - - if you are taking a long-term view. Do we need it to win next year (with winning defined as say 8 wins and an FSC playoff birth with at least a home game if not a bye in round (1) - - maybe not. But if your plan is to overcome shortcomings , you will eventually slide back for certain. The one of two recruits you don't get a year that turn out to be somebody else's 3 year starter add up. And if you have that one year where you go 4-7 and what you have sold as the offset for your lack of facilities is a winning tradition etc. then the slide accelerates because what you are selling has become a question mark. The thought we can't compete on facilities etc. but can win because we have won in the past without this stuff is exactly the formula for slip sliding away. Danny knew this. The job of staying competitive was getting harder every year - - not just hard and still hard - - but harder each and every season. Eventually that plan fails. Danny knew that and wasn't going to be the one that oversaw the decline - - - especially when he knew what to do to avoid the fall and simply couldn't do anything about it!
 
The 2008 national title team played in a dilapidated rusty can off Powhite, practiced off same River Road grass fields, and trained in the Robins Center. Multiple players have went on to the NFL.
Last year we were 1 game from the FCS Title game.

What Danny wanted was to be the big man on campus...FCS's Nick Saban. Simple as that. Not suggesting these facilities shouldn't be built, because they should....but the argument that this stuff must be built NOW in order to win just isn't true.
AMEN 10, but this is the nature of the younger generation. The more bling, the greater the attraction. Being grateful for what you have and a better then average situation is far fetched and unacceptable. So in that light we have to find 65 guys who are so dedicated to playing football, they will accept any situation. Now are there 65 top notch players out there who fit that mold and we can get?
 
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What does such a facility have to do with academic standards? I'm missing the connection.
Must be some connection to spending lots of money and intelligence. The 537 "most intelligent people" in this country have spent $20 trillion more than we have. We still have potholes.
 
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High academic standards, winning tradition, fancy new facilities are all tools in the tool box to increase your potential pool of recruits. The larger the pool, the better the fishing.
 
as an aging alumna and being a spider since 1964, I could give a happy damn about academics. only since 2010 when the stadium opened. we played, dressed and worked out in crap. we have a great facility, now lets build/rehab around it. our team deserves this, and so do our coaches in aiding them with the top recruits. we have such a beautiful campus to expect anything less.
 
What Tom said. Support of academia is evidenced on campus everywhere, as it should be. If UR declares athletics to be part of the University fabric, then sports facilities should be top shelf as well. Do it now.
 
The money has already been committed for the new locker room for the kids. It was committed before Danny left and Danny knew all about it. The construction of it is probably going to start after next season concludes.

There is other stuff that needs to happen and we all need to pitch it. We can't just sit around here waiting for Robins and Queally. Some help from the current and former player families and 'support system' wouldn't hurt either.
 
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My intent of the thread was to draw a comparison around the commitment to high level sports (specifically football) between our beloved school and Lafayette. Two very similar schools but in two very different FCS Conferences.(no disrespect intended Leopards fans)

I would argue that we should at a minimum have "equal to or better" football facilities than they do. We are a program who has a stated goal of winning National Championships at the FCS Level. (see Huesman Press Conference), We are in arguably the best conference in FCS and I agree 100% with Philly Spider, we will start to lose the recruiting war if nothing is done.

Gill & Co need to put together a 5 Year Strategic Plan for enhancing football facilities/offices. As fans, graduates and financial supporters of UR Athletics we should expect nothing less.

Lafayette - #36 Nationally Ranked Liberal Arts College, 2500 Undergrads, 30% Acceptance Rate, Endowment $1.2B

UR - #27 Nationally Ranked Liberal Arts College, 2900 Undergrads, 31% Acceptance Rate, Endowment $2.0B
 
I agree we don't need these facilities upgrades to win. I think the players understand that and have that mentality. Personally, I doubt that Richmond is the kind of school where a dedicated Football center will ever be built. Facilities are always going to be shared between the athletic teams. The issue comes when the athletic dept. and the admin take the mindset "Things should definitely be done, but they don't have to happen now." They seem to have had that mindset for some time now, and to WolfSpider's point, it will begin to take a toll on our recruiting ability. Especially because we're a a school that won't sacrifice academic standards in the name of recruiting (which, at the end of the day, is a good thing)
My intent of the thread was to draw a comparison around the commitment to high level sports (specifically football) between our beloved school and Lafayette. Two very similar schools but in two very different FCS Conferences.(no disrespect intended Leopards fans)

I would argue that we should at a minimum have "equal to or better" football facilities than they do. We are a program who has a stated goal of winning National Championships at the FCS Level. (see Huesman Press Conference), We are in arguably the best conference in FCS and I agree 100% with Philly Spider, we will start to lose the recruiting war if nothing is done.

Gill & Co need to put together a 5 Year Strategic Plan for enhancing football facilities/offices. As fans, graduates and financial supporters of UR Athletics we should expect nothing less.

Lafayette - #36 Nationally Ranked Liberal Arts College, 2500 Undergrads, 30% Acceptance Rate, Endowment $1.2B

UR - #27 Nationally Ranked Liberal Arts College, 2900 Undergrads, 31% Acceptance Rate, Endowment $2.0B


Closer to $2.5 billion but what's a few dollars among friends.
 
My intent of the thread was to draw a comparison around the commitment to high level sports (specifically football) between our beloved school and Lafayette. Two very similar schools but in two very different FCS Conferences.(no disrespect intended Leopards fans)

I would argue that we should at a minimum have "equal to or better" football facilities than they do. We are a program who has a stated goal of winning National Championships at the FCS Level. (see Huesman Press Conference), We are in arguably the best conference in FCS and I agree 100% with Philly Spider, we will start to lose the recruiting war if nothing is done.

Gill & Co need to put together a 5 Year Strategic Plan for enhancing football facilities/offices. As fans, graduates and financial supporters of UR Athletics we should expect nothing less.

Lafayette - #36 Nationally Ranked Liberal Arts College, 2500 Undergrads, 30% Acceptance Rate, Endowment $1.2B

UR - #27 Nationally Ranked Liberal Arts College, 2900 Undergrads, 31% Acceptance Rate, Endowment $2.0B

Have you ever set foot in the Lafayette facilities or stadium? I have not. I know that One Putt has.

One Putt, would you say that Lafayatte has superior facilities, when compared to UR? If they are, they certainly have had some poor leadership of their football program, considering the relevant results.
 
http://www.tribeathletics.com/news/2006/8/28/205064265.aspx

Hopefully this link works. It is for W&M's football facility, The Laycock Center. I think we are competing with the Tribe for a lot of the same student athletes. W&M also just sunk a lot of money into upgrading their stadium. Robbins Stadium is very nice and the education at UR is great, but we need to be on par with other programs in the CAA with other facilities even if football must share with other sports.
 
http://www.tribeathletics.com/news/2006/8/28/205064265.aspx

Hopefully this link works. It is for W&M's football facility, The Laycock Center. I think we are competing with the Tribe for a lot of the same student athletes. W&M also just sunk a lot of money into upgrading their stadium. Robbins Stadium is very nice and the education at UR is great, but we need to be on par with other programs in the CAA with other facilities even if football must share with other sports.

I don't disagree with you but let me take the Devil's Advocate "Non Athletics Supporter on the BoT" stance:

"We dominate William and Mary already. Why does this matter?"
 
I don't disagree with your point either. While I respect Coach Laycock a ton, I think his age may be a detriment in recruiting, much like Paterno, Beamer, Bowden in their later careers. Coach Laycock is going to step down some time and a new coach will come in with fresh ideas. UR can't fall behind in facilities to entice recruits. Today's kids are into the bling as someone else noted.
 
Amen to UR10. I proudly have two degrees from UR from decades ago. But I really do not get excited about labs, US News rankings, etc. I do get pumped for football, basketball(not recently) and athletics. No way Lafayette should put our facilities to shame. Coaches, student athletes and fans deserve better.
 
Have you ever set foot in the Lafayette facilities or stadium? I have not. I know that One Putt has.

One Putt, would you say that Lafayatte has superior facilities, when compared to UR? If they are, they certainly have had some poor leadership of their football program, considering the relevant results.

MM - I have not been there and for perspective I didn't state "superior facilities" just better when comparing the current state football facilities of very similar institutions. We have an expectation of playoffs and championships. We should have a plan for the infrastructure to support that. Here is the link again, please judge for yourself. A picture is worth a thousand words...

http://www.goleopards.com/facilities/bourger-varsity-football-house.html
 
That facility at Lafayette is much better than anything we have. Coming from someone my ages point of view, better facilities draw better recruits. Not saying it's right but kids my age are more drawn to things with lots of bling and UR doesn't have anything like that besides Robins stadium. If UR can put up something like the Weinstein center for mostly the general public, it can certainly put up and outstanding facility.
 
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the prob with all of this is that in a few years, we have to do it all over again, the arms race just keeps going, even at our level. recall, does not seem that long ago, unveiling the new locker room and it was great but now, not good enough. if we build this facility, should not build it like an interstate where it is obsolete even before it is completed. we need to build something that will reach out into the future, that is how we should think.
 
If it is done it should be on the hill behind the one end zone. The problem is that there is not really a great place anywhere on campus to put a giant football facility. We need something that honors past players and teams in the facility. Do we even have anything like that right now? I also don't believe we have a players lounge which is something else we could use. I've been in the players lounge at Tech and been inside their football facility and it is something else. Not saying we need one like that but we need to have one at the level of jmu or the Indians or an even better facility. It should honor the past and project to the future and I think it should be named after a legend such as Ray Tate as well.
 
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We need to have the "one step ahead" mentality and not the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality because sooner or later we won't be able to compete with the likes of JMU and W&M for recruits and will be losing to them on the field, and it is much harder to catch up.

Yes, a football facility like the one Lafeyette has would be the best thing. However, that definitely won't get funding by the school and I don't see any donors giving however many millions to build that. Right now, our focus should be to renovate the weight room and the locker room.
 
We need to have the "one step ahead" mentality and not the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality because sooner or later we won't be able to compete with the likes of JMU and W&M for recruits and will be losing to them on the field, and it is much harder to catch up.

Yes, a football facility like the one Lafeyette has would be the best thing. However, that definitely won't get funding by the school and I don't see any donors giving however many millions to build that. Right now, our focus should be to renovate the weight room and the locker room.
Wrong. That's the thinking that will eventually put us behind Longwood. It's nothing but a bandaid.
 
agree, we need to decide who we are, then we can decide what we want/need. think the BOT needs to come out with that and then we will know what we are going to be or not be. the fans, players, may want us to be one thing but the trustees may feel differently.
 
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the prob with all of this is that in a few years, we have to do it all over again, the arms race just keeps going, even at our level. recall, does not seem that long ago, unveiling the new locker room and it was great but now, not good enough. if we build this facility, should not build it like an interstate where it is obsolete even before it is completed. we need to build something that will reach out into the future, that is how we should think.
I agree. The ole nail on the head again, Spinner. And let's keep it green. We can put it in the middle of the lake and solve the space problem as well. Something like one of these:
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Renovating the locker rooms for the 4th time. Build a support building.

I think a designated building for football/athletics would be great, but realistically not going to happen without major donor support. The locker room renovation according to the elevate campaign would look fantastic along with a renovated weight room. Like it's been said before, we don't even show our recruits the locker room and weight room. The ultimate goal would be a football-oriented facility, but renovating these facilities is certainly progress
 
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I think a designated building for football/athletics would be great, but realistically not going to happen without major donor support. The locker room renovation according to the elevate campaign would look fantastic along with a renovated weight room. Like it's been said before, we don't even show our recruits the locker room and weight room. The ultimate goal would be a football-oriented facility, but renovating these facilities is certainly progress
I don't disagree with anything being said. There's obviously a need. It just seems to me that space could be reallocated to raise the profile of other sports at the University. You can't squeeze but so much into the Robins Center. This shouldn't be just about football. The RC could support baseball, basketball (m and w), swimming, soccer, etc in an uptempo way. A stand alone football/lax support building located within the Brickhouse raises the profile and support for all sports. Start the campaign now. Like Mo said, step up and support. I'm willing to support that effort as best I can, money and time.
 
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Recruit on visit: "hey coach, can I see the new locker room?"

Coach: "Sure. These new locker rooms are state of the art. Each player locker is made from mahogany wood, has an electrical outlet and a USB jack to plug in your cell phone, and they all come with leather chairs for relaxation. What do ya think?"

Recruit: "Well, that's pretty nice coach, but each locker at JMU and W&M comes with an ipad and Bose sound speakers."
 
it seems to me that if we can build a separate facility just for football, the space left behind in the Robins Center would translate well for all the other sports, lots of room.
 
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The money has already been committed for the new locker room for the kids. It was committed before Danny left and Danny knew all about it. The construction of it is probably going to start after next season concludes.

There is other stuff that needs to happen and we all need to pitch it. We can't just sit around here waiting for Robins and Queally. Some help from the current and former player families and 'support system' wouldn't hurt either.



well said
 
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