Mooney evaluation
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Well...I visited the beer stand a bit...
I'm fine admitting he'll have my support all year, the year after that, so on and so forth. Again, I can't see how i can support the team and not the coach. Someone tried a straw man with another coach but haven't seen anything constructive from anyone in how to do it.
I'm fine admitting he'll have my support all year, the year after that, so on and so forth. Again, I can't see how i can support the team and not the coach. Someone tried a straw man with another coach but haven't seen anything constructive from anyone in how to do it.
I clearly see where you are coming from 05 ..... but maybe for the players sake they need a new teacher? It's a testament to the character individuals Mooney has recruited in these kids that we so far have heard no rumblings from them.
Also Buck has no one to blame but himself for not being a Spider this year. Though we all know he was the team leader or vocal one and just speculation but who knows if at any point last season Buck wasn't talking amongst a few teammates about the direction or non-direction Mooney was leading them?
So if your daughter has great classmates but a lousy teacher, would you want her to have a different teacher (or school)?
Using your analogy, I wouldn't want my daughter to flunk out to get a new teacher, no.
Again it is easy. the team can stay the coach has to go. If the school feels it is in it's best interest it has the money to buy Mooney out. The only pressure we (as fans) can put on the school is: stop going to games, stop contributing, be vocal about your position.... what else is there?
Your alternative is simply to ignore the situation and let it continue?
05, you are either an access craver, or over thinking this - too close to the players. I just don't see how these players are benefiting by having Mooney as coach. I don't think it happens in season either, but it needs to happen immediately following. New coach can then immediately evaluate what we have, meet with the players to lay out his/her (NL 
) plan, tell the players where they fit or don't fit. Likely we will have a few transfers and we can start re-building. I had some optimism in the offseason last year, and then the first few games just let the air out. We need a new voice and leadership.
) plan, tell the players where they fit or don't fit. Likely we will have a few transfers and we can start re-building. I had some optimism in the offseason last year, and then the first few games just let the air out. We need a new voice and leadership.What coach (especially the ones that have been mentioned) would leave his team at this point in the season to come here? Plus I'm not sure we would want a coach that would do that!
So we should just have an interim staff until end of season and then go after the best candidate.
So we should just have an interim staff until end of season and then go after the best candidate.
The main challenge in firing someone mid-season (I presume) is that we'd be down an assistant coach. I guess we could find some unemployed assistant to come in, but that's not ideal.
At the same time, though, this needs to end. We can't play another 25 games with this same cluelessness in place. Two terrible years in a row is a program-killer. Try someone different, if for no other reason than to freshen things up a little bit. There's a cloud over the program and it needs to be removed now, not five months from now.
At the same time, though, this needs to end. We can't play another 25 games with this same cluelessness in place. Two terrible years in a row is a program-killer. Try someone different, if for no other reason than to freshen things up a little bit. There's a cloud over the program and it needs to be removed now, not five months from now.
Yes, we would just have an interim coach. We are not trying to save the season; we need to make a statement that we intend to save the program.
Saw Bill Dooley there last night. Interviewing? Even he would be a step up.
Have seen him at some practices too! Don't know what that's all about but I'm done with UR basketball if we go that direction. Please not even interim !!!
05, usually I agree with you, but not on this topic. I get the point of being loyal. But if you want what is best for the program and the players, sometimes you have to see what is truly best even when others (AD, players) can’t.
You can support the players and the program without supporting the coach. If you believe that Mooney is doing a terrible job. If you think he is not taking accountability for his situation. If you believe that we need a change, but you still support Mooney then you are actually doing a disservice to those players and the program.
If one of my kids was on a team with a underperforming coach who seemingly quit on his team/program, I would look for a change. I wouldn’t let my kid quit in season, instead I would do what I could to help him/her and eventually I would look for a new team/program for the following season.
You know me well enough to know that I generally stay out of the way and trust those in charge will work things out. But if my kid was truly in a bad situation with a sub-par teacher and was significantly struggling in school, it would be my responsibility as their father to make sure I share my concerns and work with the school and teachers in order to find the best solution.
In this case, I believe we need a change. I think Chris has quit on his fans and possibly his players and that is unacceptable. You may disagree and that is your prerogative. But this is why I can’t support him any longer.
You can support the players and the program without supporting the coach. If you believe that Mooney is doing a terrible job. If you think he is not taking accountability for his situation. If you believe that we need a change, but you still support Mooney then you are actually doing a disservice to those players and the program.
If one of my kids was on a team with a underperforming coach who seemingly quit on his team/program, I would look for a change. I wouldn’t let my kid quit in season, instead I would do what I could to help him/her and eventually I would look for a new team/program for the following season.
You know me well enough to know that I generally stay out of the way and trust those in charge will work things out. But if my kid was truly in a bad situation with a sub-par teacher and was significantly struggling in school, it would be my responsibility as their father to make sure I share my concerns and work with the school and teachers in order to find the best solution.
In this case, I believe we need a change. I think Chris has quit on his fans and possibly his players and that is unacceptable. You may disagree and that is your prerogative. But this is why I can’t support him any longer.
So there's no chance you get someone to come here mid-season, at least not someone employed elsewhere or that you'd want long-term.
You're basically making a statement to your fans. It would likely mean absolutely nothing in terms of turning things around for this season, except perhaps the assistants embrace some change and shake things up to audition for coaching jobs next season.
I'm generally not a fan of mid-season firings but I think Hardt might consider if he's got a mutiny on his hands, both with players and fans if he waits until the end of the year.
He's about to have a fan mutiny on his hands, that's for sure. And judging from some former players' social media activity, he may soon have a player mutiny to deal with, too.
If we are going to do this as fans, than we need to organize, and do it right. Social media pressure, message board chatter is great but we also need to develop a consistent, coherent message and package it nicely enough so that it can be heard by Hardt and school administrators.
The people on this board are the die hard fans and I think there is now a broad consensus among us that changes need to occur pretty swiftly. So, lets organize someway and move forward.
Sometimes the people need to lead when the leaders can't.
With all due respect, the nine Spiders voting in support of Mooney need to be locked in a room with the Longwood and Hampton games looping until they accept reality.
That said, CM is a good man and I'm sure no one wants to win more than he. When he claims the record for all time wins, I've seem suggestions that he be booed. Come on. We are better than that I hope. I understand the frustration, I share it, have for a few years now, but there is no good reason to publicly humiliate him and his family. He tried. Sadly, he largely failed.
The AD is neither blind nor deaf. He can see the product on the floor and he can hear the acute displeasure among the faithful. CM is a dead man walking. Let him exit gracefully.
That said, CM is a good man and I'm sure no one wants to win more than he. When he claims the record for all time wins, I've seem suggestions that he be booed. Come on. We are better than that I hope. I understand the frustration, I share it, have for a few years now, but there is no good reason to publicly humiliate him and his family. He tried. Sadly, he largely failed.
The AD is neither blind nor deaf. He can see the product on the floor and he can hear the acute displeasure among the faithful. CM is a dead man walking. Let him exit gracefully.
Shouldn't he resign.... wouldn't that be the right thing to do?..... vs put his family through this? AND no I have no confidence the AD will do anything about Mooney now or at the end of the season.
I don't disagree but...
1. No guarentee he is exiting at this point in time, so pressure must be kept up.
2. Mooney has shown an almost complete disregard for the fan base. He does not engage them, he couldn't answer a simple question last night about what he would say to them. This isn't the first time he has done this either. He never takes accountability and doesn't provide us with any viable new path forward.
3. Mooney has been sheltered from the fans and by the media for far too long. Somehow he hasn't had to answer these questions because apparently everyone is either too nice to ask him and just lets him get away with his non-answers.
So, my question back is why should fans applaud someone who seemingly at every opportunity ignores the fans, the vast majority of ardent season ticket holders, the long time supporters of the program. I'm asking sincerely because I really don't think he respects us at all, I think he shows that all of the time that he doesn't respect us.
Down an assistant coach?? We already have more suits on the bench than players!
https://www.richmond.com/sports/plu...al&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
Good job by John to remind us. He told us what everyone except 1 person already knew, just 2 weeks ago.
Spiders balance the need to keep treasured triumvirate on court while not burning out their legs
Jason DeMayo, Richmond’s strength coach, stretched Jason Gilyard before the Spiders played Longwood last Friday night at the Robins Center.
UR’s Jacob Gilyard averaged 37 minutes,11.4 points, 4.1 assists and 2.8 steals as a freshman last season.
https://www.richmond.com/content/tncms/live/#3
Richmond’s Jacob Gilyard wants to play the full 40 minutes, but Spiders coaches take a more cautious approach with his time on the floor.
Jacob Gilyard averaged 37 minutes last season as a University of Richmond freshman, and there’s no reason to believe his participation will decline this year. That sounds good to Gilyard.
“Hopefully, I don’t have to come out, you know? I want to play all 40,” he said.
Gilyard was in some foul trouble and played 35 minutes in Friday’s season-opening 63-58 loss to Longwood.
Richmond’s coaching staff has to look differently at the situation than the 5-foot-9 Gilyard, 6-10 sophomore Grant Golden and 6-4 junior Nick Sherod, the three Spiders projected to be team leaders in minutes and most other categories.
With seven newcomers among 12 scholarship players, returning starters Gilyard, Golden and Sherod form UR’s treasured triumvirate. Coach Chris Mooney headed into this season trying to keep his three best players on the court as much as possible without wearing out their legs. That started with summer workouts and carried through preseason practice.
Gilyard, Golden and Sherod are regularly given practice breaks to preserve tread on their tires. That also helps Richmond’s inexperienced players recognize what needs to be done when one or more of the three are out, Mooney said.
“We don’t want to have too many times where more than one of those guys is on the bench,” Mooney said. “But those situations happen with foul trouble, and with guys being tired, and the pace of a particular game.
“So we’re talking about that and working on making sure we get different guys rest at critical times.”
UR plays its second game of the season at 11 a.m. Wednesday against visiting St. Francis Brooklyn (1-1), an Education Day special that’s also the opening round of the Fort Myers Tip-Off. UR faces visiting IUPUI on Friday night as part of the tournament.
Regardless of results, the Spiders (0-1) advance to Monday semifinals in Fort Myers, Fla., and play Loyola-Chicago. Boston College and Wyoming meet in the other semifinal.
Richmond led Longwood 47-41 with 11:08 left when Gilyard left with his third foul. When he returned three minutes later, the score was 49-all. Golden, a 265-pounder, averaged 31 minutes last season and played 30 against Longwood. Sherod averaged 32 minutes last season and played 35 against Longwood.
Gilyard, who averaged 11.4 points, 4.1 assists and 2.8 steals as a freshman, said his sophomore plan involves more stretching before and after practices and games to prevent tight leg muscles that could force him to miss time.
Golden, UR’s only experienced big man, was a preseason all-A-10 selection. He said his offseason included conditioning designed to increase his strength, aerobic capacity and general fitness. Sherod did the same.
Gilyard, Golden and Sherod say they believe their physical preparation allows them to stay strong. But Mooney’s substitution patterns will also play a part.
“We need to make sure when they get rest, it’s valuable rest, and we’ll work on that,” the coach said.
Good job by John to remind us. He told us what everyone except 1 person already knew, just 2 weeks ago.
Spiders balance the need to keep treasured triumvirate on court while not burning out their legs
- By JOHN O’CONNOR Richmond Times-Dispatch
- Nov 13, 2018
Jason DeMayo, Richmond’s strength coach, stretched Jason Gilyard before the Spiders played Longwood last Friday night at the Robins Center.
- JOHN O’CONNOR/TIMES-DISPATCH
UR’s Jacob Gilyard averaged 37 minutes,11.4 points, 4.1 assists and 2.8 steals as a freshman last season.
- ALEXA WELCH EDLUND/TIMES-DISPATCH
https://www.richmond.com/content/tncms/live/#3
Richmond’s Jacob Gilyard wants to play the full 40 minutes, but Spiders coaches take a more cautious approach with his time on the floor.
- ALEXA WELCH EDLUND/times-dispatch
Jacob Gilyard averaged 37 minutes last season as a University of Richmond freshman, and there’s no reason to believe his participation will decline this year. That sounds good to Gilyard.
“Hopefully, I don’t have to come out, you know? I want to play all 40,” he said.
Gilyard was in some foul trouble and played 35 minutes in Friday’s season-opening 63-58 loss to Longwood.
Richmond’s coaching staff has to look differently at the situation than the 5-foot-9 Gilyard, 6-10 sophomore Grant Golden and 6-4 junior Nick Sherod, the three Spiders projected to be team leaders in minutes and most other categories.
With seven newcomers among 12 scholarship players, returning starters Gilyard, Golden and Sherod form UR’s treasured triumvirate. Coach Chris Mooney headed into this season trying to keep his three best players on the court as much as possible without wearing out their legs. That started with summer workouts and carried through preseason practice.
Gilyard, Golden and Sherod are regularly given practice breaks to preserve tread on their tires. That also helps Richmond’s inexperienced players recognize what needs to be done when one or more of the three are out, Mooney said.
“We don’t want to have too many times where more than one of those guys is on the bench,” Mooney said. “But those situations happen with foul trouble, and with guys being tired, and the pace of a particular game.
“So we’re talking about that and working on making sure we get different guys rest at critical times.”
UR plays its second game of the season at 11 a.m. Wednesday against visiting St. Francis Brooklyn (1-1), an Education Day special that’s also the opening round of the Fort Myers Tip-Off. UR faces visiting IUPUI on Friday night as part of the tournament.
Regardless of results, the Spiders (0-1) advance to Monday semifinals in Fort Myers, Fla., and play Loyola-Chicago. Boston College and Wyoming meet in the other semifinal.
Richmond led Longwood 47-41 with 11:08 left when Gilyard left with his third foul. When he returned three minutes later, the score was 49-all. Golden, a 265-pounder, averaged 31 minutes last season and played 30 against Longwood. Sherod averaged 32 minutes last season and played 35 against Longwood.
Gilyard, who averaged 11.4 points, 4.1 assists and 2.8 steals as a freshman, said his sophomore plan involves more stretching before and after practices and games to prevent tight leg muscles that could force him to miss time.
Golden, UR’s only experienced big man, was a preseason all-A-10 selection. He said his offseason included conditioning designed to increase his strength, aerobic capacity and general fitness. Sherod did the same.
Gilyard, Golden and Sherod say they believe their physical preparation allows them to stay strong. But Mooney’s substitution patterns will also play a part.
“We need to make sure when they get rest, it’s valuable rest, and we’ll work on that,” the coach said.
i think their physical preparation was wrong again year after year same . Please keep Muscle Coach away from Sherod on rehab
Don't worry, I have it on good authority that the Sherod's have a restraining order. And a lawsuit for negligence.
I’m confused by this line of thinking. If anything, I’ve always thought our players looked weak compared to other teams. If we need to get rid of our strength and conditioning coach, it’s because we’re not strong enough and aren’t conditioned enough!
If muscles meant you weren’t able to shoot, every NBA player not named Kevin Durant wouldn’t be able to shoot. Also, the muscles are undoubtedly a huge advantage on defense, rebounding, ability to back someone down to the basket, get to the rim, maybe a dunk or 2?
Maybe I’m missing something, but I’d like our players to not look like high school players compared to other schools’ college players.
I'd say it building strength without losing you find motor skills like shooting. We don't seem to be able to get that balance. I think it partly explains how poorly we shoot free throws year after year, player after player.
And conditioning is not building muscle mass, it's endurance. In fact I'd bet that building muscle mass is a impediment to building endurance.
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