Lawfare: US v. Trump, Trump wins!
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Do some folks really believe this? Take the time to read the decision in its entirety. There are guardrails. It is not carte blanche as some would lead us to believe. Not even close.
And don't know where to put this so dropping it here. Several times I brought up "presentism" relative to statue removals, renaming of campus buildings, etc. in the post George Floyd sanctimonious convulsions. Spend 8:22 to hear this to the end from one of your of your own.
Do some folks really believe this isn't happening right now? The only reason Trump ran at all was to be able to get all these legal cases overturned or thrown out solely because he's president. And that's exactly what's happening. He has argued in court that the president shouldn't or can't be charged with any crimes at so. So yes, I am very worried about this happening because it literally is happening. You can choose to believe otherwise but that doesn't mean it's not.
With respect for your opinion, calling BS as I see it. Trump was running before the cases even arose. Evident he was running since his defeat in 2020.
Lawfare backfired. The public saw it for what it was, an effort to bastardize the justice system for political gain.
Lawfare backfired. The public saw it for what it was, an effort to bastardize the justice system for political gain.
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He led an insurrection and was called out on it through the legal system. I'm not sure what part of that constitutes lawfare. He now will have the ability to do literally anything to anyone without repercussion, and he will. He gets away with everything he wants to, and it will only get worse in the next four years.
More mob violence than an insurrection in my view. Thought such behavior was acceptable to many given the George Floyd "mostly peaceful" protests which resulted in multiple deaths and over $1 billion in damages while authorities charged with protecting the public, too frequently, sat idly by.
Strongly condemn Jan 6 and Trump for whipping the flames that led to it. Disqualified him from my vote ( no, didn't vote for Harris either).
For your consideration:
1) Trump wanted National Guard troops to be present on January 6. Dems decided no.
2) Trump in Jan 6 speech urged followers (devotees) to march to the Capitol and make their voices heard "peacefully and patriotically".
Hard to see how points 1 and 2 sync up with insurrection. Only person killed was an unarmed female protester who was a veteran. Shooter, who was not physically threatened, was exonerated without a trial.
So we agree. January 6 was an abomination. Without Trump fanning the flames it would not have occurred organically. Despicable.
On the other hand, facts support it was an unarmed mob, not an insurrection. The record should be fairly reported.
Let's not allow hatred to blind us from reason.
Strongly condemn Jan 6 and Trump for whipping the flames that led to it. Disqualified him from my vote ( no, didn't vote for Harris either).
For your consideration:
1) Trump wanted National Guard troops to be present on January 6. Dems decided no.
2) Trump in Jan 6 speech urged followers (devotees) to march to the Capitol and make their voices heard "peacefully and patriotically".
Hard to see how points 1 and 2 sync up with insurrection. Only person killed was an unarmed female protester who was a veteran. Shooter, who was not physically threatened, was exonerated without a trial.
So we agree. January 6 was an abomination. Without Trump fanning the flames it would not have occurred organically. Despicable.
On the other hand, facts support it was an unarmed mob, not an insurrection. The record should be fairly reported.
Let's not allow hatred to blind us from reason.
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"peacefully and patriotically" - Trump additionally said in the same speech "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". Trump knows now to parse words to his advantage. Trump also disavowed any knowledge of Project 25. In that too, circumstantial evidence (announced government appointments) says otherwise.
Re point #1 about the National Guard troops, I really don't see where the Democrats said "no". I also realize it somewhat comes down to he said (Trump) / she said (Pelosi) and that instantly translates into a partisan take.
apnews.com
www.politifact.com
www.cbsnews.com
Re point #1 about the National Guard troops, I really don't see where the Democrats said "no". I also realize it somewhat comes down to he said (Trump) / she said (Pelosi) and that instantly translates into a partisan take.
Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of Jan. 6
Donald Trump recently repeated the false claim that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected his request for 10,000 National Guard troops ahead of Jan. 6.
www.usatoday.com
Trump did not sign an order to deploy 20,000 troops on Jan. 6
New footage released Thursday of House lawmakers on Jan. 6 has sparked a resurgence of false claims and conspiracy theories about the insurrection.
apnews.com
There’s no proof for Trump claim that Pelosi denied troops
Asked in an interview about the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, former President Donald Trump claimed that he had mad
www.politifact.com
Trump did not have 10,000 troops ready to deploy on Jan. 6, his defense secretary says
The House Jan. 6 committee tweeted a clip featuring former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller's testimony.
www.cbsnews.com
This is Democratic Lawfare at its best. Prosecute Republicans and let Democrats off. Now Uncle Joe has pardoned son Hunter. There are two systems of justice.
www.nbcnews.com
President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden
The decision, which was first reported by NBC News, is a reversal for the president, who repeatedly said he would not use his authority to pardon his son or commute his sentence.
www.nbcnews.com
I don't think Biden should have pardoned his son, especially after saying he wouldn't. That said, Trump has said he's going to pardon every thug who attacked the Capitol and police officers in an attempt to hang Mike Pence and overthrow our government, so I suppose he figured "F it, if he can get away with everything then I might as well clear my son's record."
Do you really believe your multiple sources to be non partisan? Legacy press is dead. Most don't believe them anymore for good reason. Can't accurately report the mood of the entire country from NYC and DC. They exist in bubble."peacefully and patriotically" - Trump additionally said in the same speech "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". Trump knows now to parse words to his advantage. Trump also disavowed any knowledge of Project 25. In that too, circumstantial evidence (announced government appointments) says otherwise.
Re point #1 about the National Guard troops, I really don't see where the Democrats said "no". I also realize it somewhat comes down to he said (Trump) / she said (Pelosi) and that instantly translates into a partisan take.
Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of Jan. 6
Donald Trump recently repeated the false claim that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected his request for 10,000 National Guard troops ahead of Jan. 6.www.usatoday.comTrump did not sign an order to deploy 20,000 troops on Jan. 6
New footage released Thursday of House lawmakers on Jan. 6 has sparked a resurgence of false claims and conspiracy theories about the insurrection.There’s no proof for Trump claim that Pelosi denied troops
Asked in an interview about the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, former President Donald Trump claimed that he had madTrump did not have 10,000 troops ready to deploy on Jan. 6, his defense secretary says
The House Jan. 6 committee tweeted a clip featuring former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller's testimony.
Trump should have pardoned Hunter upon assuming office. Biden should have pardoned Trump before leaving office (actually, believe Biden exited some time ago) to move the country ahead, but no. We must dig into respective trench lines and lob shells at one another. Most unhealthy for the public good.
I searched for sites reporting on whether Trump wanted NG troops on Jan 6 and those sites came up first. This morning, I checked them against Ad Fontes Media for its rating of each. All were rated with a Bias of "Middle" and a Reliability of "Reliable, Analysis/Fact Reporting" so yes, I do believe them to be relatively non-partisan. I realize I can be accused of being naive but I will take traditional mainstream journalism over many of the popup sites staffed by self-proclaimed journalists.
I agree that where all the reporting emanates from solely DC or NYC bias would inherently exist. That said, a podcast firmly ensconced in what is termed flyover America would also lead to bubble bias and should be equally recognized. Addressing the Jan 6 reporting specifically, I would think being in the DC bubble to report on it would be better than looking in from afar and the mood of folks is not as germane as reporting the event from the event site. Good reporting allows folks to make their own conclusions. Admittedly, that assumes that a balanced news diet is sought. Sadly, there are many low information / sole source information consumers.
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Yes, there are 2 systems of justice. I guess you conveniently forgot about Trump pardoning Trump cult followers Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and George Papadopoulos.This is Democratic Lawfare at its best. Prosecute Republicans and let Democrats off. Now Uncle Joe has pardoned son Hunter. There are two systems of justice.
President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden
The decision, which was first reported by NBC News, is a reversal for the president, who repeatedly said he would not use his authority to pardon his son or commute his sentence.
Here are a series of videos in which Nancy Pelosi admits she was responsible for failing to deploy the national guard. But let's get over it. Harris lost, Trump won.
NEW: Obtained HBO Footage Shows Pelosi Again Taking Responsibility for Capitol Security on January 6
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on House Administration
cha.house.gov
Joe Biden claims his son was subjected to lawfare. The rest of the world knows this is a lie.
"President Joe Biden’s decision to use his presidential powers to pardon his own son will be a decision that lives in infamy in presidential politics. It is not just that the President used his constitutional powers to benefit his family. It is because the action culminates years of lying to the public about his knowledge and intentions in the influence-peddling scandal surrounding his family. Even among past scandals in the abuse of the pardon power, Biden has cemented his legacy for many as not the Commander in Chief but the Liar in Chief."
jonathanturley.org
"President Joe Biden’s decision to use his presidential powers to pardon his own son will be a decision that lives in infamy in presidential politics. It is not just that the President used his constitutional powers to benefit his family. It is because the action culminates years of lying to the public about his knowledge and intentions in the influence-peddling scandal surrounding his family. Even among past scandals in the abuse of the pardon power, Biden has cemented his legacy for many as not the Commander in Chief but the Liar in Chief."
Liar in Chief: President Biden Cloaks His Legacy in Infamy With the Hunter Biden Pardon
Below is my column in Fox.com on President Joe Biden’s pardoning of his son Hunter of not just his convicted crimes but any crimes that he may have chosen to commit. President Biden has set a…
jonathanturley.org
Let's not forget what Hunter did and received.
There were diamonds as gifts, lavish expense accounts, and a sports car, in addition to massive payments that Hunter claimed were “loans.” There are messages where Hunter belies the President’s portrayal of a political witch hunt, including messages like the one to a Chinese businessman openly threatening the displeasure of Joe Biden if money is not sent to them immediately. In the WhatsApp message, Hunter stated:
“I am sitting here with my father, and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the Chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.”
jonathanturley.org
There were diamonds as gifts, lavish expense accounts, and a sports car, in addition to massive payments that Hunter claimed were “loans.” There are messages where Hunter belies the President’s portrayal of a political witch hunt, including messages like the one to a Chinese businessman openly threatening the displeasure of Joe Biden if money is not sent to them immediately. In the WhatsApp message, Hunter stated:
“I am sitting here with my father, and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the Chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.”
Liar in Chief: President Biden Cloaks His Legacy in Infamy With the Hunter Biden Pardon
Below is my column in Fox.com on President Joe Biden’s pardoning of his son Hunter of not just his convicted crimes but any crimes that he may have chosen to commit. President Biden has set a…
jonathanturley.org
She admitted to the general security preparedness being inadequate. That is on her. She had zero control over the DC National Guard as that is the provenance of the President. Lets make this onerous and say she flat denied the need for the NG and told the President that. That does put culpability on her as Speaker. However, it does nothing to take away the callow disregard of the situation by the President. Accounts have him watching the spectacle on TV and actively doing nothing, even though he was advised his VP and other loyal Republicans were in danger, until late in the afternoon. Any and all Pelosi statements aside, he had the ability and duty to restore order much earlier. He simply chose not to do so. To say something to the effect that “the Democrats told me not to do it” calls into question his leadership and is a total abrogation of his responsibilities. He certainly does not shirk them when he wishes to act.
I agree Trump won.
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I don't think Hunter should been pardoned, but probably more deserving than, Stone, Mannford, Bannon, and Papadopoulos. Having said that I understand why he did it, when Trump says his Presidency will be the retribution tour, and he is appointing people in his cabinet that voice the same.
"On the other hand, facts support it was an unarmed mob, not an insurrection". Tell that to the 140 police officers who were injured, many of whom got the crap beat out of them. I guess you don't think bear spray, flag posts and anything else they could find to beat the officers qualify as weapons.
Let's not forget that David Weiss, hand picked by Trump and Barr to investigate the Bidens, has spent 5 plus years and millions of dollars investigating and came up with nothing more than lying on a gun purchase and tax violations. So keep on spouting your BS, the US Attorney looking for something to appease Trump came up with only relatively minor charges.Let's not forget what Hunter did and received.
There were diamonds as gifts, lavish expense accounts, and a sports car, in addition to massive payments that Hunter claimed were “loans.” There are messages where Hunter belies the President’s portrayal of a political witch hunt, including messages like the one to a Chinese businessman openly threatening the displeasure of Joe Biden if money is not sent to them immediately. In the WhatsApp message, Hunter stated:
“I am sitting here with my father, and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the Chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.”
Liar in Chief: President Biden Cloaks His Legacy in Infamy With the Hunter Biden Pardon
Below is my column in Fox.com on President Joe Biden’s pardoning of his son Hunter of not just his convicted crimes but any crimes that he may have chosen to commit. President Biden has set a…
I'm not thrilled that Biden pardoned his son. However.... when Trump's choice to head the FBI has explicitly stated he will go after "the Biden crime family" it's pretty understandable.
I know what I saw as I watched, I saw pipes, poles, sprays being used by an out of control mob. I heard their chants, this is our house, where's Nancy, kill this one kill that one. Any other country that would be an attempted insurrection, so that is what I saw J6 to have been. BTW. I also saw the man in the tree with an assault rifle at Trumps speech site.
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By the standards established during the George Floyd unrest, this would be characterized as a "mostly peaceful" protest. Far more officers were injured and lives lost in the Floyd convulsions than January 6.
Condemn them both, but the telling of the stories should be consistent.
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George Floyd unrest was not handled correctly, but there is no hint those people wanted to overthrow any aspect of government, they only wanted government to show fairness and justice by punishing members of government.
Have said before peaceful protest should be accepted, violence and destruction should not.
Have said before peaceful protest should be accepted, violence and destruction should not.
Please stop with the false equivalencies.
Attacking the very seat of the Federal Government, threatening to hang the vice-president and kill the Speaker of the House, attempting to stop the count of the electoral college in order to negate the results of a presidential election and interrupt the peaceful transformation of power is a little different than burning a 7-Eleven.
Understand and respect your view. Just saying most of us clods out here find the word "insurrection" as loaded and misapplied in this case. To seriously believe that a disorganized, unarmed group of a few hundred, or a thousand descended on the Capitol to topple the government seems farcical.
And submit it is not a false equivalency at all. More similarities than differences. Both groups, polar opposites, expressed their vehement disagreements with out government through violent means. Unacceptable on both parties.
