Mooney and winning

[bongturk]

Is Monney more interested in winning any legal way possible or winning the Mooney way? I only ask because it seems logical that if you have a team that doesn't shoot very well most of the time it would be a good idea to try to get as many shots per game as possible. If that is true why does he not only NOT encourage offensive rebounding, he seems to discourage it. It is true that he has had the luxury of several teams that were decent outside shooters. However, that is not the case this year. Last night against a much smaller Davidson team not once did we try to put more bigger guys closer to the basket than they did. We didn't double team their only big scorer nor did we try to get some putbacks on our missed shots. Of course some will say, yeah but we shot 47 percent. To which I reply yeah but we lost the game. Maybe, just maybe two or three offensive rebounds might have resulted in layups or foul shots. At what point does it become clear that what ever way he is trying to win this year just isn't working with this particular team. Would these same players have a better record if they had been encouraged to follow their own shot as well as some of their teammates shots?
VCU is not a great shooting team but they are a tremendous offensive rebounding team. Does offensive rebounding only work for them? There are ten more games to go. Wonder what would happen if trying to win another way would be worth a try instead of only winning the Mooney way?

 

[MrTbone]

Is Monney more interested in winning any legal way possible or winning the Mooney way? I only ask because it seems logical that if you have a team that doesn't shoot very well most of the time it would be a good idea to try to get as many shots per game as possible. If that is true why does he not only NOT encourage offensive rebounding, he seems to discourage it. It is true that he has had the luxury of several teams that were decent outside shooters. However, that is not the case this year. Last night against a much smaller Davidson team not once did we try to put more bigger guys closer to the basket than they did. We didn't double team their only big scorer nor did we try to get some putbacks on our missed shots. Of course some will say, yeah but we shot 47 percent. To which I reply yeah but we lost the game. Maybe, just maybe two or three offensive rebounds might have resulted in layups or foul shots. At what point does it become clear that what ever way he is trying to win this year just isn't working with this particular team. Would these same players have a better record if they had been encouraged to follow their own shot as well as some of their teammates shots?
VCU is not a great shooting team but they are a tremendous offensive rebounding team. Does offensive rebounding only work for them? There are ten more games to go. Wonder what would happen if trying to win another way would be worth a try instead of only winning the Mooney way?

This comment is not designed to provide any kind of excuse for what the coach is obliged to do, but, I suspect it’s hard to simply change style/philosophy on the fly. I suspect these guys are drilled to play a certain way and consistently unlearn that and do something else isn’t a light switch.

But i am inexpert when it comes to the intricacies of basketball. Going after offensive rebounds feels mostly instinctual to me and less about strategy/gameplanning.

 

[whampas]

This comment is not designed to provide any kind of excuse for what the coach is obliged to do, but, I suspect it’s hard to simply change style/philosophy on the fly. I suspect these guys are drilled to play a certain way and consistently unlearn that and do something else isn’t a light switch.

But i am inexpert when it comes to the intricacies of basketball. Going after offensive rebounds feels mostly instinctual to me and less about strategy/gameplanning.

Mooney is probably one of a few coaches that employees this strategy. Maybe his philosophy causes the disjointed offense because these guys have to unlearn something they've been taught since peewee basketball.

 

[Eight Legger]

Of course it would make sense to try something different, but Mooney doesn't operate that way. He's a one-trick pony who will ride that trick until the bitter end, which in his case doesn't actually exist.

 

[FijiSpider12]

Why do you Dusan (our best player by far) with the game on the line? I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

 

[SpiderGuy]

Of course it would make sense to try something different, but Mooney doesn't operate that way. He's a one-trick pony who will ride that trick until the bitter end, which in his case doesn't actually exist.

What you saw 20 years ago with CM is what you’ll see the next 20 years if he’s still here regardless of who our players are, their skill, how much the game changes, and how much most coaches know how to counter Mooney’s System.

 

[Spiders4ever]

Oil and water

 

[VegasSpider]

Of course it would make sense to try something different, but Mooney doesn't operate that way. He's a one-trick pony who will ride that trick until the bitter end, which in his case doesn't actually exist.

This likely addresses all of the comments in this thread, but the main problem is that ... its perfectly fine to have an overall philosophy regarding how you want to approach things. That philosophy should lead to having parameters for an overall system that you want to run.... and then within that system you should have the ability to adapt.

The system has to flexible enough such that someone can't study your system and beat you simply by understanding your system. This is fairly basic game theory and would apply to pretty much every discipline. Every top program has a system that they want to run. The system itself isn't the problem IMO.

Just a couple of examples..... There's nothing in our system that prevented us from playing AP or Roche (mainly AP) at any point during the last ten minutes of the game last night. There's nothing in our system that forced us to not be able to run two guys at Bailey every time he touched the ball to force the ball out of his hands and make someone else beat us. There's nothing in our system that mandated that we subbed out Neskovic at the end of the Rhode Island game.

 

[Wood Hall]

Is Monney more interested in winning any legal way possible or winning the Mooney way? I only ask because it seems logical that if you have a team that doesn't shoot very well most of the time it would be a good idea to try to get as many shots per game as possible. If that is true why does he not only NOT encourage offensive rebounding, he seems to discourage it. It is true that he has had the luxury of several teams that were decent outside shooters. However, that is not the case this year. Last night against a much smaller Davidson team not once did we try to put more bigger guys closer to the basket than they did. We didn't double team their only big scorer nor did we try to get some putbacks on our missed shots. Of course some will say, yeah but we shot 47 percent. To which I reply yeah but we lost the game. Maybe, just maybe two or three offensive rebounds might have resulted in layups or foul shots. At what point does it become clear that what ever way he is trying to win this year just isn't working with this particular team. Would these same players have a better record if they had been encouraged to follow their own shot as well as some of their teammates shots?
VCU is not a great shooting team but they are a tremendous offensive rebounding team. Does offensive rebounding only work for them? There are ten more games to go. Wonder what would happen if trying to win another way would be worth a try instead of only winning the Mooney way?

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[8legs1dream]

Oil and water

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