Randolph Transferring

[spiderman]

The difference I see is that Randolph could also be a ball handler - Roche last year treated the ball like a hot potato - getting it out of his hand (either shooting or passing it) as quickly as possible. Hopefully Roche is working on that this summer.

definitely. Roche's role is to shoot it if he has an inch.

Randolph was a better ball handler but by no means a PG. he could help bring the ball up, but he wasn't going to create for someone or drive to finish. so end of the day I don't know how much the ball handling helped.

I think if Dji is our top PG, I'd be hesitant to play Roche with him. I like Dji's vision in the half court, but he worried me a little bringing the ball up. a second handler would help. pair Dji with a Randolph or a Darius Brown if we land him.

but assuming King is a guy who doesn't need the ball handling help, Roche could fit perfectly with him.

 

[SpiderDad75]

definitely. Roche's role is to shoot it if he has an inch.

Randolph was a better ball handler but by no means a PG. he could help bring the ball up, but he wasn't going to create for someone or drive to finish. so end of the day I don't know how much the ball handling helped.

I think if Dji is our top PG, I'd be hesitant to play Roche with him. I like Dji's vision in the half court, but he worried me a little bringing the ball up. a second handler would help. pair Dji with a Randolph or a Darius Brown if we land him.

but assuming King is a guy who doesn't need the ball handling help, Roche could fit perfectly with him.

agree, I do think Dji's ball handling is better than we've seen however. I would like to see a King, Dji, Bigs, TB, Neal...then Roche, Aidan, and Waltz. But of course we need at least one more guy from the portal and 2 if TB decides to not come back. Not going to discount Smith and Collin either, although maybe Collin gets more time than Smith depending on who else we get.

 

[PASpider]

Offseason Player Analysis - 1 - Marcus Randolph

Seemed to benefit from not red shirting, getting early playing time, then seemed to tail off at end of season a bit. Pros Shot 40% from 3. He is shot ready. Shoots with confidence. Good form and gets shot off quick. Energy. Bring energy and confidence off the bench. Can come in and make...

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Here was my write up, I think most folks agreed. Marcus may have been in general agreement as well. I just don't recall Randolph getting to the rim and finishing very often at all. Mostly due to his handle and then size. I did think he was great at being shot ready and having a quick release, similar to Roche. I think Roche actually was better at mid range, i.e. when he tried to drive and got stuck - he could get off the 10-12 footer. Not knocking Marcus, and hope he is great at his next stop, hopefully not the A10

I actually think that he could be really good driving the ball, but we didn’t get to see as much of it because he was too deferential to the older players. I think inconsistent playing time and worrying about getting yanked couldn’t help that either, unlike Goose who inexplicably seemed to get guaranteed minutes. I saw a very confident player when he played the Hawks. I think his athleticism allows him to do things offensively and defensively that Roche will never be able to do. I saw him being way more energy than Roche as well.

 

[spider23]

Roche plays with a ton of energy. I do agree that Randolph has more upside likely. In fact, I said if he can improve his handles (too many times drove in traffic and could not get to the rim), he could be like Gonzo, who is one of my favorite guards I have seen at Richmond.

 

[coach fezz]

Roche plays with a ton of energy. I do agree that Randolph has more upside likely. In fact, I said if he can improve his handles (too many times drove in traffic and could not get to the rim), he could be like Gonzo, who is one of my favorite guards I have seen at Richmond.

yes Gonzo I liked these days then

 

[VT4700]

Anyone heard anything on where Randolph might be headed?

 

[spider23]

Doesn't seem to be a peep, at least on the social media or web. Of course did not see anything about O'boyle for ever and then boom at Penn State. Guess everyone keeping this close to the vest. I wonder if a return is a possibility?

 

[gcarter52]

Anyone heard anything on where Randolph might be headed?

It’s all quiet in the portal.

 

[VT4700]

Doesn't seem to be a peep, at least on the social media or web. Of course did not see anything about O'boyle for ever and then boom at Penn State. Guess everyone keeping this close to the vest. I wonder if a return is a possibility?

I would always welcome a guy like him, with his situation, back.

1. He is a great character and chemistry guy. Just always seems to have a great attitude.

2. He is a good player who could help us next year.

3. He has been a reserve for 2 years with not a huge amount of minutes, and no guarantee of starting, or even getting a lot of minutes next season. So, I have no issues with exploring what is out there if more playing time is what he is looking for.

4. Had he been a starter with big minutes here, I'm not sure that is a guy I would want back if he is in the portal. Because, if not playing time, what else was it that makes you think anything would change if he came back?

5. If he does transfer for more playing time, a lesser, more middle of the road conference is probably where he should be looking. I don't see him finding a lot of immediate time laterally or higher up.

6. I really like that guy, and wish him the best with whatever he chooses.

 

[spider23]

Agree with most of that, in line with my thinking too. By all accounts and appearances he does seem like a good team guy. Per my evaluation thread, I do feel like he is a good 3 shooter with quick release. And I do think he has upside if he can increase his ability to make plays for himself and others off the dribble. No idea if this is even a consideration, but I would not be against it.

Will say I recall Gonzo transferring, then coming back and having a great career. Also, I think Kenny Atkinson announced he was transferring, but came back. That one worked out pretty good too.

Now that we brought this up, we will probably see that he is transferring to Temple in the next 10 minutes.

 

[PASpider]

When did Gonzo transfer out?

 

[spider23]

When did Gonzo transfer out?

No, he announced he was transferring - that is what I meant. But ended up coming back. I think freshman year, but could be wrong.

 

[spider23]

Gonzalvez Will Return To Richmond; Morris Requests Release - University of Richmond Athletics

ND, Va. - Freshman guard David Gonzalvez (Marietta, Ga.) will remain at the University of Richmond, head coach Chris Mooney announced today. Gonzalvez had previously

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[SFspidur]

Yeah, he didn't actually transfer out, but he requested his release after his freshman year. He then had what he called an awakening that shifted his attitude and he reconsidered. Mooney welcomed him back but he also had to ask forgiveness from the team. The rest is history.

 

[spider fan]

Getting on the memory train with Gonzo - great outgoing personality and fun to watch on the court. Big difference in those days was the requirement to sit out a year. Now that factor is gone and makes transferring a lot easier.

 

[spider23]

Big difference in those days was the requirement to sit out a year. Now that factor is gone and makes transferring a lot easier.

Yep, and Gonzo loved to play. I recall someone talking about him out on the RC floor after games playing kids out of the stands 1 vs 1. Gym Rat. The Gym Rat factor is something that really can elevate a player. I think Gilly had it, would see video of him in open runs and training sessions in KC. Atkinson was like that, I remember the day after the season ended him in the carpet gym game after game.

As much as there are trainers now, that does not simulate games and scrimmaging, and playing 1 v1 and 3 vs 3. While you do need the skill work, those playing opportunities really allow guys how to score in traffic, think the game, create space, etc.

 

[PASpider]

Gonzalvez Will Return To Richmond; Morris Requests Release - University of Richmond Athletics

ND, Va. - Freshman guard David Gonzalvez (Marietta, Ga.) will remain at the University of Richmond, head coach Chris Mooney announced today. Gonzalvez had previously

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Wow, forgot all about that.

 

[Ferrum Spider]

Wow, forgot all about that.

Gonzo does not get talked enough on this board because he gets over shadowed by KA while he was here. Fact is, he made KA's life a lot easier while they played together. IMO KA's JR year we were a better with Gonzo than the team his senior, just got the better NCAA matchups. We have had a lot of success finding small PGs to fit our system, but have not had as much success finding a player of his caliber at that position.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Said it in another post - Mooney has success when you have top level PG and a top level Big Man to go with them. BUT - like you said - you then need a 3rd piece in there. Could be a Gonzo, could be a Burton like 2 years ago, Harper, etc. Right now on our current roster - maybe we have the big man in Quinn, but thats a big maybe and thats about it.

 

[MountainSpider]

Said it in another post - Mooney has success when you have top level PG and a top level Big Man to go with them. BUT - like you said - you then need a 3rd piece in there. Could be a Gonzo, could be a Burton like 2 years ago, Harper, etc. Right now on our current roster - maybe we have the big man in Quinn, but thats a big maybe and thats about it.

Right now on our current roster we have King, Quinn, and Burton in those roles. King and Quinn probably aren't going to be as good as the other top PGs and big men, but it is still a solid top 3 especially since Burton is more than a 3rd piece. If we maintain Burton, we probably still need a solid 4th piece to be NIT or better, but we still have a number of shots at that in the portal.

 

[spiderman]

If we maintain Burton, we probably still need a solid 4th piece to be NIT or better, but we still have a number of shots at that in the portal.

agreed but we also have a number of shots at that on the current roster.

 

[brooklyn brownstone]

What it also does when you have 3 quality scorers is allow other guys to fit into natural roles and not have to press them to be big time scorers if that’s nat their natural game. Bigelow is a guy I see as a great complementary player in what he brings but I’d much rather have him as a 4th piece than ask him to be the 2nd leading scorer. If he is hot or has a great matchup he can explode for 20 but asking him to be a 15 ppg guy isn’t his game. I do feel that scoring is Roche’s game and staff should ask him to get up all those shots and the minutes to do that.

Right now I see next year’s scoring hierarchy as
Quinn/King
Roche
Bigelow
(5th starter)

If Tyler returns, he goes to the top obvs and Roche drops out of the starting lineup bc Moon sees him as a SF.

 

[SpiderTrap]

What it also does when you have 3 quality scorers is allow other guys to fit into natural roles and not have to press them to be big time scorers if that’s nat their natural game. Bigelow is a guy I see as a great complementary player in what he brings but I’d much rather have him as a 4th piece than ask him to be the 2nd leading scorer. If he is hot or has a great matchup he can explode for 20 but asking him to be a 15 ppg guy isn’t his game. I do feel that scoring is Roche’s game and staff should ask him to get up all those shots and the minutes to do that.

Right now I see next year’s scoring hierarchy as
Quinn/King
Roche
Bigelow
(5th starter)

If Tyler returns, he goes to the top obvs and Roche drops out of the starting lineup bc Moon sees him as a SF.

I expect King to have a similar year as Quinn did last year. Quinn came in as an all-Patriot league player, putting up good numbers but had a difficult time adjusting to the step up competition.

King is an all Big South selection who put up good numbers based on volume. Even Roche - who was a guy who had a good shooting percentage, was not able to transition to better competition and stay a high percentage.

My point being - not every player that puts up good numbers in a lower league, puts up same numbers when they move up. Sometimes 15 points and 7.4 rebounds turns out to be 10 points and 5 rebounds in the A10. Same might end up being true for King 15 points and 3 assists might equate to only 10 points and 2 assists when he moves up. it might not - he might have better numbers. But not every single player that transfer works out.

 

[fan2011]

Roche doesn’t take a lot of shots per minute. He needed a lot of minutes as a freshmen to get his stats. He actually took more shots per minute and was more efficient at Richmond, just didn’t get the same volume of minutes.

I expect King to take the same amount of shots, play the same number of minutes, and be roughly as efficient at Richmond. Should see very similar stats to last year I think.

 

[spider23]

Well, with Quinn, the eye test showed he was slower than typical A10 big man. Which was backed up by a source that had seen him play in person quite a bit.

With King, he looks more like he will translate - he appears quick for any league.

 

[spiderman]

Roche doesn’t take a lot of shots per minute. He needed a lot of minutes as a freshmen to get his stats. He actually took more shots per minute and was more efficient at Richmond, just didn’t get the same volume of minutes.

Roche's stats per 40 minutes are almost identical year over year.
his eFG% was slightly higher at the Citadel.

Jason Roche College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Jason Roche - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

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[fan2011]

Roche's stats per 40 minutes are almost identical year over year.
his eFG% was slightly higher at the Citadel.

Jason Roche College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Jason Roche - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

www.sports-reference.com

I believe that website includes non-d1 games in their stats. If you remove those Roche has a higher eFG% at Richmond.

And the per 40 stats being similar is my point. Roche didn’t perform worse when he moved up to a higher conference, he just got fewer minutes. If King gets the same minutes I expect him to perform similarly to last year.

 

[SpiderTrap]

So are we saying what we got from Roche last year is the best we can expect? Same with Quinn? If that is the case - we are in big trouble.

I think it might be true with Roche, but for Quinn - I saw flashes where he showed he could be an all-league player (and yes - we need him to be all A10) - he just was not able to sustain that level for all minutes in the game and he was very inconsistent. But I think those are fixable.

King - we will see. My main concern is that the A10 is usually a guards league, whereas I think Quinn was stepping in where the league is generally not strong - King will have a lot of competition on a nightly basis.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

So are we saying what we got from Roche last year is the best we can expect? Same with Quinn? If that is the case - we are in big trouble.

I think it might be true with Roche, but for Quinn - I saw flashes where he showed he could be an all-league player (and yes - we need him to be all A10) - he just was not able to sustain that level for all minutes in the game and he was very inconsistent. But I think those are fixable.

King - we will see. My main concern is that the A10 is usually a guards league, whereas I think Quinn was stepping in where the league is generally not strong - King will have a lot of competition on a nightly basis.

I'm willing to bet that King is going to score. The So. Con is at least equal to the A-10 in my opinion, and he will be green lighted since Spiders have no other scoring guards. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't average at least what he has in the past.

Quinn should score at a better clip too. 1) He is a year older, 2) More mature, 3) Hopefully worked to get better, 4) Most importantly, he should have guards who will do a better job feeding him the ball on time, and in a place were he can do something with it. Two irritating things about the guard who left were A) he stood and held the ball far too much, B) he regularly threw that soft, 11-ft high lob to Quinn. By the time Quinn caught the ball and landed, the defense had time to surround (and often double) him. Though the entry lob can sometimes be the right pass, the frequent lazy, poor 11-foot lob should mostly be gone.

The other thing that should help Quinn score is multiple outside threats on the floor with him. King, Roche, Noyes, and whoever else need to be making some three's. That will give Quinn more room.

As stated, Roche will score more if he is on the floor with other outside threats.

Management of the combinations and playing time should be our greatest concern, as it is every year.

 

[Ferrum Spider]

I'm willing to bet that King is going to score. The So. Con is at least equal to the A-10 in my opinion, and he will be green lighted since Spiders have no other scoring guards. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't average at least what he has in the past.

Quinn should score at a better clip too. 1) He is a year older, 2) More mature, 3) Hopefully worked to get better, 4) Most importantly, he should have guards who will do a better job feeding him the ball on time, and in a place were he can do something with it. Two irritating things about the guard who left were A) he stood and held the ball far too much, B) he regularly threw that soft, 11-ft high lob to Quinn. By the time Quinn caught the ball and landed, the defense had time to surround (and often double) him. Though the entry lob can sometimes be the right pass, the frequent lazy, poor 11-foot lob should mostly be gone.

The other thing that should help Quinn score is multiple outside threats on the floor with him. King, Roche, Noyes, and whoever else need to be making some three's. That will give Quinn more room.

As stated, Roche will score more if he is on the floor with other outside threats.

Management of the combinations and playing time should be our greatest concern, as it is every year.

This is not your fathers A10. Honestly not much better than the CAA that we left at this point.

 

[brooklyn brownstone]

Trap, I think Roche can and will score at a higher per game average, it's just a matter of getting him the looks. Not looks where there are 5s left on the clock and a non-shooter passes him the ball when he's closely guarded. But actually running better sets to find shots. If the offense needs to be adjusted to make that happen, so be it. One of my main gripes was watching the offense find the open man, as it is designed to do, and that guy is a non-shooter, so it gets reset back to the top. If the offense requires 5 shooters on the court, then put 5 shooters out there. Otherwise, adjust it to fit the personnel.

As to Randolph, and this thread topic, I'd be happy if he returned as well. No idea if that is in the works or not but he has upside as a scorer in my opinion, just needs the staff to stress that to him and not force him into a singular "energy guy" role.

 

[urfan1]

I agree with the Quinn comments above, I would put him in an intense weight program or something similar to Seal training this summer.

 

[AnnapSpider]

How does this portal thing work if a player wants to change his mind and come back?
Can we re-recruit him?

 

[8legs1dream]

How does this portal thing work if a player wants to change his mind and come back?
Can we re-recruit him?

happens all the time

 

[SpiderDad75]

How does this portal thing work if a player wants to change his mind and come back?
Can we re-recruit him?

We can, but I wouldn’t expect to see Marcus coming back through that door. But crazier things have happened.

 

[spiders13]

We can, but I wouldn’t expect to see Marcus coming back through that door. But crazier things have happened.

Agreed. I talked to a former player too, he said not likely AT all, but never say never in this world

 

[97spiderfan]

Agreed. I talked to a former player too, he said not likely AT all, but never say never in this world

Would love to know the story behind his leaving. He seemed like a player that was all in and was earning more time. A player like Nelson, I get, he lost all of his mojo, had people chirping in his ear, lacked some maturity in my opinion. But Randolph seemed like the complete opposite situation.

 

[VT4700]

Would love to know the story behind his leaving. He seemed like a player that was all in and was earning more time. A player like Nelson, I get, he lost all of his mojo, had people chirping in his ear, lacked some maturity in my opinion. But Randolph seemed like the complete opposite situation.

I think just as simple as wondering about playing time. From day 1 in the portal, we have contacted numerous guards for next year. His minutes did go up from 3.1 a game his 1st year to 12.6 last year, but there were no guarantees that would increase this year, and depending on who we added, it could decrease.

 

[97spiderfan]

I think just as simple as wondering about playing time. From day 1 in the portal, we have contacted numerous guards for next year. His minutes did go up from 3.1 a game his 1st year to 12.6 last year, but there were no guarantees that would increase this year, and depending on who we added, it could decrease.

It could be, it just seem with the certainty expressed from 2 posters about him not returning that their might be more to the story.

 

[kneepadmckinney]

Also, he came in with Dread and Nelson, and both those guys also left. Could be a "my best friends are no longer here" thing that made it easier to cut the cord.