Masks required at the RC this year
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32, I live one town in from shoreline. Towns I most frequently shop in are Old Saybrook, Westbrook, Madison, Clinton, Guilford, so really not much difference in that regard I would think. It could just be the stores - but for instance in one town the Walmart will stop and give you a mask if you dont have one, and Wmart in other town is a 5% mask wear rate. I just find it interesting the lack of consistency.
Wearing masks seems like a common sense thing to me. Doctors have been wearing them for decades when performing surgeries to prevent infection of the patient. Are you telling me this is done just for theatre all this time?
Also - we have been told since we were little kids - if you cough or sneeze, cover your mouth (usually with elbow). So why wouldn't a mask help with that as well? Is it 100% effective. Of course not - nothing is 100%. But here is a crazy idea - where the mask to help cut down on droplets and spread during normal conversation or breathing. And if you happen to cough and sneeze - still cover your mouth and this should really cut down on droplets spreading, right?
My GP doc explained it like this to me. Everyone has a strainer at home they use for spaghetti or pasta. Take a cup of rice and dump into the strainer - does some of the rice fall through the holes. You bet it does (not 100%). But does some stay in the bowl - yes it does. So imagine the bowl is the mask, it will stop and catch some of the rice. And then your elbow will be outside the bowl to hopefully catch the rest. so instead of a full cup falling into the sink or half a cup if you just use your elbow - now maybe only 1/10th of the cup makes it after both measures employed. So to say it is ineffective makes no sense to me at all.
And to those that say they can't wear a mask or can't wear it for long periods. Maybe. All I know is that doctors and nurses in hospitals these days wear them 24 hours a day without issue. And the only thing they keep asking the public to do is - wear a mask AND get vaccinated.
So I applaud the university for this measure, its common sense, and its a very small ask to allow people into the arena for games.
Also - we have been told since we were little kids - if you cough or sneeze, cover your mouth (usually with elbow). So why wouldn't a mask help with that as well? Is it 100% effective. Of course not - nothing is 100%. But here is a crazy idea - where the mask to help cut down on droplets and spread during normal conversation or breathing. And if you happen to cough and sneeze - still cover your mouth and this should really cut down on droplets spreading, right?
My GP doc explained it like this to me. Everyone has a strainer at home they use for spaghetti or pasta. Take a cup of rice and dump into the strainer - does some of the rice fall through the holes. You bet it does (not 100%). But does some stay in the bowl - yes it does. So imagine the bowl is the mask, it will stop and catch some of the rice. And then your elbow will be outside the bowl to hopefully catch the rest. so instead of a full cup falling into the sink or half a cup if you just use your elbow - now maybe only 1/10th of the cup makes it after both measures employed. So to say it is ineffective makes no sense to me at all.
And to those that say they can't wear a mask or can't wear it for long periods. Maybe. All I know is that doctors and nurses in hospitals these days wear them 24 hours a day without issue. And the only thing they keep asking the public to do is - wear a mask AND get vaccinated.
So I applaud the university for this measure, its common sense, and its a very small ask to allow people into the arena for games.
UR mask with Spider Logo on them. Everyone in crowd wearing them - call it MASK OUT night. And have a matching shirt to go with it - if we could sell out the Robins Center - this would be a good look.
Plus - give people a good, high quality reusable mask - they will be wearing around town, to work, grocery store, etc. Free marketing at that point.
What a great promotional idea. The last thing I need is another red shirt that shrinks in the wash so much that I can't wear it more than once.
Once the red shirt shrinks - it then becomes a mask.
I got vaccinated even though the Moderna drug still hasn't been FDA approved beyond emergency use, which does worry me a bit. I wear a mask despite being sick of it. but I'm having a hard time believing mask are doing much at this point. we have 80,000 new cases in America per day. that's insane to me almost 2 years into this thing. if it were just unvaccinate people or non-mask wearers that would be one thing. their body, their choice. but while I never see stats on it, I doubt it's just far-right anti vax nut jobs catching this thing.
I get wanting to protect kids who can't get vaccinated, but I don't think kids are getting hospitalized at all. plus, at some point isn't it the resposibility of high risk people to reduce their own risk? if your kid can't get vaccinated then maybe don't take him to an arena full of screaming people even if everyone's masked?
I get wanting to protect kids who can't get vaccinated, but I don't think kids are getting hospitalized at all. plus, at some point isn't it the resposibility of high risk people to reduce their own risk? if your kid can't get vaccinated then maybe don't take him to an arena full of screaming people even if everyone's masked?
Great point Trap. Spider fans at the RC have the potential to spread this virus to our players and even if they are vaxxed (which hopefully they all are), could still mean they have to miss games if they test positive. So, one would hope that Spider fans both care enough about both the health of our players AND our season to take common sense measures to ensure we don't have a repeat of last year, of players missing games because they test positive.
Since you asked for a study on mask wearing reducing the spread of Covid, there are lots out there, here is one.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
And yes, kids get hospitalized with Covid.
Bottom line - is wearing a mask for the foreseeable future all that bad? I don't like wearing just as much as the next person, but I wear it all the time outside and even in places where the sign might not say if your fully vaccinated - you don't have to, because as soon as I walk in - I see all the workers wearing a mask. So if they are wearing a mask, the least I can do to help them - even if just a little bit - is wear one two.
And again this has less to do with your own interest - I hate wearing a mask, its uncomfortable, I don't think it does any good - and more with - helping others. The reason we have so many cases still to this day - is because of the very argument we are having. Some people refuse to wear it, others wear it, etc. And when you only have half the people wearing a mask - it is far less effective than if you have everyone of 90% or more wearing it.
And I agree - if your scared your unvaccinated kid might catch COVID, don't bring them to the game. But that might limit parents coming to the game as well as they will need to find babysitters to attend a game. At that point I would just ask UR to say - you must show proof of vaccination to attend games. Cause if the unvaccinated 10 year old can't attend, why can the unvaccinated 45 year old attend - who statistically speaking is at far greater risk of major complications. And while I would not like that type of policy - I would accept it.
And again this has less to do with your own interest - I hate wearing a mask, its uncomfortable, I don't think it does any good - and more with - helping others. The reason we have so many cases still to this day - is because of the very argument we are having. Some people refuse to wear it, others wear it, etc. And when you only have half the people wearing a mask - it is far less effective than if you have everyone of 90% or more wearing it.
And I agree - if your scared your unvaccinated kid might catch COVID, don't bring them to the game. But that might limit parents coming to the game as well as they will need to find babysitters to attend a game. At that point I would just ask UR to say - you must show proof of vaccination to attend games. Cause if the unvaccinated 10 year old can't attend, why can the unvaccinated 45 year old attend - who statistically speaking is at far greater risk of major complications. And while I would not like that type of policy - I would accept it.
Yes, so by that logic 97 if you really care about our players and season please don't eat or drink anything @ the Robins Center. Keep that mask on. It's common sense unless the virus magically doesn't spread while eating and drinking. Plus, it is proven that the virus particles go right through the masks most everyone wears. Is the mask policy really common sense?
Ill wear it now, but when everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated, I'm not going to wear a mask because ignorant people don't want the shot.
many arenas aren't allowing food and drink for that reason. the accepted policy that we should wear a mask walking into a restaurant but then can safely take it off for an hour sitting down is pretty silly. either you need a mask or you don't.
thanks, but I'm still looking for something saying mask wearers aren't getting Covid. we're getting 80,000 new cases a day just in the US. maybe it is mostly non-mask wearers. I don't know.
I looked and you're right ... way too many kids are getting hospitalized. parents need to keep kids away from risky situations. sending unvaccinated kids to school has to be nerve racking.
Somewhat related, more than 5.3 million people in Virginia have been vaccinated and about 0.9% of them have subsequently tested positive for COVID.
www.vdh.virginia.gov
COVID-19 Cases by Vaccination Status - Coronavirus
COVID-19 Cases & Testing Dashboards COVID-19 Vaccine Dashboards On May 19, 2022, the Cases by Vaccination Status dashboard was retired. You can view cases and deaths by vaccination status on […]
www.vdh.virginia.gov
Well, looks like more help is on the way:
finance.yahoo.com
Pfizer Stock Is Soaring Because Its Covid Antiviral Appears to Work Really, Really Well
Pfizer said its Covid-19 pill cut the risk of hospitalization or death by 89% in a trial of high-risk non-hospitalized adults, besting Merck's highly-touted oral antiviral, molnupiravir.
You don't need any studies or research for common sense.
Imagine sitting in the Robins Center for a basketball game. Now imagine the person sitting next to you is coughing and sneezing from time to time. Sometimes covering their mouth, other times they are not. Maybe its just a cold, the beginning of the flu, or COVID. Not to mention - lets assume they are a good fan that likes to get up and yell and scream from time to time. Whether at the refs or for the Spiders.
I agree - no mask will stop ALL particles travelling through them. But they certainly stop some of them. So are you telling me you rather sit next to a coughing and sneezing fan without a mask, because they pose the same risk as someone wearing a mask?
Put a mask on your face - any mask. Then make yourself sneeze and put a piece of paper in front of your face. Now do the same with no mask and just sneeze into the paper - are you telling me that these papers will look identical after you sneeze? If that is the case - why do doctors wear the masks in surgeries? If it doesn't stop ALL 100% of particles, whats the point right? And then where does it end - why wear a seat belt? People still die in car crashes that are wearing them - so they are clearly not 100% effective. And to be honest - your chances of being in a car crash that would kill you is less than 1% - so why all the precautions to wear a seat belt, follow speed limits, obey traffic signs. My car my choice - right? Same with my body my choice? Probably similar odds to - less than 1% chance you get hospitalized or die from COVID - yet all we are asking is wear a mask.
Imagine sitting in the Robins Center for a basketball game. Now imagine the person sitting next to you is coughing and sneezing from time to time. Sometimes covering their mouth, other times they are not. Maybe its just a cold, the beginning of the flu, or COVID. Not to mention - lets assume they are a good fan that likes to get up and yell and scream from time to time. Whether at the refs or for the Spiders.
I agree - no mask will stop ALL particles travelling through them. But they certainly stop some of them. So are you telling me you rather sit next to a coughing and sneezing fan without a mask, because they pose the same risk as someone wearing a mask?
Put a mask on your face - any mask. Then make yourself sneeze and put a piece of paper in front of your face. Now do the same with no mask and just sneeze into the paper - are you telling me that these papers will look identical after you sneeze? If that is the case - why do doctors wear the masks in surgeries? If it doesn't stop ALL 100% of particles, whats the point right? And then where does it end - why wear a seat belt? People still die in car crashes that are wearing them - so they are clearly not 100% effective. And to be honest - your chances of being in a car crash that would kill you is less than 1% - so why all the precautions to wear a seat belt, follow speed limits, obey traffic signs. My car my choice - right? Same with my body my choice? Probably similar odds to - less than 1% chance you get hospitalized or die from COVID - yet all we are asking is wear a mask.
The virus goes through the mask Trap! It is smaller than the holes in the common mask. That's a fact. And what about the sick person beside you that buys a coke and nachos? Does the virus not spread when money is spent @ the concession stand?
Just look at who is getting sick from Covid now. It's the unvaxxed crowd, who by and large are the same people who think wearing a mask is akin to being in some concentration camp.
I have a 10 year old, who thankfully is getting vaxxed next week. School is not that nerve wracking because they are all masked. Again, the chance of a child getting seriously ill from Covid are really small, but I think having to wear a mask is a small (and temporary) inconvenience. With kids now getting access to the vax and the new anti viral Covid drugs coming to market, we are approaching a point in the not too distant future where Covid the pandemic will be behind us and it will become an endemic virus that we just have to deal, like we do the flu. I suspect the masking will largely be behind us by Spring, if not sooner.
Until then, I'll wear a mask when asked to because I believe in the public health and medical experts who actually know and study this stuff. It's just not that hard. It also is not that hard to respect and care for my neighbor and fellow Spider either by doing this.
Except you keep ignoring the fact that the common mask is not an effective way to stop the virus. And the fact that you can take the mask off after buying concessions therefore allowing the virus to bypass the precious mask.
Anyway, it's all good. Mask from now to eternity if that's what you want to do. Back to talking Spider Basketball...
Anyway, it's all good. Mask from now to eternity if that's what you want to do. Back to talking Spider Basketball...
I agree the virus can get through the mask - but to believe it doesn't STOP ANY of the virus is crazy. Your telling me is you sneeze and cough and release 1000 particles of COVID - all 1000 get through the mask. I don't know what percentage the masks stop - but common sense tells me it stops some of them. And some of them is better than none of them. Again - this was the point I made earlier. Our society is now to the point where if its not 100% - its no good. The vaccine is not 100% effective - not taking it. Masks don't work 100% of the time - not wearing it.
And for the food - I agree. I would have restricted food to eating in the concourse. Not in your seat next to someone who might not want your mask off.
I agree. we all want to eat and drink at our seats and it's an inconvenience, but if we're mandating masks because they're needed then I don't know how we can rationalize alllowing concessions.
$$$, that's how. UR makes a mint off concessions and a lot of people wouldn't come if you said no concessions this year. There is a good infographic about the layers of protection with Covid and how none is 100% effective but the more layers you add on the more protected you will be. Are masks 100% effective, not even close, but they are a layer, just as the vaccine is a layer, just as staying home if you sick is layer, distancing is a layer.
Masking isn't going to go on forever, in fact, I think with the widespread vaccine use, the development of medications to treat Covid early on, that widespread mask wearing will be out of here by next Spring at the latest. No one likes wearing them.
I'll be so glad when this is all over, I think we all yearn for the day to come as quickly as possible.
Actually, people who are hideously ugly love wearing masks. But, on the flip side, I will say that my sister's friend's cousin's daughter's uncle wore a mask every day for six months and then his tongue fell out. So, no masks for me!
I will be very happy when the media stops using masks and vaccines to divide us. This past Tuesday showed that we are tired of it. Large popcorn and coke for me this Tuesday night.
I actually thought masks especially (and eventually vaccines once they were developed) was the ultimate chance to bring everyone together. Thinking people would be willing to come together for the greater good of humanity and band together to not be selfish, but help the person next to you. Instead - everyone became an expert on the topic (I mean - we got people now who believe the earth is flat - a scientific fact that has largely been undisputed for 100s of years is now under attack because anyone can write anything on the internet and become and "expert"). But instead - it drove us apart, and that says a lot about our communities and culture as Americans.
Not qualified to opine on whether masks are effective or not. Know Covid has killed 3 quarters of million of our citizens (inhabitants). Can't see the inconvenience of wearing a mask (which I hate) outweighing the possibility, even if remote, of spreading the virus.
Mask up and root the Spiders on to victory.
Mask up and root the Spiders on to victory.
Hate masks, think it is BS at this point, particularly for those that are vaccinated. But if that is what it takes, then whatever for this season. But it could be much worse, from a friend that went to Delaware game yesterday:
I will admit I was annoyed that Delaware required all fans to show proof of vaccination and then take an intrusive health assessment and provide significant personal information just to sit in an outdoor stadium. If you are going to be a university, maybe read up on the science of outdoor spread of COVID.
I will admit I was annoyed that Delaware required all fans to show proof of vaccination and then take an intrusive health assessment and provide significant personal information just to sit in an outdoor stadium. If you are going to be a university, maybe read up on the science of outdoor spread of COVID.
