Two follow up questions on UVA game

[I-M-UR]

I was at the game so we weren't shown the targeting call. The UVA fans sitting next to me didn't think it was ruffing the passer or targeting. But I don't know.

Second question: A friend of mine who was driving through Hooville listening to the game heard the UVA announcer declare that the UR players were so motivated because the wished they could go to UVA? Maybe they did want to play FBS, but I don't think UVA was the first choice. certainly not this week, If true this just fits the UVA hubris persona.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

I was at the game so we weren't shown the targeting call. The UVA fans sitting next to me didn't think it was ruffing the passer or targeting. But I don't know.

Second question: A friend of mine who was driving through Hooville listening to the game heard the UVA announcer declare that the UR players were so motivated because the wished they could go to UVA? Maybe they did want to play FBS, but I don't think UVA was the first choice. certainly not this week, If true this just fits the UVA hubris persona.

I relooked since I was at game on Waller's ejection and he looked almost off balance coming through the
line and was sort of bumped but not blocked. QB followed thru with throw and Waller hit him at same time.
But it looked more inadvertent then intentional. On side note Waller reminds me of Kerry Wynn.

 

[MooreHall73]

When you are in the mist of being humiliated by an in-state FCS opponent and you want to be the flagship FBS school you need to have something to fall back on. If he had thought that through for a second he would have realized what he was saying was we made really bad choices passing on these guys (UR players) for our guys (UVA players). Motivated or not UVA players were not as talented a group on Saturday.

 

[Ferrum Spider]

By all means if you would rather get stomped in the ACC, your in state rival every year, and suck vs FCS teams, then go to UVA. I want recruits that want to win.

RIP UVA football, you successfully wrestled the baton from Duke a few years back and are the joke of the ACC(football).

 

[Ulla1]

By all means if you would rather get stomped in the ACC, your in state rival every year, and suck vs FCS teams, then go to UVA. I want recruits that want to win.

RIP UVA football, you successfully wrestled the baton from Duke a few years back and are the joke of the ACC(football).

Beautifully stated, Ferrum Spider! OSC

 

[Eight Legger]

Yeah, the "these guys from [FCS school] wanted to play at [FBS school opponent from the same state]" story line is just a lazy one invented by broadcasters as a way to try to hype a game. Of course, most recruits want to play at the highest level they can, but did a bunch of our guys specifically want to play at UVA and have to "settle" instead for Richmond? Who knows.

 

[PhillySpider]

On the targeting - - there was clearly no intent, but dont think there is an intent requirement any more. If the crown of the helmet leads into a defenseless player (i.e. a receiver reaching for ball or looking the other way or a QB in the act of throwing, its targeting, regardless of intent. I said this at the time - - its a call that could be but didn't have to be made since it wasn't violent etc. but once made, had to be confirmed since the crown of the helmet definitely hits the QB in his head.

 

[ur2K]

Is it SOP for targeting reviews to not be shown as a replay? They didn't show that one but showed the later play that was reviewed

 

[LKNSPIDER]

RIP UVA football, you successfully wrestled the baton from Duke a few years back and are the joke of the ACC(football).[/QUOTE]


Please tell me why you or any Spider fan wants to downgrade an opponent that we just soundly defeated? Such comments only diminishes our dominating performance. Also, UVA has more talent than the Duke teams we defeated. Review their schedule from last year and note several close losses including the final play defeat to Notre Dame. The better UVA plays from here on out .....the stronger Richmond looks!

 

[Spiderbymarriage]

On the targeting - - there was clearly no intent, but dont think there is an intent requirement any more. If the crown of the helmet leads into a defenseless player (i.e. a receiver reaching for ball or looking the other way or a QB in the act of throwing, its targeting, regardless of intent. I said this at the time - - its a call that could be but didn't have to be made since it wasn't violent etc. but once made, had to be confirmed since the crown of the helmet definitely hits the QB in his head.

I saw the TV replay a bunch of times and it was not the crown of the helmet. Waller was face to face with the QB at impact. Unfortunately, that still seems to qualify as the NCAA video-reviewed it and confirmed the ejection. The intent of the rule is good, but in this case it was unfortunate as it just wasn't that dangerous of a hit.

 

[Ferrum Spider]

RIP UVA football, you successfully wrestled the baton from Duke a few years back and are the joke of the ACC(football).


Please tell me why you or any Spider fan wants to downgrade an opponent that we just soundly defeated? Such comments only diminishes our dominating performance. Also, UVA has more talent than the Duke teams we defeated. Review their schedule from last year and note several close losses including the final play defeat to Notre Dame. The better UVA plays from here on out .....the stronger Richmond looks!

Please explain why I am diminishing our performance by making a statement in response to the announcers nonsense? Clearly our guys can play at and for UVA(as well as far better programs) but they may not of felt the need to go there for my stated reasons above.

I'm not downgrading when it's speaking the truth and it's not taking away from our dominating performance. Almost beating a has been (ND) program that's annually overrated doesn't remove you from basement of the ACC. And if you count close losses you must count close wins too (only 6 points over WM). Look I'd love to see UVA win out and make our win look that much better but history's not on their side. I never said I was rooting against them. Enjoying their misfortune? Maybe a little...

 

[urfan1]

I think Bronco got an education about just how good CAA football can be. I think he would have prepared his team much differently if he truly understood our level of talent. But the way our guys played the final W may still have been in our column. In any event I'm going to enjoy the W

 

[I-M-UR]

RIP UVA football, you successfully wrestled the baton from Duke a few years back and are the joke of the ACC(football).

Please tell me why you or any Spider fan wants to downgrade an opponent that we just soundly defeated? Such comments only diminishes our dominating performance. Also, UVA has more talent than the Duke teams we defeated. Review their schedule from last year and note several close losses including the final play defeat to Notre Dame. The better UVA plays from here on out .....the stronger Richmond looks![/QUOTE]
My intent is not to down grade UVA's program but to point out the very palpable we're better than you attitude I always sense at UVA. If this happened, it just shows my sense is right and they just let the truth slip out on the radio.

Mendenhall will improve the team but he won't change the UVA attitude.

 

[paward]

Fact of matter is FBS teams will think long and hard before placing the Spiders on their schedule. We do not win them all but do compete well. Open your season with us if you will. The pleasure is all ours.

 

[I-M-UR]

On the targeting call it should be shown, because the penalty is so severe. I believe the UR player now has to sit out the first half of the Norfolk State game.

 

[I-M-UR]

another point about playing in Hooville. How does a team especially one that is behind go the entire game with no penalties?

Because it's Chinatown, Jake.

 

[SFspidur]

On the targeting call it should be shown, because the penalty is so severe. I believe the UR player now has to sit out the first half of the Norfolk State game.

No, he was ejected in the first half, so his penalty is done. If the ejection had come in the second half, he'd have to sit out the first half of the following game.

 

[Rivercup]

While I applaud the intent of the Targeting rule, the call against Waller was not only not targeting, it was not a penalty. He hit the QB right as he was releasing the ball. It was a football play and should not have been called.

 

[Eight Legger]

There's a definite need for more consistency in how to apply that rule. If the rule is that anytime your helmet hits the helmet of someone who is "defenseless" then I understand that and am ok with it, even though in that situation it was not much contact at all and certainly not intentional.

But watch the play on Torii Hunter, Jr. in the Notre Dame game the other night – he was basically speared in mid-air in the endzone and seemingly knocked out, with no call of targeting – and it doesn't add up.

 

[WebSpinner]

yep, these calls are so inconsistent, getting to the point of just stupid. wish they would quit calling it "targeting", that is what most tacklers are doing on every play, targeting the opponent with the ball, just call it something else. replay has gotten stupid, has a place but they still get it wrong and that is more frustrating than just taking the call on the field. plus replay has changed what a "catch" is. think everyone sees a catch and knows it is a catch but now it has to be more than a catch and that stinks.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

UVa took a few cheap shots after plays were over, and were never penalized. This happens in the natural flow of play and it's 15 yards and an ejection. <shrug>

Sorry, but if I'm an area recruit that isn't getting looks from the top 20 FBS programs, I'd pick "come play for our solid program that will compete for a conference/national championship" over "come play for the whipping boys of the ACC." I know I'm biased.

 

[spider fan]

The announcers were not very alert attributing what happened to one team to the other and kept repeating the same mistake. Whoever the UVA player was that had his arm in a sling walking around on the sideline was called a Spider several times. And do not think the demeaning of the FCS by the announcers was as much a UVA thing as It is an ACC thing as the game was broadcast by the ACC network. And for officiating I don't like it all all the way these games are called. We had 8 penalties for 70 yards and they had 0 penalties. Most egregious non-calls were Lauletta being leveled on at least 3 occasions after passing the ball as Stonewall pointed out in another tread the helmet was under the chin on the play in the clip and the other run play close to the goal line when our player's head turned on the tackle which had to be a face mask. Fortunately no injuries and we won the game but there is no excuse for such lopsided refereeing. Can't say I have made peace with it but unfortunately it is what happens when we play UVA.

 

[WebSpinner]

recall our basketball game up there in one of those pay to play post season tourneys and uva had no second half fouls until about 2 minutes remaining in the game. just how those things work and if we want to play them, have to put up with it. as poorly as they played, you have to figure they did something wrong worthy of a hankie at some point.

 

[spider fan]

Yes Spinner that basketball game included Sean Singletary knocking Kevin Anderson to the floor in order to take the ball with no foul called. It has stuck in my mind because Jerry Ratcliffe, the lead sports reporter for the local Daily Progress, said of that play that there was more contact by Singletary than there is in a mugging on the Corner(restaurant and commercial area across the street from UVA.) That game was in the CBI tournament where the refs acted like they had their instructions on which team was to win.

 

[I-M-UR]

The announcers were not very alert attributing what happened to one team to the other and kept repeating the same mistake. Whoever the UVA player was that had his arm in a sling walking around on the sideline was called a Spider several times. And do not think the demeaning of the FCS by the announcers was as much a UVA thing as It is an ACC thing as the game was broadcast by the ACC network. And for officiating I don't like it all all the way these games are called. We had 8 penalties for 70 yards and they had 0 penalties. Most egregious non-calls were Lauletta being leveled on at least 3 occasions after passing the ball as Stonewall pointed out in another tread the helmet was under the chin on the play in the clip and the other run play close to the goal line when our player's head turned on the tackle which had to be a face mask. Fortunately no injuries and we won the game but there is no excuse for such lopsided refereeing. Can't say I have made peace with it but unfortunately it is what happens when we play UVA.

Which is why I wouldn't care if we never played them again.

 

[I-M-UR]

Yes Spinner that basketball game included Sean Singletary knocking Kevin Anderson to the floor in order to take the ball with no foul called. It has stuck in my mind because Jerry Ratcliffe, the lead sports reporter for the local Daily Progress, said of that play that there was more contact by Singletary than there is in a mugging on the Corner(restaurant and commercial area across the street from UVA.) That game was in the CBI tournament where the refs acted like they had their instructions on which team was to win.

That game and the Reid era football games should have been considered crimes.

 

[Stonewall D]

That game and the Reid era football games should have been considered crimes.

Please explain.

 

[urmite]

Please explain.

Perhaps the Reid era games vs UVA?

 

[I-M-UR]

Please explain.

yes the one point loss was a total robbery. Should have been game not games. I Should have looked it up first 2001 17-16. The officials were not going to allow us to win that game.