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Richmond's Fab 5 class

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It is an interesting cycle for UR recruiting. I can't recall having 5 ships for the same class. We will likely be coming off our most successful campaign since 2011. But of most interest will be the roster will still have major talent. Goose, Burton, Crabtree, Wilson, Weir, Bailey Grace, Sol, etc.....

If we can recruit an AAU kid that then recruits 1-2 of his friends (rival AAU possibly) we could put together another special nucleus that keep us relevant for next decade. Lots of possibilities.
 
VT4700 said:
Yes and no. We landed a star and a really good player. I would take that every year.
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The math doesn’t support this logic. That’s a 40% success rate. 13 scholarship players * 0.4 is 5.2 capable players. You need to be at 60-66% right each year to have a strong starting five and a capable bench. And no, they don’t need to be ready from day one.
 
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What is more probable to happen is that we fall back when this current class graduates. We struggle for 2 years where we hover around .500 and then when this “fab 5” class is juniors and seniors - we make another run at the NCAA tourney. BUT for this to happen - we need to take advantage from a recruiting perspective of our current success. This is something we were unable to do last time we made back to back appearances. Otherwise we could be back in a multiple year drought like we just experienced.
 
MrTbone said:
The math doesn’t support this logic. That’s a 40% success rate. 13 scholarship players * 0.4 is 5.2 capable players. You need to be at 60-66% right each year to have a strong starting five and a capable bench. And no, they don’t need to be ready from day one.
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My point is no matter the class size, I would take a star and a really good player every year. That gives you four stars and four really good players every season. We would win an awful lot of games every year with a roster like that.
 
VT4700 said:
My point is no matter the class size, I would take a star and a really good player every year. That gives you four stars and four really good players every season. We would win an awful lot of games every year with a roster like that.
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But class size matters. Where’s your bench? If every year you got two guys then I agree. But you can’t average 40%, that’s just nuts.
 
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Your bench? Do you need more than 8 players in the rotataion each year? Especially if you have 4 stars and 4 other guys who are really good? Nice to hear you agree with me about getting two guys every year, because that is exactly what I said. So, what are we debating again? :)
 
urmite said:
Yes, but I would not take, 2.6 stars, 2.6 good players, and 7.8 who won’t see the court...
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Not sure why it's so hard to understand my post. I said I would take a star and a really good player every year. That's all I said. I don't care if we have a five-man class, or three man class, or two man class, all I said was I would take a star and a really good player every year. Who cares if we only hit 40% when we landed Jacob and Nate? We also hit 100% when we landed Burton. You and others may disagree, but if we get a guy as good as Jacob and another as good as Nate in this five-man class, I would call that a success. Star players like Jacob just don't come along every year. If they do, you almost already have a successful recruiting class.
 
VT4700 said:
Your bench? Do you need more than 8 players in the rotataion each year? Especially if you have 4 stars and 4 other guys who are really good? Nice to hear you agree with me about getting two guys every year, because that is exactly what I said. So, what are we debating again? :)
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well we aren’t debating math apparently.
 
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The key to recruiting is not based on number of stars or ranking of recruit. It is how they fit
into the system, their work ethic, willingness to learn and be a team player. UR current group
of juniors have fallen into those categories and are making other players better like Gus and Burton.
Change I see in the latest recruiting, is players who are more athletic and skilled. Let’s hope we are
reaching a new level of recruiting that will keep our basketball program in the upper echelon of our league.
 
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VT4700 said:
Your bench? Do you need more than 8 players in the rotataion each year? Especially if you have 4 stars and 4 other guys who are really good? Nice to hear you agree with me about getting two guys every year, because that is exactly what I said. So, what are we debating again? :)
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but the problem is this would mean EVERY class is a 5 man class. 40% success rate to have 8 guys like this you said would mean we have 20 people on the roster. A 40% success rate from our entire team would be 5.2 which is what was said below. And even if a few misses transfer that probably wouldn’t be 7 scholarship guys transferring every 4 years to where we keep having 5 man recruiting classes. And if that many guys were transferring we probably would be upset we can’t find all good talent

and even if your 4 and 4 did ring true that would also mean we have two freshman coming in every year and being part of that top 8 which would be bad for depth
 
plydogg said:
but the problem is this would mean EVERY class is a 5 man class. 40% success rate to have 8 guys like this you said would mean we have 20 people on the roster. A 40% success rate from our entire team would be 5.2 which is what was said below. And even if a few misses transfer that probably wouldn’t be 7 scholarship guys transferring every 4 years to where we keep having 5 man recruiting classes. And if that many guys were transferring we probably would be upset we can’t find all good talent

and even if your 4 and 4 did ring true that would also mean we have two freshman coming in every year and being part of that top 8 which would be bad for depth
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I never said every class was a 5 man class. All I said was I would take a star player and a really good player in every class. Yes, even in a 5 man class I would take that every time. And, if that came true, I would be more than happy with 2 of them being freshman, because they wouldn't even have to start as freshman. Maybe you wouldn't take a bench with a star and 2 really good players, but I sure would.
 
VT4700 said:
I never said every class was a 5 man class. All I said was I would take a star player and a really good player in every class. Yes, even in a 5 man class I would take that every time. And, if that came true, I would be more than happy with 2 of them being freshman, because they wouldn't even have to start as freshman. Maybe you wouldn't take a bench with a star and 2 really good players, but I sure would.
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You keep saying that but 40% of a hit rate is 5.2 players not 8. How are you getting 8 players????
 
I never said anything about worrying about a 40% rate. You guys did. All I said was I would take a star player and a really good player every recruiting class. For the tenth time, that's all I said, and I stand by that. That would make for a very good team for us on a consistent basis. If you want to disagree, fine. But, I'm not sure why what I said is so difficult to understand.
 
To explain further, this year we have three recruits coming in. If one is a star and one is a really good player, I would be really happy with that. Next year, we have five recruits coming in. If one is a star and one is a really good player, I would be really happy with that. When we had 5 recruits a few years ago, and landed Jacob and Nate, I was really happy with that. It's perfectly fine if you disagree, but I don't see how my point could be any more clear.
 
I think we are on the right recruiting tracks. It is time to put the past where it belongs and that is in the past. Some of us are stuck so far back in the past, you can’t move forward. Please allow our breakthrough to come our way.
 
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All this from how people are defining "better hit rate".

Number of successes per Number of attempts? Number of successes per recruiting season?

We need 8 successes out of 13 attempts. Whether that is by succeeding by getting 61.5% success each season or 2 successes each season (even if that meant 2 of 3, 2 of 3, 2 of 3, 2 of 4) shouldn't matter.

Is everyone getting cabin fever?
 
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VT4700 said:
I never said anything about worrying about a 40% rate. You guys did. All I said was I would take a star player and a really good player every recruiting class. For the tenth time, that's all I said, and I stand by that. That would make for a very good team for us on a consistent basis. If you want to disagree, fine. But, I'm not sure why what I said is so difficult to understand.
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it looks like you’re right. You did say 2 per class and not 2 out of every 5 per class. I think it just would be disappointing out of 5 due to the sheer number we could have had but it looks to me like what you said makes sense.
 
plydogg said:
it looks like you’re right. You did say 2 per class and not 2 out of every 5 per class. I think it just would be disappointing out of 5 due to the sheer number we could have had but it looks to me like what you said makes sense.
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Yes, if you get 2 out of 5, then you need 6 of 8 the rest of the way...
 
plydogg said:
it looks like you’re right. You did say 2 per class and not 2 out of every 5 per class. I think it just would be disappointing out of 5 due to the sheer number we could have had but it looks to me like what you said makes sense.
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All good ply. I do see the other side of the argument wanting to hit on more than 2 guys in 2021, but I think the key is that I said a star and a very good player, so I wasn't just talking a couple of average players each year. We usually find that out after the fact, so sure, let's get as many good guys in here as possible and hope a good amount turn into the stars and good players I was talking about. With Jacob being one of our best PGs ever and an all A-10 player, and Nate being a solid starter, that, in my opinion, made their 5 man class a successful one. Had Jacob and Nate been just a couple of good to average players then their class as a whole would have been a disappointing class. But, just my opinion and thanks for the reply.
 
urmite said:
Yes, if you get 2 out of 5, then you need 6 of 8 the rest of the way...
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True, but it is hard to do better than a star and a really good player each year, even with a 5 guy class. Sometimes, it is just as easy to hit on 2 guys with a 3 man class, depending on timing and the roster. We hit on Burton and we might hit on all 3 guys in 2020, and the key would be roster and timing. At the time we only had one ship available, and Wilson saw a good opening at PG. Then, we got another spot, and Weir also saw a good opening. We possibly land neither if Jacob and Grant were younger. Then, we get another ship open, and Bailey sees a fit. Time will tell, but this looks like one heck of a class, and combined with Burton could give us 4-4 the last 2 years. Add Crabtree and that is 5-5. But, to stick with my point, I would be more than happy with 4-5 (2 a year). Now, I realize we still need to see these guys play, so I am not assuming anything. Just saying that if we go 2-5 in 2021, we could still go 6-8 in the neighboring 3 years.
 
I see all of these replies on a thread and think something exciting has happened. But nope it just 4700 arguing with a poster over some perceived slight. I know I can beat my drum at times, but this dude has got to be the most annoying poster on the site.

Even some of our illustrious banned or suspended posters didn't argue so consistently and long winded.
 
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97spiderfan said:
I see all of these replies on a thread and think something exciting has happened. But nope it just 4700 arguing with a poster over some perceived slight. I know I can beat my drum at times, but this dude has got to be the most annoying poster on the site.

Even some of our illustrious banned or suspended posters didn't argue so consistently and long winded.
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don’t think it’s fair to blame him when everybody on here bashes on him like you just did here and he has to defend himself because anything he says is attacked because it’s a different opinion and therefore wrong. I disagree with him very often but it’s opinion and not fact that we are discussing.

I expect a lot better than this from you 97
 
I do find the topic of this thread a bit out of tune with reality at this time. I know we are all hoping for a Richmond Fab Five class, but we still have all five slots to fill. Would be a great start to land Jason Nelson, that would sure get it off and running. Or Rodney Rice. As opposed to some of the naysayers and apologists, I like to think optimistic and think we can fill the spots with outstanding, well thought of recruits. I do see some of the truther/defeatist attitude filtering in with usual suspects: wow, how are we going to get good recruits when we have good players in front of them? Woe is me. That is the OLD Mooney defeatist attitude. Dayton, and SDSU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, VCU - these types of schools use it as a positive. That is the new Mooney thinking, let's go out and get 4-5 more top players and keep this thing rolling. I am for the new Mooney way of thinking.
 
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