Lawfare: US v. Trump, Trump wins!
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No form of contraception is 100% effective. Not all pregnancies can be carried to term. Not all pregnancies are 100% safe for the mother. Not all pregnancies are the result of consensual sex.
One can easily be responsible yet have the need for a safe abortion.
And a woman's reproductive choices should be between her and her doctor. No need for the government to be involved.
One can easily be responsible yet have the need for a safe abortion.
And a woman's reproductive choices should be between her and her doctor. No need for the government to be involved.
Yeah but that wouldn't follow the Republican mantra of "government shouldn't tell you what to do in your personal life, except for things we decide we like."
Abortion is an important issue that should be left to the states. It should not be decided by unelected Judges. The citizens in California are different than those in West Virginia or Texas. There is no reason to force one rule for the entire nation. Let the people in each state decide.
You could, of course, make the same statement about literally any topic for which there is a federal law.
"Let the old evangelical Christian white men in each state decide." Fixed that for you.
We would still live in an apartheid nation if decisions on slavery, civil rights and voting rights had been left up to the states. Some rights must be Federally guaranteed because some states simply won't do it.
A woman in Alabama has just as much right to make her own reproductive decisions as a woman in California. Except Alabama won't let her.
I suggest you read the Tenth Amendment.
Here is the rejoinder to your comment.
"The special counsels appointed in recent years, from John Durham and David C. Weiss to Patrick Fitzgerald and Robert Hur, didn’t have Mr. Smith’s problem because they were U.S. attorneys who had already gone through the nomination and confirmation process. As for Robert Mueller, who also wasn’t a U.S. attorney when he was named special counsel to investigate Russian interference into the 2016 election, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia basically passed on delving into a challenge to his status....
Recently Judge Cannon received some powerful support. In his concurrence in the Supreme Court’s decision on presidential immunity, Justice Clarence Thomas weighed in on Mr. Smith appointment: “If this unprecedented prosecution is to proceed, it must be conducted by someone duly authorized to do so by the American people.”
Democrats overstepped their bounds. They wrecked their case by picking the wrong guy, in the wrong way. Follow the constitution, not your whims.
"You could say Mr. Smith embodies the overreach that has come to characterize Democratic politics in recent years. The Electoral College elects George W. Bush even though Al Gore won the popular vote? Abolish the Electoral College. The Senate filibuster is inhibiting Barack Obama’s judicial appointments? Get rid of it—and then watch Mitch McConnell use the new system to fill the bench with Trump nominees. Now an overly aggressive special counsel not only has had his case dismissed but has brought his own appointment into question.
Certainly having the charges in the strongest criminal case against Donald Trump dismissed is a stunning win for the former president. But if Judge Cannon and Justice Thomas are right—and we’ll know they are by the amount of abuse heaped on them—it’s a bigger victory for the Constitution, the American people and all future presidents.
"You could say Mr. Smith embodies the overreach that has come to characterize Democratic politics in recent years. The Electoral College elects George W. Bush even though Al Gore won the popular vote? Abolish the Electoral College. The Senate filibuster is inhibiting Barack Obama’s judicial appointments? Get rid of it—and then watch Mitch McConnell use the new system to fill the bench with Trump nominees. Now an overly aggressive special counsel not only has had his case dismissed but has brought his own appointment into question.
Certainly having the charges in the strongest criminal case against Donald Trump dismissed is a stunning win for the former president. But if Judge Cannon and Justice Thomas are right—and we’ll know they are by the amount of abuse heaped on them—it’s a bigger victory for the Constitution, the American people and all future presidents.
Agree with much of what you say. Chose words carefully in my post to which you appear to be responding:
"Focusing on reproductive responsibility rather than reproductive rights would largely disappear this issue."
You point out some exceptions with which I agree.
Problem on the issue is the "absolutes" on both ends of the spectrum - Never permissible bc it is a human life from conception to it is a woman's absolute right to abort a baby up to being delivered in the birth canal.
Under Roe, USA was an outlier in the World. Most countries allow abortion, if at all, up to on average 15 weeks. We were waaay outside the norm based on a made up right never addressed by our Constitution.
Fifteen weeks recognizes the fetus is not viable outside the womb. Gives the woman an opportunity to avoid an unwanted pregnancy regardless of cause. If development is allowed to the point where the fetus is viable outside the womb, and there are no fetal abnormalities or threat to the woman's life, we are bordering on murder.
Sensible ground and good policy lie between the absolutes.
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Definitely the only time a president has ever tried to add justices that had a biased view on things...
No last time was DJT, he campaigned he would appoint Justices to over turn Roe v Wade, he appointed people vetted by Heritage Foundation as opposed to Roe, and they over turn Roe at 1st chance.
Every President does that. But FDR was the last time a President tried to pack the court. Now Biden wants to place term limits on the Court, along with executive oversight.
The Supreme Court's greatest impact is its dismantling of the administrative state, not Roe v. Wade.
Its greatest impact lately has been in how effectively certain justices can be bought by special interests and continually "forget" to report a ton of free gifts and trips. Quite impressive, really. I'm sure it was just an oversight. Or 10. But yes, what bad could ever come of having specific people in very powerful roles forever? If Trump is elected again, he will try to turn the presidency into a dictatorship for the same reasons. Of course, he would be lucky to live long enough to serve another term anyway.
You may be right, but I would rather have experts setting guidelines not Judges. We know Congress will never be able to pass detailed guidelines on technical issues, legislation will always leave questions. I believe the Courts will find themselves overwhelmed. All they had to do was instead of deferring to agency, Court will give strong consideration the agency finding.
I disagree, every President does that. He wants term limits and ethical standards. I see no problem with either.
FDR is the famous one. It wasn’t about who you appoint. Packing the court usually means trying to add to the nine enough new seats to get a majority. For instance if the current administration was trying to raise the number from 9 to 13…
So instead of 6-3 it was 7-6…
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If I recall, most of the Supreme Court members were not FDRs. Because the Court's membership was threatened by FDR, they switched their positions on almost every issue. The famous quote by one of the justices was "A switch in time, saves nine, " which alluded to the almost complete support of FDR's intrusive invasion into every aspect of American life.
The issues before the courts in the lawfare cases against President-elect Trump have been answered by the election. Donald Trump won. Should these cases continue to be prosecuted?
Now that the verdict is in, the question is whether prosecutors will continue their unrelenting campaign against the president-elect and his companies. The answer is that it may not matter. ...
The 2024 election will come to be viewed as one of the biggest political and cultural shifts in our history. It was the mainstream-media-versus-new media election; the Rogan-versus-Oprah election; the establishment-versus-a-disassociated-electorate election.
It was also a thorough rejection of lawfare. One of the things most frustrating for Trump’s opponents was that every trial or hearing seemed to give Trump a boost in the polls. As cases piled up in Washington, New York, Florida and Georgia, the effort seemed to move more toward political acclamation than isolation.
Donald Trump just won the greatest jury verdict in American history
Now that the verdict is in, the question is whether prosecutors will continue their unrelenting campaign against the president-elect and his companies. The answer is that it may not matter. ...
The 2024 election will come to be viewed as one of the biggest political and cultural shifts in our history. It was the mainstream-media-versus-new media election; the Rogan-versus-Oprah election; the establishment-versus-a-disassociated-electorate election.
It was also a thorough rejection of lawfare. One of the things most frustrating for Trump’s opponents was that every trial or hearing seemed to give Trump a boost in the polls. As cases piled up in Washington, New York, Florida and Georgia, the effort seemed to move more toward political acclamation than isolation.
Alvin Bragg of New York retreats and asks for a stay in sentencing until 2029, after Trump leaves office. Trump wants the whole thing dismissed. Expect Marchan to grant the stay until 2029, then Trump will appeal to have the whole case thrown out.
www.foxnews.com
Prosecutors request stay in Trump NY case until 2029 as defense plans motion for dismissal 'once and for all'
New York prosecutors are open to dismissing charges against President-elect Donald Trump and are requesting a briefing from his attorneys on their argument to toss the case entirely.
What do you want a seasoned prosecutor to do when their investigation reveals probable cause to believe that a criminal law was broken?
The death threats against Bragg and the other prosecutors of Trump, along with the threats to their families, just weren't enough, right? He will instruct his AG, probably Gaetz, to go after all of his prosecutors and perceived enemies to try to make their lives miserable. Our justice system will be a joke, but what's to be expected when there's a sicko who is President and a sicko who is the AG, both of whom are most likely guilty of sexual assault.
What do you expect from people who believe the oath of office is only to be followed when it benefits them.
Oz has experience as a fraud and a huckster. At least McMahon has some limited education connections. Of course, it seems she is not a huge fan of public education.
The real death threats were against the President-elect of the United States. He survived two assassination attempts from domestic sources and a very real threat from the Iranians.
MTG for Education Secretary!!
The conviction in NY of Trump by Juan Merchan is about over. The Judge has ordered briefs on whether the whole thing should be completely dismissed. He completely adjourned the sentencing hearing scheduled for Nov. 26.
www.foxnews.com
New York judge grants Trump request to file motion to dismiss charges, cancels sentencing indefinitely
Judge Juan Merchan on Friday granted President-elect Donald Trump's request to file a motion to dismiss the charges in New York v. Trump and removed the sentencing date for the president-elect from the schedule.
Tell that to the poll workers, the judges, the law clerks, and the prosecutors, who along with their families, had to endure harassment, nut cases showing up at their homes, and vile phone calls, emails and texts, as a direct result of the language Trump used against them. Trump had the secret service and FBI protecting him, these people had little, if any, protection. Keep on defending your cult leader and your hero Trump.
Now that I'm done celebrating a great day of tailgating and watching UR kick the Tribe's butt and finishing undefeated in their last CAA year, I can get back to less important things.
I had no idea Trump hates those thing, how un-American. I did know he is a person that does not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’
Both of the pending federal cases filed by Jack Smith against President-elect Trump were dismissed today, Monday, November 25, 2024.
nypost.com
Judge dismisses Jan. 6 case against Trump as prez-elect calls prosecution ‘political hijacking’: ‘Low point in the History of our Country’
“These cases, like all of the other cases I have been forced to go through, are empty and lawless, and should never have been brought,” Trump vented on Truth Social.
nypost.com
The president now can do literally anything he or she wants to do, without any repercussion at all. What do you call a system of government in which the leader has absolute power over everyone else?
Still waiting for Lawfare proponents to answer this;
What do you want a seasoned prosecutor to do when their investigation reveals probable cause to believe that a criminal law was broken?
What do you want a seasoned prosecutor to do when their investigation reveals probable cause to believe that a criminal law was broken?
Lavrentiy Beria said "show me the man and I will show you the crime." Liberal prosecutors took this to the extreme. They manufactured charges, forum shopped, picked judges, grand juries, petit juries, used unheard of legal theories, and got convictions. They did this to destroy Trump and any other Republican, including Bob McDonell. When cases were appealed they lost.
Jack Smith was notorious for this. He went after Bob McDonell to clear the field for Mark Warner.
You'll never believe there were legitimate reasons to charge or convict with crimes. I choose to believe my own eyes and ears, We will soon have an immoral criminal in the Whitehouse, I pray we survive. My fear is the few guard rails in place last time have been destroyed, most of the individuals that kept him in check are gone, and with his new found immunity I have limited faith with will survive.
You will never believe there was forum shopping and that prosecutors manipulated facts and the law to justify their outcomes. You will also never believe Democrats prosecute Republicans or Conservatives for following their consciences and only to gain electoral advantage.
Lawfare doesn't work, when your opponent has enough money, because the cases are always weak. It's designed to overwhelm the defendant and force him to buckle under.
Will you admit that the Georgia case was a mistake? The DA set up her boyfriend to receive direct payments to handle the complex criminal action against Trump.
The best case against Trump was the documents case in Florida, and the Judge ruled Jack Smith was illegally appointed. The rest of the cases were just noise. When the immunity case went in favor of Trump, it was over.
