Potential transfers

[spiderman]

right now I'm feeling good about our 11. I'd love a strong 12th but either he or one of the solid guys we have already isn't playing. if you have 13 capable A10 guys, 4 aren't playing. talk about player development all you want but in today's landscape, some of those 4 guys will be unhappy and will seek better opportunities elsewhere if they don't see a clear shot for themselves the following season.

97, you can't just ignore that this is suddenly very common. this isn't a UR issue. it's going on everywhere.

Coach's batting average is down this spring. kind of reminds me of when we were after Andrew White, Terry Henderson and Marshall Wood. when you target really good players that the big schools also want, we're going to lose most of the time.

could just play it safe and ask the average girl to dance. if you ask a bunch of smoke-shows, you'll get turned down a lot. but the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[SFspidur]

 

[MrTbone]

right now I'm feeling good about our 11. I'd love a strong 12th but either he or one of the solid guys we have already isn't playing. if you have 13 capable A10 guys, 4 aren't playing. talk about player development all you want but in today's landscape, some of those 4 guys will be unhappy and will seek better opportunities elsewhere if they don't see a clear shot for themselves the following season.

97, you can't just ignore that this is suddenly very common. this isn't a UR issue. it's going on everywhere.

Coach's batting average is down this spring. kind of reminds me of when we were after Andrew White, Terry Henderson and Marshall Wood. when you target really good players that the big schools also want, we're going to lose most of the time.

could just play it safe and ask the average girl to dance. if you ask a bunch of smoke-shows, you'll get turned down a lot. but the juice is worth the squeeze.

There is a lot of reality in this, but one thing that's missing is that we'd much rather choose who our best 9 players are, than only be able to choose from 9 players. That's the difference to me in having a full complement of scholarships.

 

[SpiderHoops32]

if you have 13 capable A10 guys, 4 aren't playing.

I agree that this is an issue all over CBB. But competition would help us, best players play. I would rather have players transfer because they couldn't beat out another player for a spot than them transferring because they couldn't play on an A10 level, or even a D1 level.

Obviously it's harder to recruit a kid when you already have multiple guys, but it would be nice to have at least 10 capable A10 level players on our roster.

 

[SpiderHoops32]

Currently, I think we only have three A10 level players. (This is excluding the new guys because we haven't seen them) The rest are unproven or just not good enough.

TJ
SDJ
KF

 

[spiderman]

well, since most teams play about 8 guys, and most teams graduate 3 or 4, then every team has only a handful of proven guys returning.
Marshall's A10 level to me, and I'll be shocked if Bernard and the freshmen aren't. I agree Paul, Julius and Jesse have more to prove. but they'll get their chance.

 

[fan2011]

Either we stick with inferior talent (Diekvoss/Smithen) or we don't fill our schollies. I reject both of those options. Shouldn't the expectation be for a coach in his 11th year that he fill all roster spots with A-10 capable players.

As for leaving a space or two open for some golden nugget to land in our laps. Well, first of all that never happens to us and secondly at some point you can't fill them because it is too late and the semester starts, we are getting close to that point now. And then they just become what they are, unfilled scholarships.

I don't care what other schools are doing, playing with less than a full deck is just that and you can't convince me otherwise.

I think this is a very good question to ask, (except the 11th season part, I don't think it is very relevant). We should certainly be critical of our coach, but our criticism needs to be realistic. Before we apply expectations to our program we need to understand if the expectation is reasonable. I think a good way to do this is to apply the expectation to other programs and see which ones pass and which ones fail. Let us see which programs in the A10 meet your expectation:

Programs that pass:
Duquesne
Fordham
George Washington
UMass
URI
SLU

Programs that fail:
Dayton
Davidson
George Mason
La Salle
St. Joe's
St. Bonaventure
VCU

I would rather be in the group of programs that fail to meet your expectations, which means your expectation is probably not a good one. Am I saying that having unused scholarships is better than using all of them? No. But the reality is that it clearly doesn't have a large impact on a program's ability to succeed since the most successful A10 programs all fail to meet your expectation.

 

[SpiderHoops32]

Marshall's A10 level to me, and I'll be shocked if Bernard and the freshmen aren't.

Based on this year I just don't see Marshall as an A10 level player. He is a one-dimensional player who can't defend at all. Although he can catch lighting in a bottle sometimes, he didn't really contribute anything besides his shooting. And from what I have heard he isn't the hardest worker, so I'm not expecting much from him this season.

 

[97spiderfan]

Interesting, thanks for the comparison Fan 11. I will say in looking at those, almost all of the programs who are full, have used 12 of the 13 schollies, versus our 11. Davidson is the only other program with 11 scholarship (Yes, Dayton is only using 11 as well but that is because one of their players died last week).

It will be interesting to see how things end up with all of these schools because I'm sure like us these schools are still trolling the waters.

Another thing you have to consider is roster composition. After next year, we will be down to 7 scholarship players, only 2 of which will be big men. Knowing that big men (especially ones that we often get) take longer to develop, this leaves a pretty big hole in next year's roster.

This is why we were wanted a guy like Skara so badly and also why I see this as a bigger issue. It impacts our ability to compete less this year but much greater in future years if your pipeline isn't full.

 

[urmite]

can't understand Cooke's mind set. should have had a nice college career. he found the fit twice, and will only have one year left. now leaning towards Nevada.

And I haven't seen this posted here yet...

 

[MrTbone]

Interesting, thanks for the comparison Fan 11. I will say in looking at those, almost all of the programs who are full, have used 12 of the 13 schollies, versus our 11. Davidson is the only other program with 11 scholarship (Yes, Dayton is only using 11 as well but that is because one of their players died last week).

It will be interesting to see how things end up with all of these schools because I'm sure like us these schools are still trolling the waters.

Another thing you have to consider is roster composition. After next year, we will be down to 7 scholarship players, only 2 of which will be big men. Knowing that big men (especially ones that we often get) take longer to develop, this leaves a pretty big hole in next year's roster.

This is why we were wanted a guy like Skara so badly and also why I see this as a bigger issue. It impacts our ability to compete less this year but much greater in future years if your pipeline isn't full.

+1 to the last two paragraphs here. This is really about not being behind next year (or in subsequent seasons). This year is likely a wash in terms of getting any additional contributors, but we can likely get better contribution out of transfers who at least get to practice with the team for a year, assuming they aren't just warm bodies.

 

[spiderman]

all true. but I do think that sometimes you can sell a really good player on the early opportunity. assuming we don't land another big guy this summer, Paul and Grant will be the only bigs on the roster after next season. a big coming in the next year is going to play. we'll be attractive to a good one.

 

[SFspidur]

 

[MrTbone]

all true. but I do think that sometimes you can sell a really good player on the early opportunity. assuming we don't land another big guy this summer, Paul and Grant will be the only bigs on the roster after next season. a big coming in the next year is going to play. we'll be attractive to a good one.

Clearly but I don't think we ever want to be in a position where there's so little depth. But yes, we will virtually guarantee some big guy meaningful backup minutes at a minimum their first year.

 

[Eight Legger]

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With that transfer, I think UNLV now has one player on its roster for next year.

 

[SpiderK]

Based on this year I just don't see Marshall as an A10 level player. He is a one-dimensional player who can't defend at all. Although he can catch lighting in a bottle sometimes, he didn't really contribute anything besides his shooting. And from what I have heard he isn't the hardest worker, so I'm not expecting much from him this season.

I see Marshall improving about 20 to 25% all around. He got caught up in Mooney's hardheaded rotation and knew he was coming out the first time he missed. Which is exactly what happened. This year Mooney will have to depend on him and MW will know that and rise to the occasion. Paul says he will be back playing in early August and is going to be playing in Europe. Grant is going to play a lot!!

 

[TBSpyder]

We need to play PF and Golden, no matter what. Without Deion or Terry, in the frontcourt, I fear that TJ is going to be in constant foul trouble. TJ is our proven inside scorer. We have no choice but play PF and Golden, and take our chances. The only other possibility is that we play 6'5 guys in the interior.

 

[SpiderK]

We need to play PF and Golden, no matter what. Without Deion or Terry, in the frontcourt, I fear that TJ is going to be in constant foul trouble. TJ is our proven inside scorer. We have no choice but play PF and Golden, and take our chances. The only other possibility is that we play 6'5 guys in the interior.

I see that exact scenario happening too. TJ will try to hard on D and get two quick fouls and be sitting next 10 minutes.

 

[Eight Legger]

All remaining transfers, decently capable high school recruits and several random people on the street have told CBS Sports that they are not considering Richmond.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) May 19, 2016

 

[SpiderHoops32]

All remaining transfers, decently capable high school recruits and several random people on the street have told CBS Sports that they are not considering Richmond.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) May 19, 2016

So we're out on this KoVien guy?

 

[SFspidur]

Think we still have a chance with Andrew White...

 

[Ulla1]

Heard that Kobe wasn't interested, although he said that he liked spiders. OSC

 

[mcspider]

Another thing you have to consider is roster composition. After next year, we will be down to 7 scholarship players, only 2 of which will be big men. Knowing that big men (especially ones that we often get) take longer to develop, this leaves a pretty big hole in next year's roster.

This is why we were wanted a guy like Skara so badly and also why I see this as a bigger issue. It impacts our ability to compete less this year but much greater in future years if your pipeline isn't full.

I think this is partially misleading. We have 11 now, and we lose 4 this year via graduation to go down to 7. But we do already have two guys with verbal commitments for 2017, so that's really 9. And while a verbal is not definite like a letter of intent is, it's not like we will be recruiting to fill 6 spots. We will be recruiting to fill 4. All that being said I agree with the gist of the full post.

 

[MrTbone]

I think this is partially misleading. We have 11 now, and we lose 4 this year via graduation to go down to 7. But we do already have two guys with verbal commitments for 2017, so that's really 9. And while a verbal is not definite like a letter of intent is, it's not like we will be recruiting to fill 6 spots. We will be recruiting to fill 4. All that being said I agree with the gist of the full post.

Unfortunately, neither Marquis or Bryce would qualify as a big. So yes, we have a headstart on 2017 but we still are going to be very thin on frontcourt experience, even if we are successful landing some bigs next year.

 

[fan2011]

Unfortunately, neither Marquis or Bryce would qualify as a big. So yes, we have a headstart on 2017 but we still are going to be very thin on frontcourt experience, even if we are successful landing some bigs next year.

I think ulla said quis is up to 6'7 or so. Should be 6'9 to 7'0 by the time he gets here.

 

[GKiller]

Leaving 1 open is ok - that would go to Kirby anyway, and for all we know the staff may have planned to keep him on scholarship regardless. But we should the fill the other. I doubt it will be a freshman but a transfer that sits out is very reasonable still. And all indications are the staff wants to. Anyone who says having 2 ships open is a good thing well Mooney clearly doesn't agree. They have just missed on some guys. Wesson, Ford, (bit unlucky with those 2) other transfers, still trying on Skara. I would be ok taking a flyer on an under the radar/developmental frosh too. No it hasn't worked out recently. But if it does you're stealing one. We need the depth too, but really it's a numbers game. When you're not a blue blood picking top 100s I think the numbers game is even more important to find that hidden gem. The scholarship situation will work itself out. Look at the transfers, we are not immune to it, we were for many years under Mooney but that was an anomaly. You have to anticipate losing 1 a year for all sorts of reasons. I like what we got coming back and coming in, but to me it would be a disappointment if we can't add another with the chances we've had. Also please fill the max allowable NCAA games. We left 1 open last year. That's just a staff prerequisite in my mind.

 

[spiderman]

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Anyone who says having 2 ships open is a good thing well Mooney clearly doesn't agree.

I don't think anyone is saying it's a good thing. just rationalizing.
I doubt a freshman is realistic at this point. anyone decent HS SR not committed by now is likely going juco for grades, I'd think. transfer is still possible, but we're running out of targets.

 

[97spiderfan]

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I don't think anyone is saying it's a good thing. just rationalizing.
I doubt a freshman is realistic at this point. anyone decent HS SR not committed by now is likely going juco for grades, I'd think. transfer is still possible, but we're running out of targets.

Thank you. What frustrates me about this board is the rationalizing. Just admit having 2 open scholarships is a not a good thing and stop rationalizing and trying to make it sound like it is OK or actually a good thing.

But, I'm glad you have finally admitted that. See it wasn't that bad, was it?

 

[Ulla1]

Would point out regarding big men (6'8" or taller), our most recent Sweet 16 team only had four serviceable guys: Darrius Garrett, Dan Geriot, Josh Duinker and Justin Harper. This coming year we will open up with four guys: TJ Cline, Paul Friendshuh, Grant Golden and Marshall Wood. IMHO, the current group compares well with the former one. Add Malcolm Bernard, and our skilled and athletic 6'4" guards, who play much bigger than their height, and we will be formidable. Really looking forward to this season and our return to the NCAA tournament. Roll Spide! OSC

 

[Eight Legger]

JOC reported yesterday that there may be some academic issue with Bernard, since otherwise they normally would have announced him officially by now. Guess we will see.

 

[SpiderK]

Mooney made it clear at the beginning of the party that he could not discuss anyone but the three we have. Looks like everyone else is still up in the air.

 

[spiderman]

Thank you. What frustrates me about this board is the rationalizing. Just admit having 2 open scholarships is a not a good thing and stop rationalizing and trying to make it sound like it is OK or actually a good thing.

But, I'm glad you have finally admitted that. See it wasn't that bad, was it?

lol. don't misunderstand me. I never said it was a good thing, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as you continue to make it out to be. I don't want to just fill the spot. I can live with 11. I repeat, we won't need #12. if we can find a #8, then by all means. we've tried very hard and came close with some awesome prospects, but didn't land them. don't settle now. if we find a player who we think will help some day, then great. but I think that pool is pretty dry at this time of the year. we'll see.

 

[SFspidur]

Would point out regarding big men (6'8" or taller), our most recent Sweet 16 team only had four serviceable guys: Darrius Garrett, Dan Geriot, Josh Duinker and Justin Harper. This coming year we will open up with four guys: TJ Cline, Paul Friendshuh, Grant Golden and Marshall Wood.

All four of the big men on the Sweet Sixteen team were juniors and seniors. We also had Conor Smith if needed and D Will who wasn't tall but played a big man role.

Next year we're relying on a freshman and a guy who's played 26 minutes in his career to fill half of our four big man spots.

 

[KWeaver]

Would point out regarding big men (6'8" or taller), our most recent Sweet 16 team only had four serviceable guys: Darrius Garrett, Dan Geriot, Josh Duinker and Justin Harper. This coming year we will open up with four guys: TJ Cline, Paul Friendshuh, Grant Golden and Marshall Wood. IMHO, the current group compares well with the former one. Add Malcolm Bernard, and our skilled and athletic 6'4" guards, who play much bigger than their height, and we will be formidable. Really looking forward to this season and our return to the NCAA tournament. Roll Spide! OSC

You indicated that they were serviceable. They were also proven. In this group coming in, we have 1 proven guy, 1 mostly proven guy (though he plays smaller than his height by and large) and two completely unproven guys. C'mon, Ulla! You're better than that!

 

[spiderman]

Duinker certainly wasn't proven. not sure if he was serviceable.
Friendshuh and Golden aren't proven, but that doesn't mean they aren't good. we'll see.

 

[SpiderK]

Mooney is 6'8", get him off the meds and get out there and angry. Maybe get a few rebounds. Any eligibility left??

 

[SFspidur]

No idea of any potential interest here, but another big guy hitting the grad transfer market. Prepped at Hargrave.

 

[fan2011]

No idea of any potential interest here, but another big guy hitting the grad transfer market. Prepped at Hargrave.

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Minnesota somehow only had 2 players who played in all 31 of their games last season. The Golden Gophers have won 25, 18 and 8 games under Pitino, the program is spiraling into the abyss, he must be on the hot seat.

If we can get this guy as a transfer I would be for it but I think there will be tons of P5 programs calling him. He seems to be able to score efficiently but doesn't have good rebounding numbers for his size.

 

[SFspidur]

A Euro big man?

No idea of his potential...he played 23 minutes all year and went 0-for-2 from the field and 2-for-4 from the line.

 

[Ulla1]

A Euro big man?

No idea of his potential...he played 23 minutes all year and went 0-for-2 from the field and 2-for-4 from the line.

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At least he can make some free throws. OSC