Pitino to Iona

[plydogg]

First off, hope all are in good health! Pitino with the strippers/prostitutes is in a class all by himself for POS coach. Okay, giving some money to poverty situation kids I can understand, but morally the guy is scum for thinking of even entertaining that perk for the recruits!

PS He's an excellent coach

Taking 18 year olds to strip clubs is making their wildest dreams come true. It isn't like he's injecting heroin into them. There are so many things he could have done that are actually bad, and taking kids to do something that they could have just gone and done on their own to me is not bad.

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

Ok ply, didn't expect that from you, but respect everyone's opinion. I believe doing it on your own different than enticing them? I guess no doubt you would rather have Slick Rick coaching your kid If he played at UR instead of Mooney. 10X better coach.

Well don't know if you remember John Chaney at Temple? Early-early morning practices which would show whether the young man went to bed at a proper time. He was tough on the sideline vocally ripping into players for all to see.

Though you know what, my guess is those player's parents rest assured their kids were growing up outside b-ball court as well as inside the lines. We all know Pitino had to know what was going on, but the bigger picture was his top priority. Similar to Joe Pa.

 

[plydogg]

Ok ply, didn't expect that from you, but respect everyone's opinion. I believe doing it on your own different than enticing them? I guess no doubt you would rather have Slick Rick coaching your kid If he played at UR instead of Mooney. 10X better coach.

Well don't know if you remember John Chaney at Temple? Early-early morning practices which would show whether the young man went to bed at a proper time. He was tough on the sideline vocally ripping into players for all to see.

Though you know what, my guess is those player's parents rest assured their kids were growing up outside b-ball court as well as inside the lines. We all know Pitino had to know what was going on, but the bigger picture was his top priority. Similar to Joe Pa.

I may have downplayed it a bit, I'm more of a "everybody is *probably* doing it, he's just the one that got caught". My friend was recruited for baseball and it wasn't a top school and the stories he had from his recruiting trip were absolutely wild.

Pitino is definitely one of those coaches that is all about the basketball and I would never argue he is one of the coaches that is there for basketball but also to mold his players into young men.

Also I will admit if this was Shaka Smart and not Pitino i would be ripping him so I am definitely 100% biased here. I agree with you a lot more than I let on at first though.

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

Ply, fair enough and like you said enough coaches like Pitino just haven't been caught in the act. When they get caught, I be down on them too. I think this short back and forth has given me a greater respect for the person Chris Mooney. The virus concern >>> sports. Coach Mooney, just make it past the 1st round in 2020-21 so I won't have to be negative toward you basketball wise.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Watching the replay of the Duke-Kentucky 1992 Regional Final is a good reminder that Pitino is a helluva coach. The full replay is on the NCAA March Madness app, and they broadcast it on CBS this past weekend.

For UK to go toe-to-toe with that Duke team in "the greatest college basketball game ever played" (and lose on an iconic buzzer-beater) is a testament to this. Just look at the comparative rosters. Not guarding Grant Hill on the in-bound was a mistake, but what a game.

 

[32counter]

Louisville receives notice of allegations: NCAA penalties Rick Pitino could face as he begins Iona tenure

Pitino could miss up to half a season if the NCAA finds his actions were aggravative in nature

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...k-pitino-could-face-as-he-begins-iona-tenure/

 

[SpiderTrap]

I would expect Iona to make the dance more than once in the next 4 years. And I would not be surprised if one of those trips goes past the first weekend.
You might not like the way he does it - but the fact remains, his teams win, he is a big name, and he has connections - so he will get good recruits to come to Iona - and at Iona, you just need 1 or 2 really good players and you can ride them to the NCAA tourney.

 

[spiderman]

we'll see. he can't do (or chose to not see) the things that got him in so much trouble before. and Iona isn't Kentucky or Louisville and it's not in the Big East like Providence.

he's a big name and has contacts but I don't think kids will turn down offers from higher conference to play for him at Iona.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

Seems that what some are missing is that Pitino doesn't need the 5 best players in the country on his team to win big at Iona. His coaching ability can and will facilitate winning big if he is able to bring in a handful of top players. That will happen.

As far as the strippers and the cash, Pitino himself was not procuring or providing the vices as some on here are insinuating. He ALLOWED his assistants to provide the perks by turning a blind eye. That doesn't exonerate him, but that is different than he himself being the pimp. Unless he brings the guilty assistants with him to Iona, totally different situation. .

Pitino facilitated the mess at Louisville because his personal moral compass is not set on North, AND, because he is a win at all costs sort of person. As long as they were competing for National Championships, he didn't care. I doubt that he has changed much as a man, but he won't face the demand to win a National title at Iona during his rehabilitation period. He is likely still an egomaniac personally, but I don't see the pressure or the need for him to condone the shady business like he did at Louisville.

 

[VT4700]

I would expect Iona to make the dance more than once in the next 4 years. And I would not be surprised if one of those trips goes past the first weekend.
You might not like the way he does it - but the fact remains, his teams win, he is a big name, and he has connections - so he will get good recruits to come to Iona - and at Iona, you just need 1 or 2 really good players and you can ride them to the NCAA tourney.

You said you would expect them to make the dance more than once in the next 4 years, but who wouldn't? Why wouldn't they? They made it four times in the last 5 years and 6 of the last 9 under Cluess. So, why hire Pitino and all that baggage? Plenty of other coaches could win there.

 

[urmite]

You said you would expect them to make the dance more than once in the next 4 years, but who wouldn't? Why wouldn't they? They made it four times in the last 5 years and 6 of the last 9 under Cluess. So, why hire Pitino and all that baggage? Plenty of other coaches could win there.

I wouldn't have hired him there but when was the last NCAA game they won?

 

[VT4700]

I wouldn't have hired him there but when was the last NCAA game they won?

Fair question. So, I guess they think a win or two in the dance might be worth all the baggage. I sure don't. I wouldn't hire him either, and he might even start his career there by having to sit out several games. Even if they make the dance, is it worth always wondering if and when the NCAA will come knocking, and what they will find.

 

[spider23]

I will have an interest in how things play out at Iona, however I would have had a much greater interest if Pitino was hired at Fordham. But then again, you gotta love those HOT practice pics and nice Euro train ride drama at FU now. https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog...irtless-and-barefoot-because-why-the-hell-not

 

[spider23]

Well, well, well - it does appear now that Iona and Rick have offered both Djimon and Lucas. Mooney and his milk and cookies vs Slick Rick with his blow and hookers. Kids will probably go p6 anyway, haha.

 

[spiderman]

As far as the strippers and the cash, Pitino himself was not procuring or providing the vices as some on here are insinuating. He ALLOWED his assistants to provide the perks by turning a blind eye. That doesn't exonerate him, but that is different than he himself being the pimp. Unless he brings the guilty assistants with him to Iona, totally different situation.

he's the CEO. the assistants aren't taking that risk without him knowing everything. just because he's smart enough to keep one degree of separation doesn't change the fact that he's the pimp.

 

[Spiders05]

Pitino is a POS. I say that based off personal relationships from his time in Louisville that haven't been made public. That said, the guy knows basketball - no doubt about that.

and Iona isn't Kentucky or Louisville and it's not in the Big East like Providence.

You mean, it's more like Boston U where they had 8 straight losing seasons before he turned them around and had 4 of 5 being winning seasons, including two conference championships?

 

[Not-A-Homer]

he's the CEO. the assistants aren't taking that risk without him knowing everything. just because he's smart enough to keep one degree of separation doesn't change the fact that he's the pimp.

Didn't know that you were there. Your presence on the scene obviously trumps everything else since you know that he knew everything.

You ever had somebody who reported to you at work do something terrible? Did you know everything?

How about your children? They ever do anything that you didn't authorize? Did you know everything?

 

[urmite]

The best thing about Pitino was that he recognized talent while coaching the Knicks in the late 80s...

 

[plydogg]

Didn't know that you were there. Your presence on the scene obviously trumps everything else since you know that he knew everything.

You ever had somebody who reported to you at work do something terrible? Did you know everything?

How about your children? They ever do anything that you didn't authorize? Did you know everything?

I actually just took a payroll seminar on this exact thing yesterday at work. If someone below you at work that reports to you violated a law you’re just as screwed. Unless you can prove 100% without a doubt you had no knowledge. And that’s impossible to do. You would have to have an email chain saying “no do not do this”. Even if you had no knowledge you are liable. So yes sman is correct here in regards to the law! Case law is what is most important here.

And for your children this would be the equivalent of them saying they hate a kid and want to beat them up and then you driving them to the kids house because they say they just want to play and were joking earlier and you believing it

 

[spiderman]

Didn't know that you were there. Your presence on the scene obviously trumps everything else since you know that he knew everything.

no, you're probably right. his experienced assistants probably decided on their own without his knowledge to risk all their jobs and commit major recruiting violations. that happens all the time. he's an unlucky guy. I can't believe Louisville let him go.

 

[GKiller]

Pitino is a POS. I say that based off personal relationships from his time in Louisville that haven't been made public.

Karen Sypher was public nobody needs private. Pitino Petrino. ToMAYtoe ToMAHtoe.

 

[97spiderfan]

I actually just took a payroll seminar on this exact thing yesterday at work. If someone below you at work that reports to you violated a law you’re just as screwed.

Exactly. Good leaders create an environment where ethical considerations underlie everything. Further, they take accountability as the leader if someone violates those ethics under their watch because they didn't put in place enough internal controls to ensure compliance.

Good leaders defer credit for successes to those under them and take responsibility for mistakes under their watch.

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

Early exit for 25-6 team that looked like a sure fire bid team . Very enjoyable down the stretch. Sorry kids but not a fan of your coach.

Sad that I missed Hurley's team losing to Stanford 71-70. They led 69-55 with 3:01 to play. I don't think Mooney could have even accomplished that.

 

[spider23]

Iona losing does not surprise me. I heard these Pitino truthers 😀 hyping him, but his team never could cover the spread. Maybe he was betting on the other team. Teflon Bobby sure blew that one today. So sad.

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

Maybe he was betting on the other team.

That bastard cost me a few bucks years ago when not as much trusted info was available. Big East Monday featured game UConn against Cards and Pitino. He does interview day before game saying his big man (can't recall) with nagging injury almost positively won't play next night. Guy starts, play well and I lose. He got me and never again.

 

[712_VT]

I would love to see pitino at Richmond. Would win a lot of games but they’d all get vacated in 4 years but hey at least it would be a fun ride. You think louisville regrets their national title?

 

[SpiderTrap]

There is a reason Pitino keeps getting hired - he wins. Doesn't matter if it gets vacated later, everyone knows you won on the court. Not to mention - now that you can pay players through NIL deals - he should be good to go. Big question will be does he leave Iona for a P5 job. I think he does - I think the money, ego, etc get in the way and he takes one last shot at getting to a final four.

 

[spiderman]

Big question will be does he leave Iona for a P5 job. I think he does - I think the money, ego, etc get in the way and he takes one last shot at getting to a final four.

didn't he just sign a "lifetime" contract at Iona?

 

[SpiderTrap]

Every contract is breakable - I am sure if he did sign it (last I heard he was negotiating lifetime deal) - he would have buyout to get him out, and that buyout would be paid by the new school (I remember when JB left WVU for Michigan - he had to pay WVU some money and there were discussions on whether or not Michigan would pay it or JB pay himself - usually new school picks up the tab somehow).

But Pitino is old, he lives right next to Iona school and think he walks to campus each day. I am sure they pay him very well cause of his name (think I read he makes just over 1 million at Iona) and he probably will have them at top of the league each year. So not a bad gig at his age - 69-70 years old.

 

[SpiderK]

Every contract is breakable - I am sure if he did sign it (last I heard he was negotiating lifetime deal) - he would have buyout to get him out, and that buyout would be paid by the new school (I remember when JB left WVU for Michigan - he had to pay WVU some money and there were discussions on whether or not Michigan would pay it or JB pay himself - usually new school picks up the tab somehow).

But Pitino is old, he lives right next to Iona school and think he walks to campus each day. I am sure they pay him very well cause of his name (think I read he makes just over 1 million at Iona) and he probably will have them at top of the league each year. So not a bad gig at his age - 69-70 years old.

Must be a few recruiting establishments near by with poles.

 

[whampas]

Must be a few recruiting establishments near by with poles.

Hey, he's seventy. Needs the inspiration.

 

[Wood Hall]

Must be a few recruiting establishments near by with poles.

Grove Avenue is close to campus. Is the Tempo Room still open?

 

[SpiderK]

Grove Avenue is close to campus. Is the Tempo Room still open?

Scott’s Addition has a few.

 

[SFspidur]

Hasn't Tempo Room been closed for like 40 years now? LOL

 

[urmite]

It sent me to this info about RVA in the 70s

"Ebony Island Club, aka Kozy Kat

Where: 2900 North Ave.

There were many more places that brought the fun out of Richmonders, such as the Esquire, Nightland, the Tempo Room, the Pink Garter, Maxwell’s Restaurant, Piggy’s Attaché and Top of the Tower. Some might remember private spots such as The Devil’s Club (still open), Owouti’s and The Railroad Club"

 

[urmite]

Last time I remember thinking about these type of places here...

Last Chance was advertising in the Green Section...