Well - with Jay Wright stepping down and Fordham coach possibly taking over - there are a handful of coaches in flux right now that might pick up the phone if Mooney called.
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Obviously we don't hesitate to promote people into assistant coach roles internally, but agree it would be odd to bring in someone (even if that person is KA) in that way. Thomas or Smith might make more sense, but I imagine Mooney wouldn't want to poach McGeehan's staff.
we have tremendous experience at the top with Mooney and MoJo. this is a lower level assistant coaching job. of course we should give it to KA. he wants to coach. if he can't count on his former coach and alma mater where he's a legend, who can he count on?
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Would love to see KA on the staff, and think it would make sense. He knows the game (there is a reason why so many PGs are coaches), knows what we are all about, and should be able to recruit some talent here, especially PGs. Like Sman said, we already have Mojo here, so it's not like a big time assistant elsewhere who is maybe ready to be a head coach is going to drop all of that and be the lower assistant here. Just like with transfers, it is easy to say go get all these guys, but it has to be a fit and make sense for them too, and not just us.
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Because we are trying to build a program that is a consistent NCAA tournament participant, not some nepotistic employer who gives out jobs to former players to help them out.
One of the reasons that programs that consistently excel at the highest level do so because they have the best possible staff they can assemble from top to bottom. You can really say that for any organization.
Do I want to hire my best friend/colleague for a job at my company or do I want to hire the best possible employee to make my company the most successful it can be? Successful companies always choose the latter.
it's a lower level assistant coaching position. you make next to nothing until you're the top assistant. I'm not suggesting handing a job to someone's nephew. we're talking about one of the greatest college PGs ever.
and when a program preaches "family", I think it's important to back up the talk.
and when a program preaches "family", I think it's important to back up the talk.
And, he has coached before and knows the game, so it's not like the hire would be just because he played here. I can't think of a better guy for this spot. With all the transfers flying around like they do, how about having a guy like KA around, who can share with them how he stayed here all 4 years and went dancing in years 3 and 4.
I don't know, maybe Jay Wright? Think he will take it? 🤣 🤣 🤣
97 is right. Find the most qualified person. I don't care where they played college basketball as long as they are the most qualified for the job. If that's KA, great. If not, then hire the other guy. Pretty simple concept.
But what if MoJo leaves next year for another opportunity. Everyone gets promoted up. Why you want to make sure you have the best people you can get at each position. And you can't give every player who wants to be a coach a slot on your staff. So, KA gets a slot, does that mean if Kendal Anthony or Cedric Lindsey gets slots too if they want to coach, because family.
Of course not, which is why you exercise a competitive search to find the best candidate.
LOL. Reading this board, I think some on here expect him to come here. We are talking lower level assistant coach here. KA has coaching experience, and knows the game. Without looking it up, can anyone even name lower level assistants out there?
I suspect in this case, the marriage between wanting the best candidate and wanting to bring back an all-time great will align nicely. Generally, though, 97 is correct: Hire the best candidate. We certainly should interview a couple people, at a minimum.
Yes, stick to what CM has always done. It's worked so well in the past. 3 NCAA in 17 years. Why change? Keep it "in the family."
Bill Dooley was in his 20s, had never coached before, and was Tarrant's assistant. If I remember right Benjy Taylor was on Tarrant's staff as well. Anyone want to criticize that? Can't remember who we had with Belein and don't feel like looking it up, but if anyone wants to share, please do. This seems silly, worrying about who our next assistant might be, as if we would not hire a good fit who knows his stuff.
I don't know how your run your business, but at mine every position we hire we do a competitive search for. Notwithstanding, this is one of our 4 assistant coaches, so someone who will definitely be in the inner circle. This isn't the video coordinator position we are hiring and even if we were we should do a damn competitive search for it.
If we interview multiple candidates and everyone agrees KA is the best qualified than by all means hire him.
Well, there are multiple reasons we didn't make the tournament for 4000 days. Not having the best most experienced staff is probably on that list. So maybe just run the program according to best industry/business practices.
Nova definitely did not do any search at all for their new head coach. They are a pretty successful program.
Well, that was essentially an internal promotion. Neptune was with them up until a few months ago.
Never said I didn't want KA. I don't want KA hired only because he played at UR under Mooney and is the safe hire for CM. I want the best candidate hired. You clearly didn't read my prior post. Not surprising though. Pom-poms for anything CM does (or might do).
Wow. So, back to the pom pom talk. Great. And, I didn't say I wanted KA only because he played here. But, whatever. Once the pom pom talk comes out, it's time for me to politely be done with you. If you can't have a friendly debate and disagree on things without it having to be about pom poms, it's just not fun and not worth it.
I'm assuming Joseph is promoted to the top spot. he's certainly qualified.
a few being 12. I get your point though. they definitely know what they're getting. and he's even proven himself more in the past 12 months by landing that class at Fordham.
Yes, not at Nova the last 12 months before that at Nova 120 months?
And with this discussion, it is certainly the offseason, Yea!
Or should I say Sis Boom Bah?
Can Roche commit so we have something different to talk about?
“Associate head coach” is generally just a title and pay raise to acknowledge a job well done and/or a long tenure. Something to put on the resume. It’s not a specific position…programs commonly have none, one, or two of them. Don’t think I’ve seen a situation where all three assistants had the title lol.
I actually thought he was just hired. Didn't realize he was their head coach for the past year. Lol. But yes, he was on staff for close to a decade at Nova, so they clearly know and want him.
What is it that makes several on this board so excited about Maurice Joseph? Maybe he is doing great work at UR, if so, I'm willing to hear what a knowledgeable insider has to say.
He certainly does not have a coaching track record that would inspire enthusiasm. I recall watching him on the sideline at GW. It was very obvious by watching that he was not even an average A-10 coach. For what it is worth, It didn't take GW long to come to the same conclusion.
Beilein had a strong staff at UR. All assts. went on to D1 head coaching jobs (1 was women's)
Phil Seymore
Jeff Neubauer
Mike Jones
Matt Brown
btw Dooley is still the man regardless, bleeds Richmond red & blue, that was obvious up in Buffalo and he can rock the Paddy Cap like nobody's business
Joseph was very highly regarded as an up-and-coming assistant coach in the industry when he went to GW. He then became the head coach at the 11th hour right before the season started when the whole thing went down with Lonergan and the AD up there. He wasn't ready to be a head coach yet and GW didn't have a lot to work with after his first year.
He's highly regarded as a recruiter and from what I know, as an Xs and Os guy.
And my former student manager friend who has been the girls coach at Cville High for 10 to 15 years now ...
Gary D. had a rough year back in the Chicago HS public league, maybe he's looking for a new gig? Get him a Groucho glasses/mustache combo and slip him on the end of the bench.
Sorry, couldn't resist. That hire was the most incongruous of any in the 30+ years I've followed the program.
Sorry, couldn't resist. That hire was the most incongruous of any in the 30+ years I've followed the program.
Thanks for the info, and this helps make my point. Yes, a guy like Neubauer went on to be a head coach, but look at his resume when he was here under Beilein. He played for LaSalle until 1993, and his only previous coaching job was an assistant for 3 years at The Citadel. He was 25 when Beilein hired him.
Mike Jones coached at Sidwell Friends School, and was an assistant at Howard and Furman before joining Beilein here.
Seymore coached with Beilein at Canisius before joining him here.
Matt Brown played at Shippensburg until 1993 and was an assistant coach there for 1 year before being an administrative assistant at Marshall and Florida for 3 years. He then joined Beilein here at 28 years old.
So, very little experience there. All young guys at the time, and I think we did just fine when Beilein was here with these young, mostly unproven assistants. I can't believe how much some on here are worrying about this.
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Dooley is the man? I suffered through four years of his coaching while at UR. I would gladly take any of our coaches before or since over him.
Well I wasn’t referring to his coaching tenure just as a person & alum. I was there for some of Dooley era too. We seem to have many posters from it which is sort of remarkable. What hurt Dooley is I believe the team had a couple bad seeds back then, from what I recall Gary Williams was rumored to be sabotaging program. Also hard to follow a legend like Tarrant. Maybe if Chad Varga doesn’t transfer it’s a little different bc early on he had some Tarrant returning players like Jarmon Burroughs & Hodges. Or when Hodges was fouled in CAA semis if Dick Papparo called it. Later he was relying on guys like walk on Adam Ward from the water polo team. & he did bring in the class w Stevenson Oliver Poole & Cueto that ultimately Beilein took to NCAA. It didn’t work out but maybe a little unlucky idk. Wasn’t my point but we got to take a stroll down memory lane anyway.
I don't think it's the unproven aspect that people are opposed to, it's the idea that Mooney's default seems to be simply hiring former players directly into those roles here and not really bringing many outside guys into them. He could do worse, of course. Our kids for the most part are bright and capable, and those that want to go into coaching are probably likely to excel there.
The discussion here is whether he should interview for these positions and hire the best candidate or just offer them to former players without really considering anyone else when they become available. I'm of the mindset that the former is the correct path, and if a former player is the best candidate, then great! If not, hire the person who is.
Lots of coaches employ their sons, which I get but have never liked.
coaching trees are littered with former players from that school especially when a coach has a tenure like Moon has had. KA would be great and maybe we could sneak him onto the court in the last 4 minutes of every game to save the offense from sputtering out and make some clutch shots.
