Round 2 of Philly Phun- St Joe's Game Thread

[SpiderAlways]

What are you even talking about?

23 said " for once, I would like to see major improvement in a player under Mooney from one year to next".

I replied, "You really can't identify a single player that has made a major improvement under Mooney? Come on."

You're like, "Does winning matter to you knee? At all? I’ll tell you what he doesn’t do well! Win!!"


Unwittingly, you proved my point. The fact we don't win enough is exactly the type of meat on the bone I was referring to. So much meat, in fact, that 23 doesn't have to make up nonsense that isn't accurate. So after saying "for once" he'd like to see player improvement, he mentioned Harper. So that's once right there. There are countless others that have improved as players from one year to the next. Tyler Burton's jump from freshman to sophomore was noticeable. Nathan Cayo vastly improved. TJ Cline became great (I know, I know, it was all Nancy).

There was a sentiment posted, and I apologize that I can't remember which poster to attribute it to, that I agree wholeheartedly with: Mooney's shortcoming isn't necessarily as a thinker or teacher of basketball, and it certainly isn't in building a team that genuinely cares for each other and for the program, but rather in the X&Os of in-game coaching. I personally think he's not just mediocre at it, but objectively, analytically subpar.


But I have no earthly clue how you got from me challenging 23 that he can't name one player that improved to "does winning matter to you knee".

It's like us debating Chick-fil-A vs Popeye's fried chicken sandwich, and you're like, "do you even want an oil change knee? at all?"

I’ll tell you why I said what I said. For years you’ve been a Mooney backer, I joke about knee pads. Then you defend Mooney again countering 23’ points. So, my point is and was, when do you start caring about winning? Now having said that, I have noticed a few cracks in your Mooney love fest starting this year so there is that. You have a great night sir!!

 

[MrTbone]

I’ll tell you why I said what I said. For years you’ve been a Mooney backer, I joke about knee pads. Then you defend Mooney again countering 23’ points. So, my point is and was, when do you start caring about winning? Now having said that, I have noticed a few cracks in your Mooney love fest starting this year so there is that. You have a great night sir!!

While I’m confident he can defend himself, I wouldn’t call kneepad a “Mooney backer”. I think he falls into the “calls it like he sees it” group, which to me is a respectable designation because at some point the irrational/uneducated backers have to be moved by facts, not vitriol.

 

[SpiderAlways]

While I’m confident he can defend himself, I wouldn’t call kneepad a “Mooney backer”. I think he falls into the “calls it like he sees it” group, which to me is a respectable designation because at some point the irrational/uneducated backers have to be moved by facts, not vitriol.

I’ll give you facts. 55% and 8-24

 

[spider23]

While I’m confident he can defend himself, I wouldn’t call kneepad a “Mooney backer”. I think he falls into the “calls it like he sees it” group, which to me is a respectable designation because at some point the irrational/uneducated backers have to be moved by facts, not vitriol.

No, he has been a strong moon man defender over the years. And no I am not going to look up his old posts. And yes my game is weak now, but still a step above Quinn's slop moves for sure. So take that kneepad man. Or get on your kneepads.

 

[MrTbone]

I’ll give you facts. 55% and 8-24

Sure, I’ll give you a non-fact. “CM has never developed his players.”

I believe all he’s saying is (and I agree with) is that it waters down the case against CM to make unsubstantiated or overtly inaccurate claims. There are plenty of things to criticize him for, like 55% and 8-24.

 

[kneepadmckinney]

I guess I have to repeat myself, again, for those with poor reading comprehension: most recently stated in Post #85 in "At Large NCAA Bid" thread, responding -- probably not coincidentally -- to SpiderAlways:

"2. You mistake me. I would have replaced Mooney a while ago. I just seem like a Mooney supporter in comparison to the vast majority on here because I try and be a little more nuanced than "we lost, therefore Mooney." Sometimes we lose because players make shitty plays, even though they were coached differently."

 

[SpiderAlways]

Coach is the coach. Players make mistakes in all programs. Coach recruits, prepares, game plans, and Hopefully makes adjustments during games.

55% 8-24

 

[Eight Legger]

Yeah, that's what I always come back to as well. Of course players have bad games and screw up, etc., but after seeing the same story play out repeatedly for almost two decades, it's hard to tell when that's happening vs. when the coaching just failed the players. And when it happens in very much the same way and at the same point in games, it seems much more likely to be the latter than the former.

 

[SpiderGuy]

Yeah, that's what I always come back to as well. Of course players have bad games and screw up, etc., but after seeing the same story play out repeatedly for almost two decades, it's hard to tell when that's happening vs. when the coaching just failed the players. And when it happens in very much the same way and at the same point in games, it seems much more likely to be the latter than the former.

Too many patterns stamped into this program, and these are patterns where we get burned. The buck stops where?

 

[Spiders4ever]

Too many patterns stamped into this program, and these are patterns where we get burned. The buck stops where?

Rusty Taco?

 

[Gospiders06]

The buck doesn’t stop anymore. Continues to move on from the athletic department to the fans whatever. A lot of people care but yet no change ever happens. The football coaches get fired for doing something after work hours. I can’t remember what Keith Gill did. Anyways, Hardt is just as useless. Money flows in no one cares

 

[urfan1]

correct your first statement money goes from fans to athletic department

 

[fatherspider]

But, but, with the portal any team can be an instant contender overnight!

Not w Moonman at the helm.

 

[Gospiders06]

Not w Moonman at the helm.

In fantasy world we might compete next year