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Just for reference:

In the last 44 seasons we have 14 that were .500 or below.

1 Tarrant
1 Wainwright
4 Dooley
8 Mooney out of 20
 
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Tobin Anderson out at Iona after just two seasons. Finished tied for 4th in the MAAC this year and made it to the championship game.
 
SpiderTrap said:
Mooney is going nowhere, and in my opinion - he shouldn't be going anywhere after this season. College sports and coaching is all about - what have you done lately. And lately - Mooney, minus this season - has been good. Look at the last 5 years.

21 - COVID Short season - NIT Quarterfinals
22 - A10 tourney champs, win first round NCAA game.
23 - 15-18 - Mooney has medical issue.
24 - 23-10, win A10 regular season title - NIT first round
25 - 10-22.

So in 5 years - Won an NCAA game, 2 NIT appearances. 2 losing seasons, but one is asterisk with medical issue.

SO in reality - I don't even think his seat is warm at this point. Given the new landscape of college basketball, I think it is more likely for most mid-major schools to have the roller coaster up and down year to year because each year will be a new team. Gone are the years where we could say, yes, we went 10-22, but we gained experience and guys coming back will be better. Next year will be a whole new team. Remember Mooney when he first got to UR, he was able to build that first few years with KA, Gonzo, Butler, Geriot, Harper. They struggled early, but got experience. Those times are gone. You get players for 1-2 years max. Each year you will have at least 4 new players and building HS Kids is a thing of the past.

So if Mooney has another losing season next year - the seat gets warm. But if he finishes .500 or above, the administration will be happy with the "improvement".
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This is such old school thinking that no program operates under (except ours and maybe some IVY-Patriot League programs).

1. Both 21 and 22 , we were picked to finish first or second in the league but massively underperformed, having to settle for an NIT bid in 2021 and wouldn't have even made the NIT in 2022 without the miracle run as a 6 seed.
2. The NIT is meaningless. No one cares anymore about going to the NIT. You think Dayton, St. Joes, hell anyone is excited about going to the NIT this year, nope. We're we excited last year, nope, and apparently the team wasn't either.
3. Why does he get some * for a medical issue in 23? That team was sucking before he had his late season surgery.
4. And finally, the year. If you are running a real CBB program, you would look at the current roster and see if supports the fact that you are building something for next year. Our roster is terrible, worst in the league. We have nothing of value returning and 5 freshman which over your self defined past 5 year look back, please find me a high school recruit by Mooney that has been an all A-10 player. I will await your answer.

Your 5 year lookback is the most basic and cursory overview, not looking in depth at the product on the floor, did it meet expecations, what about the overall health and current trajectory of the program. That final piece should be done every year and NO ONE and I mean NO ONE could objectively look at the current trajectory of our program and say yeah, we are in good shape.
 
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This is such old school thinking that no program operates under (except ours and maybe some IVY-Patriot League programs).

1. Both 21 and 22 , we were picked to finish first or second in the league but massively underperformed, having to settle for an NIT bid in 2021 and wouldn't have even made the NIT in 2022 without the miracle run as a 6 seed.
2. The NIT is meaningless. No one cares anymore about going to the NIT. You think Dayton, St. Joes, hell anyone is excited about going to the NIT this year, nope. We're we excited last year, nope, and apparently the team wasn't either.
3. Why does he get some * for a medical issue in 23? That team was sucking before he had his late season surgery.
4. And finally, the year. If you are running a real CBB program, you would look at the current roster and see if supports the fact that you are building something for next year. Our roster is terrible, worst in the league. We have nothing of value returning and 5 freshman which over your self defined past 5 year look back, please find me a high school recruit by Mooney that has been an all A-10 player. I will await your answer.

Your 5 year lookback is the most basic and cursory overview, not looking in depth at the product on the floor, did it meet expecations, what about the overall health and current trajectory of the program. That final piece should be done every year and NO ONE and I mean NO ONE could objectively look at the current trajectory of our program and say yeah, we are in good shape.
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I don't disagree. Other than - just looking at past 5 years, I would not fire Mooney after this season, but the seat would be hot for next season start. What I am saying is our administration - the seat is not hot, and if he has another losing season next year - they will reference that time when he had back to back losing seasons both with 20 losses and then turned it around, so that alone will get him a 3rd and 4th year to try and turn it around.

Remember - this is little old Richmond. We don't have a lot of money (3 billion endowment), we don't have a strong alumni presence (how did we get the 3 billion then), students don't care about athletics (look at student attendance), and we are not trying to win, just compete. We recently cut our sports presence to include Men's lacrosse. And we recently moved our football program - a very good program in the FCS that just made the playoffs three straight years and won a game in two of them - to the Patriot league, a far lesser league than the CAA. So no matter how you look at it - sports are not a priority at UR. As much as us fans want it to be - it is not and likely never will be.
 
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Tobin Anderson out at Iona after just two seasons. Finished tied for 4th in the MAAC this year and made it to the championship game.
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Crazy. He had a nice run at end of year until losing the championship game. But Iona has had some really damn good coaches in Pitino and Cluess, so unlike us they have expectations. I know one of the freshman players on Iona's dad, just sent him a good luck text before the championship game. And Geriot as a potential replacement? Getting interesting. Small basketball world.
 
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urmite said:
My personal opinion is that many here feel we should be a Top 5 non-P5 program. I think that is unlikely no matter who is the coach or how much money we throw at it.

However it appears to me that the administration feels we can never be a Top 30 non-P5 program. I think that is wrong and that Top 15 is achievable.
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I don't think many of us here expect to be a top 5 non-P5 program, but do expect to make more than 3 NCAA tournaments in 20 years.
 
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Its amazing the speed of change at other institutions vs Richmond. Here is quote from Iona:

"With the impact of NIL changing college basketball in ways no one could have imagined, Iona feels the need to shift the direction of our men's basketball program. This requires an overhaul of our entire business model and program structure."

Here is a guy that two years ago was upsetting the #1 seed in the NCAA, and has team one game from NCAA in year 2.

Meanwhile, we keep a guy 20 years and 3 NCAA seasons, and we are going back to trying to develop guys for 3 years. Now I do think there is a place to get some hs recruits and develop them, but you have to be playing the portal game big time to shore up your roster year to year - which sounds like based on 1 year results moon is not likely to dive in this off season.

Congrats if Geriot gets the gig, good for him. Moon coaching tree growing like crazy in two days :):):)
 
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Its amazing the speed of change at other institutions vs Richmond. Here is quote from Iona:

"With the impact of NIL changing college basketball in ways no one could have imagined, Iona feels the need to shift the direction of our men's basketball program. This requires an overhaul of our entire business model and program structure."

Here is a guy that two years ago was upsetting the #1 seed in the NCAA, and has team one game from NCAA in year 2.

Meanwhile, we keep a guy 20 years and 3 NCAA seasons, and we are going back to trying to develop guys for 3 years. Now I do think there is a place to get some hs recruits and develop them, but you have to be playing the portal game big time to shore up your roster year to year - which sounds like based on 1 year results moon is not likely to dive in this off season.

Congrats if Geriot gets the gig, good for him. Moon coaching tree growing like crazy in two days :):):)
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Yep. Iona has lot of recent success and see that slipping in 2 years and cutting ties early. We do the reset with 20 years of data.

Plus that guy Tobin a little nuts it may not play well if you're losing or average.

Good luck to Geriot. Hope he gets it. The Moon tree was nothing then bang. Not the traditional tree because neither coached under him. Some r particular about how that is defined. But I think if u played under a coach especially for whole career it counts.

Will be interesting to see who goes where Radford and Iona. Definitely expecting other Spider connections on those staffs. And with McGeehan and Jenkins dismissed it could easily affect our staff movement we'll see.
 
Hopefully Geriot does not employ the weave and look to score with 4 seconds on the shot clock offense , for his sake. Believe he will also be an analtyics guy after all his time in NBA. Last time I saw Geriot, he was all over Shaka at a hs tournament in Springfield Mass. Figured he would be a mover in the coaching ranks.
 
spider23 said:
Its amazing the speed of change at other institutions vs Richmond. Here is quote from Iona:

"With the impact of NIL changing college basketball in ways no one could have imagined, Iona feels the need to shift the direction of our men's basketball program. This requires an overhaul of our entire business model and program structure."

Here is a guy that two years ago was upsetting the #1 seed in the NCAA, and has team one game from NCAA in year 2.

Meanwhile, we keep a guy 20 years and 3 NCAA seasons, and we are going back to trying to develop guys for 3 years. Now I do think there is a place to get some hs recruits and develop them, but you have to be playing the portal game big time to shore up your roster year to year - which sounds like based on 1 year results moon is not likely to dive in this off season.

Congrats if Geriot gets the gig, good for him. Moon coaching tree growing like crazy in two days :):):)
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In 6 or 7 years, we will hire a general manager.
 
look at spider23's favorite twitter account (and I agree btw they r idiots but an interesting site to follow nonetheless). they r badmouthing Geriot. Saying it's because of his rich dad. What. who is his dad is that even true. They retweeted and quoted it.

Also, if it is true, can Richmond get a little for our NIL please Mr. Geriot.

 
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here is original tweet Coaching Changes is highlighting. Now the guy saying just someone in his family lol. Let's get to the bottom of this!

 
Read the responses to the quoted tweet...the claim that is dad is loaded completely falls apart. Er, it's "actually an aunt or something".

There's very little about his dad out there (political donations of a few hundred dollars here and there), though his mom runs a small company that puts on tradeshow exhibits and other events. These don't appear to be billionaires lol.

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Read the responses to the quoted tweet...the claim that is dad is loaded completely falls apart. Er, it's "actually an aunt or something".

There's very little about his dad out there (political donations of a few hundred dollars here and there), though his mom runs a small company that puts on tradeshow exhibits and other events. These don't appear to be billionaires lol.

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Learn about CDL’s history, values, and the people behind our successful events. With decades of experience, our team is ready to exceed your expectations.
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Yeah I mentioned above. Also I don't think that's his mom. Maybe his aunt? Mom named in article below if that's accurate. Yeah I'm embarrassed I googled. Tho I didn't look up political donations good lord haha!

But I looked up bc I don't think it's cool they are attacking Geriot based off parents. Dan Geriot has own resume. Not cool at all. If so let's credit Paul Queally dad with everything.

www.delcotimes.com

Springfield native Geriot’s leadership helped spark Richmond’s rise

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. — Each time Dan Geriot returns to Springfield, Baltimore Pike looks a little different. The reverse is true of Boardwalk Hall. Richmond’s senior center feels as comf…
www.delcotimes.com www.delcotimes.com
 
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Yeah I mentioned above. Also I don't think that's his mom. Maybe his aunt? Mom named in article below if that's accurate. Yeah I'm embarrassed I googled. Tho I didn't look up political donations good lord haha!

But I looked up bc I don't think it's cool they are attacking Geriot based off parents. Dan Geriot has own resume. Not cool at all. If so let's credit Paul Queally dad with everything.

www.delcotimes.com

Springfield native Geriot’s leadership helped spark Richmond’s rise

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. — Each time Dan Geriot returns to Springfield, Baltimore Pike looks a little different. The reverse is true of Boardwalk Hall. Richmond’s senior center feels as comf…
www.delcotimes.com www.delcotimes.com
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Ah, my bad. That must be the rich aunt, CEO of a Fortune 1,000,000 company.
 
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SpiderTrap said:
Mooney is going nowhere, and in my opinion - he shouldn't be going anywhere after this season. College sports and coaching is all about - what have you done lately. And lately - Mooney, minus this season - has been good. Look at the last 5 years.

21 - COVID Short season - NIT Quarterfinals
22 - A10 tourney champs, win first round NCAA game.
23 - 15-18 - Mooney has medical issue.
24 - 23-10, win A10 regular season title - NIT first round
25 - 10-22.

So in 5 years - Won an NCAA game, 2 NIT appearances. 2 losing seasons, but one is asterisk with medical issue.

SO in reality - I don't even think his seat is warm at this point. Given the new landscape of college basketball, I think it is more likely for most mid-major schools to have the roller coaster up and down year to year because each year will be a new team. Gone are the years where we could say, yes, we went 10-22, but we gained experience and guys coming back will be better. Next year will be a whole new team. Remember Mooney when he first got to UR, he was able to build that first few years with KA, Gonzo, Butler, Geriot, Harper. They struggled early, but got experience. Those times are gone. You get players for 1-2 years max. Each year you will have at least 4 new players and building HS Kids is a thing of the past.

So if Mooney has another losing season next year - the seat gets warm. But if he finishes .500 or above, the administration will be happy with the "improvement".
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This is an insane take.

How many at large chances did we have in the last five years? Zero.

We’ve had two losing seasons in the last five years. Full stop. We weren’t having a winning season when he went on medical, we were 13-14 with 3 of the final six games against VCU/gmu(2).

We badly underperformed the regular season in 2021 and 2022 for the age/experience of the team.

1 tournament appearance in five years when we had to beat the odds to get the autobid isn’t confidence building.
 
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I saw that from Coaching Changes, basically if you don't hire one of their cronies, you are going to get attacked. Some of the coaches they push or have pushed in the past are just terrible. It is probably a good sign for Geriot that they are going after him. I do agree it is an interesting account Gkiller, just probably one you trust the opposite of what they tweet.
 
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Agree with you Tbone. Trap I believe just likes, and is very good putting himself in Admin and Hardt's shoes. Lots of excuses to prop up the good guy Mooney. No, I don't think Trap believes it, but is just stating the complacency we are up against.
 
spider23 said:
I saw that from Coaching Changes, basically if you don't hire one of their cronies, you are going to get attacked. Some of the coaches they push or have pushed in the past are just terrible. It is probably a good sign for Geriot that they are going after him. I do agree it is an interesting account Gkiller, just probably one you trust the opposite of what they tweet.
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They liked Mooney tho which makes them even worse. Maybe they'll delete this one like the 1 deleted about Chu. Maybe Moon Giper PT etc. haven't seen these tweets yet. Remember the Coaching Changes victory lap tweet after 2022? Something like UR alums with polos no longer in their mentions. Think I saved it, I got to find that. Could have been talking about me lol idk. But I'm a hoodie guy.
 
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Apparently someone really got to the owners of this changes account. I sure haven’t seen many fans in the RC that fit this profile and the ones that may I would have counted in the pro-Mooney camp.
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It's been a long time since I was 45 and even longer for 25.
 
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Eight Legger said:
Find me all the examples of the 20-year head coaches (or hell, even 10-year head coaches!) who have had 2 losing seasons in their past 3 seasons and are in no danger of being fired....
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Jim Phelan at the Mount had 3 losing seasons of his last 4 years there. Of course, he was there for 45 plus years so he was truly a coach for life. Nowadays that’s really not possible except for Kampe at Oakland.
 
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How many more years are left on Mooneys contract?
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Four. His extension after the 2022 tourney was through 2027, and then they extended him again after last season. Term was not announced, but JOC said according to sources it was two more years, so 2029.
 
GKiller said:
Reminder that the school won’t even disclose contract length for the highest paid highest visible employee.

Hallock topic for Weekday Lunch at Bernie’s.
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Contract lengths are probably off the table for discussion. Pre-approval on Heilman dining center dessert bar options and suggested changes to how X-lot's parking stripes are oriented.

Still need to see your PPT draft when it's ready.
 
Let's assume for a second that Hardt is not an entirely clueless maroon and that when he gave this extension, he also included a very favorable buyout clause and/or conditions that would cause the extension to fully vest only if performance standards are met, like say, winning more than eight D1 games a season.

Considering there was literally no reason to give an extension last year, I'd say this is a completely reasonable expectation. In that case, another bad season next year could be it.
 
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