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Soulis hits the portal

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Ouch.... didn't think this was coming at all. Was really excited to see how he could continue to develop here, and thought he would have the keys to the starting C spot after next year. Not the kind of guy I wanted to lose.

Now we really need a young big. No depth behind Walz and Beagle once they're gone next year.

 
I can’t say I didn’t see it coming, had some high level offers out of high school. Then he reclassified and dealt with multiple injures and then didn’t get much pt. Now we have 1 spot open, still looking to see who else transfers
 
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Can’t blame him.
kind of a head scratcher to me. he really hasn't shown much. seemingly moved ahead of Beagle ... though I didn't see why. and both Walz and Beagle only have a year left.

i know teams are scrambling to fill spots so there's plenty of demand, but really can't see him moving up a level. just down if he wants to play more.

maybe he wasn't happy with his development here.

will have to look bask at the portal interest ... but get me a rim protector. think we were talking to one from Norfolk St?
 
Yeah i was watching Norfolk State big man a couple weeks ago, liked what I saw, extremely athletic, physical, good shot blocker, plays with a lot of energy, I would try to get him and if another spot opens get a athletic defensive minded wing
 
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Not good. Block 23 from seeing this one.

He did have good interest & offers in hs. This goes back to not playing multiple bigs imo. I’m not a big experiment during the season guy but when u r out of it & things r not working it’s different. He had about 5-6 game stretch getting consistent time but that’s it. showed potential during it. He was the one who looked like could play a stretch 4 to me. Perplexing non usage.

3 years left and only big we had in the pipeline. We need a young big. Tough spot.
 
He was the one who looked like could play a stretch 4 to me.
thought he had potential at the 5 but never saw the stretch 4 thing.
he's hit 2 threes in 146 career minutes. and if I remember right ... at least one of them wasn't pretty.
I definitely wish he stayed though. tough to replace a decent 5. and we'll need 2 more next year.
 
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Mostly did not do much because he was oft injured. OFFERED out of HS by two top 10, top 15 coaches in the college game. This is bad scenario, may mean Beagle back? Just think we saw Beagle's game not a match for moon's system unless he is going to play him at the 4. While i thought this portal season might be a big nothing burger, it could get even worse with a bunch of hired guns and no bigs left. Only hope can be that Moon found a play now big with two years left, and Soulis decided to bolt.
 
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Not good. Block 23 from seeing this one.

He did have good interest & offers in hs. This goes back to not playing multiple bigs imo. I’m not a big experiment during the season guy but when u r out of it & things r not working it’s different. He had about 5-6 game stretch getting consistent time but that’s it. showed potential during it. He was the one who looked like could play a stretch 4 to me. Perplexing non usage.

3 years left and only big we had in the pipeline. We need a young big. Tough spot.
Showed potential then Moon limits him. Some games later season he played ahead of Beagle and others Beagle ahead of him. Rhyme or reason? For life of me, I have hard time understanding how Mooney evaluates talent - See Soulis and GW3. Common element is limited playing time and now both are portaling.
 
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Showed potential then Moon limits him. Some games later season he played ahead of Beagle and others Beagle ahead of him. Rhyme or reason? For life of me, I have hard time understanding how Mooney evaluates talent - See Soulis and GW3. Common element is limited playing time and now both are portaling.
Agreed. I was not sold on Soulis but he certainly showed some potential mid year and then Mooney would play him like 3-4 minutes the next game. I didn't understand it, just like GW3. The team was a flaming disaster, why not play your young guys more and see what they actually can do in a game situation.

I'm sure he saw this coming year being just like last year with a 3 way rotation with him and Beagle fighting for the non-starter minutes at the 5.
 
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thought he had potential at the 5 but never saw the stretch 4 thing.
he's hit 2 threes in 146 career minutes. and if I remember right ... at least one of them wasn't pretty.
I definitely wish he stayed though. tough to replace a decent 5. and we'll need 2 more next year.
Did he ever show enough to say he would ever be more than just an okay backup? I would say "maybe" could be a decent 5, but he would have to improve considerably, so I would rather have the extra spot for a transfer. You are right, definitely not a stretch 4 and far from a quality center. I didn't see much time for him and never quite understood 23's excitement about him.
 
I didn't see much time for him and never quite understood 23's excitement about him.
Problem is you could fill an any poster on this board for "23" and any player on the roster for Soulis and be right. I think if he doesn't lose an entire year of competive basketball we would be talking much different. Could see a healthy off season and him being much better next seasom
 
Sorry to see Soulis hit the portal. I don’t think the fanbase saw enough of him to know what kind of player he can be. But the bigger reason I am sad is because I have 0 belief that CM and company will find a better player and whatever player may be found will have to learn the CM way. Not a next year problem per se, but definitely a roster hole I wasn’t expecting. AP loses his fellow Greek too.
 
Problem is you could fill an any poster on this board for "23" and any player on the roster for Soulis and be right. I think if he doesn't lose an entire year of competive basketball we would be talking much different. Could see a healthy off season and him being much better next seasom
I hear u. I would probably feel differently about him and be more patient with him if the portal weren't the way it is now. With limited spots, I am just hoping we can get someone who is ready to make a bigger impact next year.
 
Soulis looked like a max effort guy with some skill to go along with it - but got buried on an awful team. Too bad, thought he had some potential, he was one of the few guys I didn't want to see go.
 
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I hear u. I would probably feel differently about him and be more patient with him if the portal weren't the way it is now. With limited spots, I am just hoping we can get someone who is ready to make a bigger impact next year.

Nobody thinks he’s a guy we couldn’t take off floor next year but with 15 spots he’s a good futures bet that u don’t discard easily imo. Why because he’s a big that often take more time to develop, he’s got 3 years, and now we have zero young bigs in pipeline.

U r cool if we lost everyone from the roster off the team - tho not the coach oddly - but along those lines if u had to rank who to keep who would be a must keep over Soulis? To me u should factor years of eligibility position & a player potential ceiling. Esp when u r so many players away like we r. I’d rank Walz ahead because he’s earned it. After that idk. AP & Tyne some might say but they were wildly inefficient offensively. Others the 2 redshirts. Only because we haven’t seen them. But guess what the odds r high 1 of McG or JRob produce exactly what Soulis did in their redshirt FR season.

I might have Soulis near top & def had higher on my list to keep than the 2 walk ons, GW3, Beagle, Tanner. GW3 transfer didn’t bother me but this one does. Of course Soulis could go on & do little at next stop. Fwiw JOC just reported the Spiders (coaches) were high on Soulis. Granted they’ve been incorrect on many assessments.

I think it will be hard to get a big out of portal. Not to contribute next year, when we only play max 1 at a time and we have 2 seniors. Maybe we can get a young one idk seems tough too.
 
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I’d bet dollars to donuts when his father came to a couple of games and
saw how bad we were he had a conversation with his son. I believe his dad
was a pro baller if I remember correctly.
 
He just seemed too thin to me, didn't shoot well, and I guess I just never saw this potential some of you saw.
Definitely thin, I’m not saying he was a wunderkind, but thought he showed decent athleticism and had potential to develop. By contrast, I think I’ve seen what beagle has and don’t think it’s going to get dramatically better.

But if we go out and get someone who gives us 2 or if lucky, 3 years and gives us more or better then im not gonna cry a river. Just think there were more expendable guys.
 
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Normally, would have been pretty irritated with losing Soulis, But:
A) Don't have much faith that we are anywhere near an NCAA with or without him so just in another Spider basketball March madness drought malaise.
B) Mooney wouldn't play him anyway
C) Hoping for his sake can get to a strong hoops program that can develop him and make the most of his ability.

Good luck to Ryan!

And Annap - yes agree parents were probably not happy with his PT. Found if quite odd game they showed up to Mooney played him bunch of minutes early, and he did well. Then back to the bench. So guessing the father was like WTF, need to get out of there. I guess Moon was scared of his dad in person, then when he got on a plane back to the bench.

Anyway, curious to see what level he transfers too. Maybe St. Mary's? That would be a huge step up. If so and he can stay healthy I bet we see a guy that develops into a really good player.
 
Because Mooney has shown ability to recruit A10 caliber championship level talent before with NIL. In this 5 year time window of “what have you done for me lately” that many coaches get, Mooney has won an A10 tournament and regular season championship. It’s very hard to win A10s every year, and I wish our bad seasons weren’t so low, but a lousy season this year shouldn’t discount prior recent years success.

We missed on recruiting this year. So I understand VT’s point and agree that it makes sense to have as much of a new player roster to try again because I doubt the team will improve significantly enough from this year to next year on their own without any new faces. Also, Mooney should still get the benefit of the doubt in this NIL transfer era for now because of our recent success with transfers. It’s like there’s amnesia on this board whenever this program has any kind of success. It’s not like we’ve had a bunch of awful seasons in a row with this new transfer/NIL era. This year is a very important year to see whether this staff can instill confidence in admin/fans that they can navigate the NIL/transfer portal well or not.
 
Well part of the issue 17 is yes, I was giving him benefit of the doubt when we had a good regular season two years ago. BUT, and I know you are on the pro mooney side that gives all benefit for the regular season tie - BUT he effed up that season early by tanking most of the critical OOC games. We won one - then aboslutely blew the BC game, and tanked at N Iowa. So OOC was a failure. In conference good - but again this entire board save the pro mooneyites saw the last game let down coming at Mason. Then just knew that we were going out early in the A10 tourney. Give Tarrant or JB that team - and maybe someone snipes us early - BUT you would have not expected it - you absolutely would have been pumped heading into the A10 tourney. WHy was our fanbase not pumped and expecting the worst. Yep, you guessed it. So if no top 4 finish this year - I think just confirms moon is not built for this era. Yet he will try to hide that by playing the freshman.
 
Because Mooney has shown ability to recruit A10 caliber championship level talent before with NIL. In this 5 year time window of “what have you done for me lately” that many coaches get, Mooney has won an A10 tournament and regular season championship. It’s very hard to win A10s every year, and I wish our bad seasons weren’t so low, but a lousy season this year shouldn’t discount prior recent years success.

We missed on recruiting this year. So I understand VT’s point and agree that it makes sense to have as much of a new player roster to try again because I doubt the team will improve significantly enough from this year to next year on their own without any new faces. Also, Mooney should still get the benefit of the doubt in this NIL transfer era for now because of our recent success with transfers. It’s like there’s amnesia on this board whenever this program has any kind of success. It’s not like we’ve had a bunch of awful seasons in a row with this new transfer/NIL era. This year is a very important year to see whether this staff can instill confidence in admin/fans that they can navigate the NIL/transfer portal well or not.

oh vt4700 by proxy. I'm surprised it's not a 6 year window

it's 2 out of the last 3 seasons being lousy. the 1 in between got us a blowout loss on road round 1 NIT. The A10 tournament win is now 2 for 19. & his A10 tourney record is otherwise terrible. The reg season co championship was 1 for 20.

but I mean we have be really well positioned for next year right. No...remarkably....the Mooney backers want everyone on the roster gone, the roster he built. so let's have that same guy with his well known 20 year metrics run it back! make it make sense. but at least he does well against vcu.

Fire Bennett Extend Mooney
 
Because Mooney has shown ability to recruit A10 caliber championship level talent before with NIL. In this 5 year time window of “what have you done for me lately” that many coaches get, Mooney has won an A10 tournament and regular season championship. It’s very hard to win A10s every year, and I wish our bad seasons weren’t so low, but a lousy season this year shouldn’t discount prior recent years success.

We missed on recruiting this year. So I understand VT’s point and agree that it makes sense to have as much of a new player roster to try again because I doubt the team will improve significantly enough from this year to next year on their own without any new faces. Also, Mooney should still get the benefit of the doubt in this NIL transfer era for now because of our recent success with transfers. It’s like there’s amnesia on this board whenever this program has any kind of success. It’s not like we’ve had a bunch of awful seasons in a row with this new transfer/NIL era. This year is a very important year to see whether this staff can instill confidence in admin/fans that they can navigate the NIL/transfer portal well or not.
Dude, no one has amnesia. What most people get frustrated by is the complete inability to develop any kind of continuity after 20 years in the drivers seat. You can’t casually dismiss that like these down seasons are anomalous. Yes there was an A10 tournament and regular season championships but sandwiched by losing seasons after each. Good programs don’t crap the bed like that.

I’m presuming you’re a 2017 grad so I’m gonna put my old man yelling at clouds hat on. Come back and talk to me when you’ve lived through 20 years of this nonsense. You’ll feel differently.
 
I’d bet dollars to donuts when his father came to a couple of games and
saw how bad we were he had a conversation with his son. I believe his dad
was a pro baller if I remember correctly.
His Dad did attend a game. His son played 2 or 3 minutes in first half and did not return rest of game. Dad was not happy
 
Because Mooney has shown ability to recruit A10 caliber championship level talent before with NIL. In this 5 year time window of “what have you done for me lately” that many coaches get, Mooney has won an A10 tournament and regular season championship. It’s very hard to win A10s every year, and I wish our bad seasons weren’t so low, but a lousy season this year shouldn’t discount prior recent years success.

We missed on recruiting this year. So I understand VT’s point and agree that it makes sense to have as much of a new player roster to try again because I doubt the team will improve significantly enough from this year to next year on their own without any new faces. Also, Mooney should still get the benefit of the doubt in this NIL transfer era for now because of our recent success with transfers. It’s like there’s amnesia on this board whenever this program has any kind of success. It’s not like we’ve had a bunch of awful seasons in a row with this new transfer/NIL era. This year is a very important year to see whether this staff can instill confidence in admin/fans that they can navigate the NIL/transfer portal well or not.
This depresses me to no end. 3 NCAA’s in 20 years, 9-27 against our crosstown who consistently makes the NCAA’s. Good enough. It’s so hard to win in the A-10. Boo fing hoo
 
This depresses me to no end. 3 NCAA’s in 20 years, 9-27 against our crosstown who consistently makes the NCAA’s. Good enough. It’s so hard to win in the A-10. Boo fing hoo
Those who like CM, and those who are willing to give Moon some sort of benefit of doubt will always find ways to rationalize his performance. One manner of that rationalization takes the form of snapshots in time. If the snapshots truly reflected changes in long term trend, then that might hold water. But we see that there is no real positive trend to really support a long term 55 pct winning coach as well as the stats you showed in the quoted post.
 
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