Semifinal Saturday

[MolivaManiac]

A10 Tourney Semi participants last 5 years:

VCU 4 - only in league 4 years
Butler 1 - only in league 1 year
X 1
SLU 2
Bona 2
Saint Joe 2
GW 1
Dayton 2
Davidson 2 - 2 years in league
Rhody 1
Umass 2

UR 0
Duquesne 0
Fordham 0
Lasalle 0
Mason 0

 

[SpiderRick]

Mo, looking at that list, are we now officially a bottom feeder? This is worse than sad, it's pathetic.

If VCU was anybody other than VCU, I would have to admire what they have done. No wonder UR is an afterthought in this city.

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

LOL. And I was on board with saying LaSalle and Fordham with their below par teams and facilities maybe should be asked to leave the A10. I bet you Depaul would still be on board with us joining the BEast.

 

[97spiderfan]

Don't forget LaSalle made a sweet 16 run a couple years ago, so that might bump them above us on the list of league bottom feeders.

 

[MolivaManiac]

Awhile back, there was a listing of A10 basketball teams by program budget. Does anyone have it handy?

 

[Spiderbymarriage]

That's a pretty striking display.

A 7 year view would look quite a bit better for UR, but that doesn't make me feel any better about today.

 

[wr70beh]

Apparently VCU had a simulcast of their game at the Siegel Center. It had enough people going to it to stop traffic on Broad, even during Spring Break. We'll never have that unless we get rid of Mooney.

 

[ur2K]

Awhile back, there was a listing of A10 basketball teams by program budget. Does anyone have it handy?

http://www.basketballforum.com/atla...8-10-athletic-budgets-fiscal-year-2015-a.html

 

[MolivaManiac]

http://www.basketballforum.com/atla...8-10-athletic-budgets-fiscal-year-2015-a.html

Thanks. Absolutely unreal.

 

[ur2K]

Much obliged. Remember that time we made 2 A10 finals in a row? That was fun.

 

[urfan1]

Save yourself time linking:

Athletic Expenses (Reporting Year: 7/1/2014 - 6/30/2015)

Grand Total Expenses
Massachusetts $33,121,307
Fordham $31,963,111
Virginia Commonwealth $29,770,145
George Washington $29,374,668
Richmond $26,951,928
Dayton $24,177,246
Rhode Island $24,028,080
George Mason $21,254,390
Saint Joseph's $19,845,795
Duquesne $17,899,626
Saint Louis $17,402,473
La Salle $14,325,653
Davidson $13,348,176
Saint Bonaventure $9,774,664

Athletically Related Student Aid (i.e., athletic scholarships)
Fordham $13,061,354
George Washington $11,002,402
Richmond $9,671,851
Massachusetts $9,375,971
Rhode Island $8,625,576
Duquesne $7,053,970
Saint Joseph's $6,698,158
La Salle $5,955,262
Saint Louis $5,129,854
George Mason $5,120,669
Dayton $4,997,352
Virginia Commonwealth $4,035,244
Saint Bonaventure $3,149,365
Davidson $3,072,446

Recruiting Expenses
Massachusetts $710,295
Dayton $521,746
Davidson $514,181
Duquesne $508,430
Fordham $503,568
Richmond $459,366
Rhode Island $418,756
Virginia Commonwealth $387,566
George Mason $383,268
George Washington $381,766
La Salle $313,353
Saint Louis $247,016
Saint Joseph's $244,665
Saint Bonaventure $187,540

Men's Basketball Expenses
Virginia Commonwealth $5,584,380
Fordham $5,226,030
Richmond $4,928,859
Dayton $4,757,973
Saint Louis $4,185,914
George Mason $4,081,042
Saint Joseph's $3,871,346
Massachusetts $3,822,521
Rhode Island $3,652,260
Duquesne $3,518,812
La Salle $3,246,080
George Washington $3,130,281
Saint Bonaventure $2,690,887
Davidson $2,572,475

Football Expenses
Massachusetts $7,027,529
Fordham $6,515,087
Richmond $6,463,260
Rhode Island $4,273,324
Duquesne $2,840,309
Davidson $1,480,393
Dayton $1,289,024
George Mason N/A
George Washington N/A
La Salle N/A
Saint Bonaventure N/A
Saint Joseph's N/A
Saint Louis N/A
Virginia Commonwealth N/A

 

[MolivaManiac]

Much obliged. Remember that time we made 2 A10 finals in a row?

Barely. We've had 2 kids, seen the reelection of Obama and the rise of Donald Trump since then.

The comparison of these results to program spending is the most depressing evidence of our program decline that I've seen.

 

[spider23]

I think it is time to bring the Good Kids thread back to the fore front. At least.

 

[Spider B]

Wow. Those numbers really show how well supported the Program is by the University. It makes the results the past five years even more unacceptable. It also shows that the head coaching job at the University of Richmond is a fantastic job. I said it in another thread, but everything is in place for UR to be a serious contender EVERY year in the A10. We have the best arena in the A10, good crowds especially during conference play that will only get better with a winning team, offer the coach a great salary, and the Program is very well supported financially. what else could you ask for as a coach?

 

[Ulla1]

Wow. Those numbers really show how well supported the Program is by the University. It makes the results the past five years even more unacceptable. It also shows that the head coaching job at the University of Richmond is a fantastic job. I said it in another thread, but everything is in place for UR to be a serious contender EVERY year in the A10. We have the best arena in the A10, good crowds especially during conference play that will only get better with a winning team, offer the coach a great salary, and the Program is very well supported financially. what else could you ask for as a coach?

B, all correct and ........... Great kids! OSC

 

[9Legs]

When you recruit at the Northern Kentucky (Diekvoss) Fairfield, Tennessee Tech level( Ford), etc,etc,etc. this is the result. I have repeatedly said that our sales team cannot effectively sell our product. As the old saying goes you can claim to have the world's best dog food but, if the dogs won't eat it, then you are in trouble. As far as our expenditures are concerned, it is quite obvious that in many aspects of overall University operations, the administration has more money than it has common sense.

 

[MrTbone]

I guess you could ask for lower admission standards but I don't think that's a significant problem.

 

[MolivaManiac]

That's a pretty striking display.

A 7 year view would look quite a bit better for UR, but that doesn't make me feel any better about today.

A 7 year view would look better but I think (a) 5 years is a pretty good sample size and (b) if you moved it back out to an 11 or 12 year view, it would look nearly as crappy.

The results against our peers when you bring investment into the picture, are downright pathetic.

 

[MolivaManiac]

As far as our expenditures are concerned, it is quite obvious that in many aspects of overall University operations, the administration has more money than it has common sense.

+1. The problem extends far beyond the basketball office.

 

[urmite]

A 7 year view would look better but I think (a) 5 years is a pretty good sample size and (b) if you moved it back out to an 11 or 12 year view, it would look nearly as crappy.

The results against our peers when you bring investment into the picture, are downright pathetic.

I suppose you could try it at 8 years? Or 12? Multiple classes through "the system"?

 

[ur2K]

In the last 12 years, the only time we were relevant was KAs final 2 years

 

[KWeaver]

I actually cursed out loud after reading this thread.

 

[urfan1]

In all fairness, I don't believe all schools report numbers the same way.

 

[MolivaManiac]

In all fairness, I don't believe all schools report numbers the same way.

Perhaps not but if you were just going by "the eye test", I think anybody can see we have nice stuff. The numbers validate the eye test, in my mind.

 

[ur2K]

Comparison I draw looking at this is JMU football, doing less with more.

 

[wr70beh]

Dayton goes down to St. Joe's..... Hampton made the tournament winning the MEAC. ODU is in a dogfight with MTSU (VCU's signature non-conf win) for the C-USA crown.