It would be nice to use one of the suits on the bench on someone who can teach rebounding and boxing out fundamentals.
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It would be nice to use one of the suits on the bench on someone who can teach rebounding and boxing out fundamentals.
The things that irks me the most about the whole situation (other than the "not winning" part) is how Mooney has completely divided the fan base.
If you are a Mooney supporter, nothing he does, will make your not support him. And if you are a FMM or want a change, there is nothing he can really do at this point to change your mind (well, OK he could take us to an NCAA tournament, that would probably sway some minds, but that ain't happening).
So, basically our fanbase is at each other's throats constantly. I know a fair number of posters on here and all are huge Spider fans and I'm sure everyone else who spends time on here is a huge Spider fan as well, but most of our time we spend supporting the men's team now is spent not on celebrating program wins and accomplishments but on proving the other side wrong.
Granted there is not a lot to celebrate, but it still pisses me off, that a team that means so much to me and so many others, causes so more anger, apathy, frustration rather than joy.
If you are a Mooney supporter, nothing he does, will make your not support him. And if you are a FMM or want a change, there is nothing he can really do at this point to change your mind (well, OK he could take us to an NCAA tournament, that would probably sway some minds, but that ain't happening).
So, basically our fanbase is at each other's throats constantly. I know a fair number of posters on here and all are huge Spider fans and I'm sure everyone else who spends time on here is a huge Spider fan as well, but most of our time we spend supporting the men's team now is spent not on celebrating program wins and accomplishments but on proving the other side wrong.
Granted there is not a lot to celebrate, but it still pisses me off, that a team that means so much to me and so many others, causes so more anger, apathy, frustration rather than joy.
Oh and one other thing. The little old ladies who comment on the Men's basketball page after every loss of "how proud they are of our guys", "keep trying", "we believe in you" crap. Our players are not 7 years playing YMCA basketball, they are adults who play Division 1 basketball on scholarship, they don't need their mommies giving them participation trophies on FB.
And if someone dares make a construction criticism of the team, these same ladies will jump all over them with some of the rudest comments.
And if someone dares make a construction criticism of the team, these same ladies will jump all over them with some of the rudest comments.
Honestly for me at this point it would take more than one trip to the NCAAs by a Mooney coached Spiders team for me to change my mind about wanting a change in head coach. I would want to see the ability to reload in lieu of rebuilding. Currently I do not think that Mooney has that ability. And to me, he has shown that his rebuilds are not given to be successful.
Frustrated with how long our football team has stayed consistent with lots of coaching
changes since Dave Clawson in 2007. While Mooney during the same time has shown
little high level consistency, yet he is deemed successful.
We have great kids, ones who represent the university well, but ones who never should
have been recruited for this level of competition. These are the ones who never play or
have very limited time or transfer out to a DII league team. We do not have a retention
problem if those who leave were never getting off the bench. We have a recruiting issue.
Many alum see us as a "small school in the pines" and that our current rate of basketball
success correlates to our size and our mid major title. Then why have we already poured
$20 million into upgrading the RC and a committment to $15 million more to further upgrade our
facilities. Let me ask you, do you upgrade your business to remain status quo? You put money
into any program solely with the goal of improving it. You need leadership that insures that
money does not go to waste.
changes since Dave Clawson in 2007. While Mooney during the same time has shown
little high level consistency, yet he is deemed successful.
We have great kids, ones who represent the university well, but ones who never should
have been recruited for this level of competition. These are the ones who never play or
have very limited time or transfer out to a DII league team. We do not have a retention
problem if those who leave were never getting off the bench. We have a recruiting issue.
Many alum see us as a "small school in the pines" and that our current rate of basketball
success correlates to our size and our mid major title. Then why have we already poured
$20 million into upgrading the RC and a committment to $15 million more to further upgrade our
facilities. Let me ask you, do you upgrade your business to remain status quo? You put money
into any program solely with the goal of improving it. You need leadership that insures that
money does not go to waste.
Yes, our arguments are very similar to a lot of the conservative-liberal political arguments. Entrenched positions with little room for compromise. Sports used to the great uniter, but no longer here at Richmond.
Spot on. I will say that after we came all the way back against VCU and the students rushed the floor, I wasn't thinking about any of this crap; I was feeling joy. So we do have our moments.
100% agree with this. It would really benefit him to spend a little time with Coach Huesman this spring and summer. Mooney's inability to take personal accountability for anything going on in his program is the #1 reason why I'm done with him (lack of winning #2). Every word out of his mouth is some carefully scripted PR spin or a bunch of lip service. He falls back on excuses and shifts blame.
Huesman does a tv interview at midfield after the W&M game, and first words out of his mouth are "I really need to coach them better next year", then mentioned that the staff could have done this better, done that better. Football goes 6-5, misses the playoffs, and the staff is distraught over it. Basketball goes 12-20, and the message is "future is very, very bright." Yeah, I bet it is. Just once would I like to hear a candid assessment from the man. The buck stops on his desk, and I would bet a lot of money that the divided 50% not in his camp would cite this as another reason why change is needed.
I'm sure I will get blasted by the Mooney Truthers on this, and that's fine. I have driven myself nuts, lost sleep, argued with other Spider fans, guzzled booze, you name it over this program led by Mooney. And for what!?? No more.
Yes, that VCU comeback was great and I did feel joy and pride in our program in both those wins. But, those were 2 games and the rest of the time, I generally felt more embarrassed about our program, frustrated for our players,
Mooney stopped speaking with and too fans and the students year ago. Remember how he tried to engage students so much early on. Going to d-hall, sending e-mails, etc... Does he do that anymore?
Now that the Tourney is upon us, I have to get something off my chest. As much as I despise the university, the scandal that is UNC, I will end up rooting for them while watching them play. Unless they are playing a significant underdog, my rooting interest will shift to the Tarheels. I will start out rooting for the other team, but will shift as the game goes along. I can't help myself. In this era of 4 out/1 in, weaves, drive and chuck and milk the clock, they are a breath of fresh air. They get up and down the floor looking to score at every opportunity. They take what they think are open shots whether they are 2s or 3s. They run organized breaks with flushes on the end instead of the single looking for contact. They run secondary breaks. If their shots don't go in, they crash the boards until it does or the other team gets possession. They trap on defense sometimes, or they don't. Roy gives them the freedom to play. It makes for entertaining basketball.
Looking at the bracket, I will be rooting hard for Lipscomb the whole game. The rest of those games, I will start out rooting against UNC, but will probably be seduced to the darkside. Maybe I can stick with the Aztecs of San Diego St. That is an entertaining team to watch. Should I seek out counseling?
Looking at the bracket, I will be rooting hard for Lipscomb the whole game. The rest of those games, I will start out rooting against UNC, but will probably be seduced to the darkside. Maybe I can stick with the Aztecs of San Diego St. That is an entertaining team to watch. Should I seek out counseling?
took me an hour but what the hell Im retired and always wake up early. He would have agreed with it
Mediocrity is unacceptable but has become status quo. Between 1984 and 2011 we were in the NCAA Tournament 9 times. Tarrant - 5 times, Beilein - 1 time, Wainwright - 1 time, Mooney - 2 times (his 5th and 6th seasons) Mooney has just completed his 13th season. He signed a contract through the 20-21 season after the Sweet Sixteen appearance in 2011. When does the standard of "what have you done for me lately" come into play? Is there a correlation between the high pay long term contract and lack of success?
Over the course of this season, I shifted my fan energy away from the Spiders and into the Tony Bennett camp. Look at what he has done at 64 W. His team is the undisputed #1 seed in the NCAA's. He has no "superstar/lottery pick/one-and-done" caliber players. They have great chemistry and mental toughness, and I don't think anyone has cracked 70 points against them this season. To me the Cavs are a perfect reflection of a great coach at the very top of his game. They simply ground UNC down to a nub in the ACC championship game, and they will do that to several more teams on their way to the Final Four.
And don't even get me started on Buzz Williams and how quickly he put out the dumpster fire in Blacksburg...
And don't even get me started on Buzz Williams and how quickly he put out the dumpster fire in Blacksburg...
I, too, have become a great fan of Tony Bennett. I think he's the best coach in the country. I love his game. Many don't but he keeps putting up the Ws.
The thing about UVA is that those guys play their asses off on every defensive possession. You can tell they take pride in it. You don’t see that on defense on our team.
You are exactly right. With the help of their fans, Tony Bennett has sold his team that it is fun to play defense.
I think that was Shaka's secret when he was on Broad Street. His recruits thought it was fun, too.
