Loyola Game Thread
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We don’t have a “fantastic” “big 3.” We have two players, Gilyard and Golden, who are very good. I might accept that Gilyard is fantastic. Every other player is inconsistent, unathletic, or not talented enough to be a starter (and in some cases a contributor) on most D1 teams.
This poor recruiting doesn’t reduce Mooney from a good coach to an average coach, it reduces him from an average coach to a below average one. Since his Sweet Sixteen run, Mooney has failed to recruit a talented team with depth. I’m so tired of it. I record the games and watch them, but they are hard to enjoy anymore when you know what the result will be.
I love reading these in game threads post game. It’s like riding an emotional tidal wave.
We have depth problems, we knew this preseason. Our defense looked okay early and then got broken down and we didn’t adjust. This is a long dying habit. They’re a better team, most reasonable folks expected we’d lose this game.
I don’t think anything unusual transpired tonight.
We have depth problems, we knew this preseason. Our defense looked okay early and then got broken down and we didn’t adjust. This is a long dying habit. They’re a better team, most reasonable folks expected we’d lose this game.
I don’t think anything unusual transpired tonight.
Exactly. Under mooney this program has become a joke.
Exactly! Thats why moondog kept all of the starters in near the end. “Kept it competitive.” My ass.
We are fans. We had hopes but the dirt always sinks to the bottom eventually and with CM at the helm it is irreversible and frustrating. Loyola felt us out the first half thats why we looked good, then like a good boxer taking on a bum, they easily found our cracks and destroyed us. CM teams are SO predictable its sickening.
Don’t get me wrong, as a fan I was bummed by what happened. I just wasn’t surprised.
Mooney will only beat very bad teams who are coached by similarly bad coaches. Even a bad twam with a decent coach (Longwood) will beat a CM coached team on most days. He is the most predictable coach in the land and with even the smallest amount of prep work, a decent coach will break us down easily.
Lets figure out where the Tavern of Fort Myers is and get the joint bugged tomorrow. Your answer will probably be revealed there over Bud Light and Perrier.
After a couple beers, they pop open the ipad and take a look at Spidernation and have a few chuckles. Chris, let's really eff em over, we will get 5 wins this year and I'll extend you for 5 years. Board will be ballistic Chris.
The Chicago Catholics drove the lane and baseline quite easily in the 2nd half.Williamson shot 6/7 from 2s and Townes 5/5 from 2s for the night.They would be a top A10 team.Played like a Hurley coached URI team.To be honest,we got gassed in the 2nd half.Cayo’s foul trouble didn’t help matters.They were playing like street kids and we couldn’t keep up.Their spurts went unanswered and they had some 2nd level depth that could play.At this stage,Wyoming is more our cup of tea and BC ain’t much without Bowman’s 38 tonite either.Nice quaint venue and pretty good UR crowd.
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...and only lost by three?!?! The headline I saw had a link to click for "More about this game." No, I think I've heard quite enough already, thanks. Gonna make me remember our game against Western Michigan Mooney's first or second year that was just about as hideous.
Looks like our boy Walton "F'ed around and got a triple double" that included turnovers again.
Anyone know where the refs were from last night? (no they did not cost us the game) I thought they called a poor game last night, they called 39 fouls in our game. But the next crew called 52 in the second game. BTW Wyoming has 2 VA players on their roster, they are 6'2" to 6'7" for those that played last night. 2 played all 40 minutes.
Batsell,Scyphers,Nixon have been around and have a good rap.Nixon didn’t call much as referee but Scyphers got a little whistle happy with some ticky tack fouls against us.He called both of Cayo’s 2 early fouls within the 1st minute of play which seemed phantom at best.That put us in a position to be unable to extend any lead in the 1st half and put additional pressure on Golden.Grant was dripping wet at halftime.
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open hip drop step open hip drop step open hip drop step
our mjuscle coach proves not to know anything about this
i said before season if NS still slow as last year muscle coach
does poor job. he has nevcer made ANY PLAYER IN10YEARS quicker side a side or end to end.maybe he is good muscle coach for other sports but the proving is he is VERY POOR for basketball'
muscle coach please look up muscle groups for open hip drop step and how to improve and no not 300pound bench press is not answer. i feel sorry for Moon because now he has to look up how to fix openhip drop step for players because in 10 extra years muscle coach has sad failed the challenge
our mjuscle coach proves not to know anything about this
i said before season if NS still slow as last year muscle coach
does poor job. he has nevcer made ANY PLAYER IN10YEARS quicker side a side or end to end.maybe he is good muscle coach for other sports but the proving is he is VERY POOR for basketball'
muscle coach please look up muscle groups for open hip drop step and how to improve and no not 300pound bench press is not answer. i feel sorry for Moon because now he has to look up how to fix openhip drop step for players because in 10 extra years muscle coach has sad failed the challenge
Fezz, does Mooney not have a voice to talk to ths strength coach and say "I want to work on quickness and lateral and open hip drop step"? I think Moon is comfortable just doing same thing over and over and over.
During Loyola's 2nd half lay up line drill, the announcers said repeatedly that Richmond was "tired" and "gassed." It certainly did appear to be the case.
Seemed to me that there was a lot of defensive energy in the first half. More double teams and more help defense than we normally see. I am not saying that the defensive work was fabulous, but the effort and hustle was present.
Second half there was almost ZERO defensive effort and hustle. Why? Maybe a part of the problem can be attributed to foul trouble. The main difference though was effort. I do suspect that fatigue HIGHLIGHTED and exposed the flawed defensive ability of 2 of the main players. Was fatigue the primary factor in reducing the effort? I think not, defensive effort is more of a mindset that must be coached and rewarded (or punished for lack of effort).
Think about the bigger picture here. The 4th game of the year and 20-year old athletes are gassed? WTH! That part of the problem will only get worse as the long season progresses. This is another casualty of failing to recruit and develop a bench (Coaching).
Seemed to me that there was a lot of defensive energy in the first half. More double teams and more help defense than we normally see. I am not saying that the defensive work was fabulous, but the effort and hustle was present.
Second half there was almost ZERO defensive effort and hustle. Why? Maybe a part of the problem can be attributed to foul trouble. The main difference though was effort. I do suspect that fatigue HIGHLIGHTED and exposed the flawed defensive ability of 2 of the main players. Was fatigue the primary factor in reducing the effort? I think not, defensive effort is more of a mindset that must be coached and rewarded (or punished for lack of effort).
Think about the bigger picture here. The 4th game of the year and 20-year old athletes are gassed? WTH! That part of the problem will only get worse as the long season progresses. This is another casualty of failing to recruit and develop a bench (Coaching).
It makes me sick that mooney won't get players off the bench and give them playing time, especially in out of conference games and when we are being blown out.
HOW DO YOU DEVELOP YOUNG PLAYERS IF YOU DON'T PLAY THEM?
HOW DO YOU DEVELOP YOUNG PLAYERS IF YOU DON'T PLAY THEM?
Agree with all if the above. Saw guys practically stepping out of the way in the 2nd half. I dont care what the guy is giving on offense if he can't or wont play defense. Mooney let's this slide whereas if one of his subs makes a bad pass he goes crazy. Message is play scared and damn well make sure you dont play with toughness.
Well, they have connections to the area. From 2006 to 2009, coach Edwards was an assistant at VCU under Anthony Grant.
Ok that was one of your better ones 23. Spit out my coffee reading that. Could be a lawsuit.
Sad but true. Unfortunately you'll need to save the above lines for a bunch of games this year. No doubt Loyola is a good team, but the question is - how many games this year will follow a similar pattern as last night? We want to be upbeat & optimistic, but the same ole pattern continues to repeat and repeat and repeat. We all know what to expect game in & game out.
By my count, he spoke for 85 seconds, according to the video they posted on RichmondSpiders.com. Can't get a direct link to it.
I'll give Loyola credit. I think they're a really good team again. we'll see.
defensively, could nobody in the 2nd half give any resistance to someone looking to drive? I think Nathan is the only guy who can stay in front of his man. not even our quick guards. you've got to slow a guy down a little or help can't help.
I have to assume we force baseline intentionally ... at least I hope so based on how easy it was to go baseline. you can argue against that strategy, but it worked ok in the 1st half as we actually rotated, cut off the drive on the ball side of the hoop, and anticipated the pass. but the 2nd half was a freaking layup line. nobody got across the lane.
I've read many times here how Mooney wrongly pulls guys out after making a mistake and they lose confidence. I personally miss that. I'm guessing he's not pulling guys now because he doesn't think the bench is ready but if Nathan takes 6 dribbles in the lane before turning it over he needs to get yanked and get the death stare as he comes off the floor. same with Woj if he throws a lazy perimeter pass that gets stolen for a dunk, Nick when he doesn't get involved defensively, JJ and Jacob when they get blown effortlessly, and Grant after he gives up an offensive rebound on a foul shot for the 3rd time in the game.
we were very poor on both ends in the 2nd half. some say we were tired. I sure hope so. we played hard early so it could be that, though the minutes weren't excessive. but turnovers killed us. they may have been an even bigger problem in the 2nd half than the defense which was really bad.
side note ... the refs were atrocious and it had a huge effect. granted, Nathan was a mess in his 12 minutes. some awful turnovers. but the fouls may have been in his head. I don't know how it's possible to even make that initial grab-and-pull call, but then to review it and stick with it? I can only guess the monitor wasn't working and they stared at a blank screen.
Loyola is a good team. it's not a shocking loss. I hope we bounce back Wednesday.
defensively, could nobody in the 2nd half give any resistance to someone looking to drive? I think Nathan is the only guy who can stay in front of his man. not even our quick guards. you've got to slow a guy down a little or help can't help.
I have to assume we force baseline intentionally ... at least I hope so based on how easy it was to go baseline. you can argue against that strategy, but it worked ok in the 1st half as we actually rotated, cut off the drive on the ball side of the hoop, and anticipated the pass. but the 2nd half was a freaking layup line. nobody got across the lane.
I've read many times here how Mooney wrongly pulls guys out after making a mistake and they lose confidence. I personally miss that. I'm guessing he's not pulling guys now because he doesn't think the bench is ready but if Nathan takes 6 dribbles in the lane before turning it over he needs to get yanked and get the death stare as he comes off the floor. same with Woj if he throws a lazy perimeter pass that gets stolen for a dunk, Nick when he doesn't get involved defensively, JJ and Jacob when they get blown effortlessly, and Grant after he gives up an offensive rebound on a foul shot for the 3rd time in the game.
we were very poor on both ends in the 2nd half. some say we were tired. I sure hope so. we played hard early so it could be that, though the minutes weren't excessive. but turnovers killed us. they may have been an even bigger problem in the 2nd half than the defense which was really bad.
side note ... the refs were atrocious and it had a huge effect. granted, Nathan was a mess in his 12 minutes. some awful turnovers. but the fouls may have been in his head. I don't know how it's possible to even make that initial grab-and-pull call, but then to review it and stick with it? I can only guess the monitor wasn't working and they stared at a blank screen.
Loyola is a good team. it's not a shocking loss. I hope we bounce back Wednesday.
We have had many games over the last 5 years where it is very obvious we can not contain a quick guard off the dribble and continuously give up layup after layup in this atrocious matchup zone garbage.
Its one of the easiest adjustments in the world to change D aNd force them to keep it on the perimeter. CM is the only d1 coach in history who doesnt know how to do it.
Most frustrating part was how many offensive rebounds they got off their missed free throws. I think on one of those we even fouled again when they scored off of it. Put Sal in for those and then sub him out.
I believe JJ took the first charge of the season. That is where we miss Buck and his ability (and willingness!) to shift over and take a charge. Really needed that against all of those lay-ups.
Jacob's floater was amazing! The arc on it was incredible. Hope to see more of that in his repertoire going forward.
I believe JJ took the first charge of the season. That is where we miss Buck and his ability (and willingness!) to shift over and take a charge. Really needed that against all of those lay-ups.
Jacob's floater was amazing! The arc on it was incredible. Hope to see more of that in his repertoire going forward.
The Ft Myers temperature wore our regulars down but they sweated it out almost to the end when subs entered the game. The announcers referring to Mooney as the winningest coach(tied at this point) is a total malapropism. He is tied for the most number of wins, has the record for the most losses, but winningest means having achieved the most success. That distinction belongs to Coach Tarrant who has the highest winning percentage. Realize announcers "get carried away" particularly when they have little knowledge of a program; however, they should be accurate.
He's not even starting for Salem University. Averaging 7ish points a game this year.
Websters says winningest = having achieved the most wins. so they weren't inaccurate.
Yes, but I was looking to leverage his Simon Says skills, he could of cleaned up in the off day contests is my belief.
I look at our "leaders". Grant and Nick were atrocious again on defense. They just watch people drive right towards them and then step OUT of the way. It's fricking embarrassing. As usual our close-outs were fundamentally terrible, resulting in endless blow-bys. Even Gilyard was guilty, and he's usually decent at stopping dribble penetration. This is equal measure Mooney for not coaching and/or holding people accountable, and the players for simply not putting forth any effort at all. I think it boils down to, if we make a few three pointers, we try on defense. If we miss a few in a row, we stop trying on defense.
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