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Lawfare: US v. Trump, Trump wins!

The protection of classified papers is sloppy at best. if you convict Biden under the facts you describe you need to convict Pence, and IIRC Bush also. The difference is among other things Trump lied, resisted, and blocked recovery, Bush, Biden and Pence did not, they cooperated and returned the papers.
Of all the lawfare cases, this is the strongest against Trump. The same case is true against Biden.
 
Long Time, agree there no evidence yet found that ties the Prez directly to the influence peddling actions of his family, but hard to deny there is not a lot of smoke all about him. Likely knew or suspected what was going on but plausible deniability maintained. Clearly speculation on my part, but based on info that has come out and not a partisan reading.

Trump, who I consider unfit for office, was fined $385 million for a victimless crime which strikes me as a rank political railroad job. Lenders do not rely on borrower submitted financials in making lending decisions. They perform their own due diligence, particularly for loans of the size involved in that case. NY AG ran on a platform of getting Trump which further taints the case. I don't like the guy, but hope our judicial system has not become a clone of authoritative regimes.

Thought the GA case might have legs, but defer judgment until ALL the evidence is presented. Fani managed to make a mess of things unnecessarily so unsure where this case is going.

Records case from what has come out looked damning, but Biden's (and others) serious miscues in handling classified docs muddy the water. Understand the (willful) innocent mistake v intentional obstruction argument, but don't believe this case will ultimately lead to a conviction. To me Special Prosecutor Hur's report included some unnecessary descriptions of the Prez's cognitive state. Telling that AG Garland did not tidy it up before release. As I stated in a previous post, tells me this was but the first step in denying Biden the nomination. This would be good for the country and good for him and his family.

Finally, the January 6 case out of Special Prosecutor Jack Smith's office troubles me for one reason...Jack Smith. Overly aggressive, partisan leanings, and stretches legal interpretations to the point where nearly every major case he handles is overturned on appeal. Not the guy for the job or someone that is synonymous with impartiality.

Want our legal system to work in a fair and non partisan way for everyone including politicians regardless of party and regardless of their views. Surveying the current hyper partisan landscape, fear that Lady Justice's blindfold may be slipping. Find that very troubling.

Sorry for being so long winded, but laid up post knee replacement and bored....but I will take full responsibility for the views expressed and not, at some future date, blame them on being under the influence of pain meds. :)
 
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Long Time, agree there no evidence yet found that ties the Prez directly to the influence peddling actions of his family, but hard to deny there is not a lot of smoke all about him. Likely knew or suspected what was going on but plausible deniability maintained. Clearly speculation on my part, but based on info that has come out and not a partisan reading.

Trump, who I consider unfit for office, was fined $385 million for a victimless crime which strikes me as a rank political railroad job. Lenders do not rely on borrower submitted financials in making lending decisions. They perform their own due diligence, particularly for loans of the size involved in that case. NY AG ran on a platform of getting Trump which further taints the case. I don't like the guy, but hope our judicial system has not become a clone of authoritative regimes.

Thought the GA case might have legs, but defer judgment until ALL the evidence is presented. Fani managed to make a mess of things unnecessarily so unsure where this case is going.

Records case from what has come out looked damning, but Biden's (and others) serious miscues in handling classified docs muddy the water. Understand the (willful) innocent mistake v intentional obstruction argument, but don't believe this case will ultimately lead to a conviction. To me Special Prosecutor Hur's report included some unnecessary descriptions of the Prez's cognitive state. Telling that AG Garland did not tidy it up before release. As I stated in a previous post, tells me this was but the first step in denying Biden the nomination. This would be good for the country and good for him and his family.

Finally, the January 6 case out of Special Prosecutor Jack Smith's office troubles me for one reason...Jack Smith. Overly aggressive, partisan leanings, and stretches legal interpretations to the point where nearly every major case he handles is overturned on appeal. Not the guy for the job or someone that is synonymous with impartiality.

Want our legal system to work in a fair and non partisan way for everyone including politicians regardless of party and regardless of their views. Surveying the current hyper partisan landscape, fear that Lady Justice's blindfold may be slipping. Find that very troubling.

Sorry for being so long winded, but laid up post knee replacement and bored....but I will take full responsibility for the views expressed and not, at some future date, blame them on being under the influence of pain meds. :)
We don't always agree but wishing you the best on your recovery. Knee replacements are tough, I've had two hips and it was easy-peasy in comparison. Get better, and do the rehab.
 
Long Time, agree there no evidence yet found that ties the Prez directly to the influence peddling actions of his family, but hard to deny there is not a lot of smoke all about him. Likely knew or suspected what was going on but plausible deniability maintained. Clearly speculation on my part, but based on info that has come out and not a partisan reading.

Trump, who I consider unfit for office, was fined $385 million for a victimless crime which strikes me as a rank political railroad job. Lenders do not rely on borrower submitted financials in making lending decisions. They perform their own due diligence, particularly for loans of the size involved in that case. NY AG ran on a platform of getting Trump which further taints the case. I don't like the guy, but hope our judicial system has not become a clone of authoritative regimes.

Thought the GA case might have legs, but defer judgment until ALL the evidence is presented. Fani managed to make a mess of things unnecessarily so unsure where this case is going.

Records case from what has come out looked damning, but Biden's (and others) serious miscues in handling classified docs muddy the water. Understand the (willful) innocent mistake v intentional obstruction argument, but don't believe this case will ultimately lead to a conviction. To me Special Prosecutor Hur's report included some unnecessary descriptions of the Prez's cognitive state. Telling that AG Garland did not tidy it up before release. As I stated in a previous post, tells me this was but the first step in denying Biden the nomination. This would be good for the country and good for him and his family.

Finally, the January 6 case out of Special Prosecutor Jack Smith's office troubles me for one reason...Jack Smith. Overly aggressive, partisan leanings, and stretches legal interpretations to the point where nearly every major case he handles is overturned on appeal. Not the guy for the job or someone that is synonymous with impartiality.

Want our legal system to work in a fair and non partisan way for everyone including politicians regardless of party and regardless of their views. Surveying the current hyper partisan landscape, fear that Lady Justice's blindfold may be slipping. Find that very troubling.

Sorry for being so long winded, but laid up post knee replacement and bored....but I will take full responsibility for the views expressed and not, at some future date, blame them on being under the influence of pain meds. :)
Very well reasoned. Get well and do everything your PT tells you to. That is the key to recovery.
 
Long Time, agree there no evidence yet found that ties the Prez directly to the influence peddling actions of his family, but hard to deny there is not a lot of smoke all about him. Likely knew or suspected what was going on but plausible deniability maintained. Clearly speculation on my part, but based on info that has come out and not a partisan reading.

Trump, who I consider unfit for office, was fined $385 million for a victimless crime which strikes me as a rank political railroad job. Lenders do not rely on borrower submitted financials in making lending decisions. They perform their own due diligence, particularly for loans of the size involved in that case. NY AG ran on a platform of getting Trump which further taints the case. I don't like the guy, but hope our judicial system has not become a clone of authoritative regimes.

Thought the GA case might have legs, but defer judgment until ALL the evidence is presented. Fani managed to make a mess of things unnecessarily so unsure where this case is going.

Records case from what has come out looked damning, but Biden's (and others) serious miscues in handling classified docs muddy the water. Understand the (willful) innocent mistake v intentional obstruction argument, but don't believe this case will ultimately lead to a conviction. To me Special Prosecutor Hur's report included some unnecessary descriptions of the Prez's cognitive state. Telling that AG Garland did not tidy it up before release. As I stated in a previous post, tells me this was but the first step in denying Biden the nomination. This would be good for the country and good for him and his family.

Finally, the January 6 case out of Special Prosecutor Jack Smith's office troubles me for one reason...Jack Smith. Overly aggressive, partisan leanings, and stretches legal interpretations to the point where nearly every major case he handles is overturned on appeal. Not the guy for the job or someone that is synonymous with impartiality.

Want our legal system to work in a fair and non partisan way for everyone including politicians regardless of party and regardless of their views. Surveying the current hyper partisan landscape, fear that Lady Justice's blindfold may be slipping. Find that very troubling.

Sorry for being so long winded, but laid up post knee replacement and bored....but I will take full responsibility for the views expressed and not, at some future date, blame them on being under the influence of pain meds. :)
I don't always agree with everything you say, but your posts are well thought out, reasonable and thought provoking, maybe with a couple of exceptions (IMHO).

I hope you recover quickly and are back on the basketball court soon!!
 
As the District Attorney, Fani Willis interfered in Nathan Wade's divorce. She threatened to prosecute Wade's wife for interference in the Trump case. You can't threaten criminal prosecution to gain an advantage in a civil case. She can't use her office for personal purposes. It was therefore proferred that there is a massive conflict of interest and a violation of many professional canons by Ms. Willis..
 
The more lies they tell, the more it unravels. Why are Willis and Wade trying to hide their affair? They have only perjured themselves, making it more likely they will both be removed from the case.

The Cobb country district attorney is now saying that Fani Willis told Bradley (Wade's former law partner) to cover-up everything about her affair with Nathan Wade.

"Cindi Lee Yeager, a co-chief deputy district attorney for the Cobb County, Georgia, district attorney's office, said Bradley told her Willis and Wade's relationship began earlier than they stated....

"Yaeger claimed on Friday that Bradley had in the past told her that Wade and Willis met and started their romantic relationship in 2019 and Willis had told Bradley to keep it quiet.

"The filing said: "In or around September of 2023, Mr. Bradley was visiting Ms. Yeager in her office when Mr. Bradly received a telephone call. Ms. Yeager could hear that the caller was District Attorney Willis. District Attorney Willis was calling Mr. Bradley in response to an article that was published about how much money Mr. Wade and his law partners had been paid in this case. Ms. Yeager heard District Attorney Willis tell Mr. Bradley: 'They are coming after us. You don't need to talk to them about anything about us.'"

 
Here is a good summary of the lawfare efforts against Trump. All this has done is angered those who support him. All are weak and all are destined to fail. #3 and #5 have fallen apart, Biden has the same problem as #1. That leaves 2, 4 and 6. All because Democrats are afraid to face Trump at the ballot box.

The anti-Trump coalition has launched six main attacks on Trump.
Attack No. 1 is the federal indictment, brought by the Justice Department-appointed special counsel Jack Smith, charging Trump with 40 felony counts in the classified documents case.

No. 2 is the federal indictment, also brought by Smith, charging Trump with four felonies in the 2020 election and Jan. 6 case.

No. 3 is the sprawling, 13-felony count racketeering indictment, based on the 2020 election, brought against Trump and 18 co-defendants in Georgia by the elected Democratic Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.

No. 4 is the 34-felony count indictment, based on the payment of hush money in the 2016 election, brought by the elected Democratic Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

No. 5 is the effort, launched by various activists around the country, to remove Trump from presidential ballots by declaring him an “insurrectionist” under the terms of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

And No. 6 is the effort to bankrupt Trump by way of a lawsuit brought by the elected Democratic New York Attorney General Letitia James.

 
Here is a good summary of the lawfare efforts against Trump. All this has done is angered those who support him. All are weak and all are destined to fail. #3 and #5 have fallen apart, Biden has the same problem as #1. That leaves 2, 4 and 6. All because Democrats are afraid to face Trump at the ballot box.

The anti-Trump coalition has launched six main attacks on Trump.
Attack No. 1 is the federal indictment, brought by the Justice Department-appointed special counsel Jack Smith, charging Trump with 40 felony counts in the classified documents case.

No. 2 is the federal indictment, also brought by Smith, charging Trump with four felonies in the 2020 election and Jan. 6 case.

No. 3 is the sprawling, 13-felony count racketeering indictment, based on the 2020 election, brought against Trump and 18 co-defendants in Georgia by the elected Democratic Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.

No. 4 is the 34-felony count indictment, based on the payment of hush money in the 2016 election, brought by the elected Democratic Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

No. 5 is the effort, launched by various activists around the country, to remove Trump from presidential ballots by declaring him an “insurrectionist” under the terms of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

And No. 6 is the effort to bankrupt Trump by way of a lawsuit brought by the elected Democratic New York Attorney General Letitia James.

"All because Democrats are afraid to face Trump at the ballot box."

Have you been living under a rock? Democrats would much prefer to have Trump running for President rather than Haley. All the polls show Haley performing much better than Trump in a general election. Not to say Trump won't win, but to say Democrats are afraid to face Trump is just flat out wrong.
 
The US Supreme Court has ruled that states cannot remove Trump from their ballots. The Constitution still stands.

The Court made the correct ruling, that one state should not be able to remove a candidate for federal office, but they guttted the 14th Amendment by stating it requires Congressional action to enforce a violation. NOWHERE is that a requirement. Congress will never pass such an act as to say a politician strong enough to be a presidential candidate is an insurrectionist.
 
"All because Democrats are afraid to face Trump at the ballot box."

Have you been living under a rock? Democrats would much prefer to have Trump running for President rather than Haley. All the polls show Haley performing much better than Trump in a general election. Not to say Trump won't win, but to say Democrats are afraid to face Trump is just flat out wrong.
This is an accurate assessment. Trump is the weakest candidate in the race. Given that, why the incessant Lawfare against Trump? The answer is because Democrats can and many of the wealthy elite who hate Trump will pay for it.
 
The Court made the correct ruling, that one state should not be able to remove a candidate for federal office, but they guttted the 14th Amendment by stating it requires Congressional action to enforce a violation. NOWHERE is that a requirement. Congress will never pass such an act as to say a politician strong enough to be a presidential candidate is an insurrectionist.
We cannot have individual states deciding who our President will be. Only Congress, as a federal institution and through the democratic process, can enact legislation properly implementing the 14th Amendment's insurrection clause.
 
We cannot have individual states deciding who our President will be. Only Congress, as a federal institution and through the democratic process, can enact legislation properly implementing the 14th Amendment's insurrection clause.
As political as they are, they will never enact the 14th Amendment. so the SCT effectively amended the Constitution.
 
This is an accurate assessment. Trump is the weakest candidate in the race. Given that, why the incessant Lawfare against Trump? The answer is because Democrats can and many of the wealthy elite who hate Trump will pay for it.
No, the "Lawfare" against Trump is because there is actual evidence that he committed crimes. He exercised his 5th amendment right over 400 times in the NY civil case, so he must be afraid of something that he's done. The weakest case is the the NY Bragg case when he paid the porn star hush money, but the others appear to be strong if they ever will come to trial. Even private citizens have been prosecuted for lying to banks on mortgage applications, should Trump not be prosecuted for the same when the numbers he faked are substantially larger?
 
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What is the source of funds used to support this anti-Trump litigation? This provides only one peice of the puzzle. Was Fani Willis allowed to used seized property to support her pet project- to get Trump? They may be able to allege malfeasance by Willis, in the rush to begin the litigation against Trump.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis paid the chief prosecutor in former President Donald Trump's election fraud trial out of her seized property fund for the first three months he was hired, a defense lawyer has claimed in court documents and before a Georgia Senate committee.

 
No, the "Lawfare" against Trump is because there is actual evidence that he committed crimes. He exercised his 5th amendment right over 400 times in the NY civil case, so he must be afraid of something that he's done. The weakest case is the the NY Bragg case when he paid the porn star hush money, but the others appear to be strong if they ever will come to trial. Even private citizens have been prosecuted for lying to banks on mortgage applications, should Trump not be prosecuted for the same when the numbers he faked are substantially larger?
No one, no one lost a cent. The lenders do their own due diligence as they no doubt did in this case. Extended the loan. It was paid back in full on time. You don't penalize someone $385 million when there is no victim.

I would think surely anyone would see the injustice in that. Let's not let hatred blind our good judgment.
 
No one, no one lost a cent. The lenders do their own due diligence as they no doubt did in this case. Extended the loan. It was paid back in full on time. You don't penalize someone $385 million when there is no victim.

I would think surely anyone would see the injustice in that. Let's not let hatred blind our good judgment.
That is correct. There was no crime, only technical violations of a statute and no one lost a penny. This will ultimately be judged as an unlawful seizure without just compensation. It is an example of Lawfare and shopping for the right court and the right judge to achieve your desired result. This case will not stand.
 
That is correct. There was no crime, only technical violations of a statute and no one lost a penny. This will ultimately be judged as an unlawful seizure without just compensation. It is an example of Lawfare and shopping for the right court and the right judge to achieve your desired result. This case will not stand.
Okay, then under your rationale Hunter Biden should not be charged with failure to file tax returns, correct? He paid the tax amount back, plus interest and penalties, in full. There was no victim, but you sure do advocate for locking him up. And I guess if someone takes a gunshot at someone else and misses, there is no crime either. There's no victim, the gunshot missed. Faulty logic. The fact that there was no victim does not excuse the crime, Trump lied to banks to obtain favorable financing. He's fortunate that its only a civil case against him and his company and not a criminal trial. Not holding him, and Hunter Biden, to account, only encourages others to commit similar acts.
 
Disagree if banks are loaning millions to DJT, that means less funds available to loan to legit business people. And because less funds, those that were granted loans likely paid a higher rata as the bank had fewer funds tp loan.
 
Disagree if banks are loaning millions to DJT, that means less funds available to loan to legit business people. And because less funds, those that were granted loans likely paid a higher rata as the bank had fewer funds tp loan.
Money is fungible. And there is an infinite supply of it available to lenders.
 
This happens to be dead center in my wheel house. Spent 39 years in the regulation of financial concerns, primarily banks. From a professional stand point, this is the most bullshit banking case I have ever seen. But for a bizarre NY state law, hatred, and over zealous state officials looking to make a name for themselves, folks in the business see this as less than a nothing burger.

Regardless of your political view, can assure you this case is pure bullshit. The judgment will most assuredly not stand.
 
This happens to be dead center in my wheel house. Spent 39 years in the regulation of financial concerns, primarily banks. From a professional stand point, this is the most bullshit banking case I have ever seen. But for a bizarre NY state law, hatred, and over zealous state officials looking to make a name for themselves, folks in the business see this as less than a nothing burger.

Regardless of your political view, can assure you this case is pure bullshit. The judgment will most assuredly not stand.
This underscores the point. Lawfare is designed to harass and destroy one's opponent.
 
This all assumes that corporations cannot be bullshitted (ever) and therefore never harm shareholders or customers by not charging appropriate risk premiums, in this case interest rates. Yes, all indications are the paybacks were made but given Trump’s record of bankruptcies and otherwise stiffing creditors, the risk taken on was not appropriately priced.
 
This all assumes that corporations cannot be bullshitted (ever) and therefore never harm shareholders or customers by not charging appropriate risk premiums, in this case interest rates. Yes, all indications are the paybacks were made but given Trump’s record of bankruptcies and otherwise stiffing creditors, the risk taken on was not appropriately priced.
The age of the non-sequitur is upon us.... if the loans were all paid off, where is the fraud?
 
Therefore “good” outcomes by any means possible justify those means. Huh. Wish I had thought of that.
 
Then you agree the Hunter Biden tax charges should be dropped, right? All of his taxes, penalty and interest were paid off, where is the fraud? Poor logic on your part.
This is simple, and also right in my wheelhouse. This country has over 100 years of precedent stating the individual is responsible for filing returns and paying taxes. Even if the taxes are paid, you will still be held criminally responsible for failure to pay and failure to file.

In Hunter's case, someone paid his taxes for him.
 
This is simple, and also right in my wheelhouse. This country has over 100 years of precedent stating the individual is responsible for filing returns and paying taxes. Even if the taxes are paid, you will still be held criminally responsible for failure to pay and failure to file.

In Hunter's case, someone paid his taxes for him.
How to do you know someone paid for him, and who cares? Do you care who posted Trump's bond on the E. Jean Carroll case where he was adjudicated to be a rapist? A crime is a crime, looks like your MAGA is showing.
 
It is not against the law for one individual to pay another's taxes. Many parents do it for their children. Many rich children do it for their less-fortunate parents.

If you don't pay your taxes and are fined by the IRS, the problem is resolved when the back taxes and fines are paid.

The Feds want a check attached to your return. They don't care where it comes from, so long as it matches the amount owed.
 
It is not against the law for one individual to pay another's taxes. Many parents do it for their children. Many rich children do it for their less-fortunate parents.

If you don't pay your taxes and are fined by the IRS, the problem is resolved when the back taxes and fines are paid.

The Feds want a check attached to your return. They don't care where it comes from, so long as it matches the amount owed.
If you have done any of these, I suggest that you consult a tax advisor, especially a seasoned tax accountant, as well as tax counsel.
 
If you have done any of these, I suggest that you consult a tax advisor, especially a seasoned tax accountant, as well as tax counsel.
Why? Anyone can pay another's taxes due without any consequences. Provided, however, if the amount paid exceeds the gift tax exclusion amount (currently $18,000 per individual for 2024) then the donor would have to file a gift tax return, which many people can do on their own or a first year accountant could easily handle. Where do you come up with this stuff?
 
If properly documented, and if gift is from mom and dad to son and daughter-in-law, you can get the benefit of 4 times annual exclusion.
 
Now Fulton County claims they made an accounting error- Fani didn’t really pay her boyfriend from a slush fund after all. They will be able to track the funds.

"Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis's office said there had been a "data entry error" in how payments had been recorded to her former boyfriend, Nathan Wade, in the Donald Trump indictment."

 
Assuming Fani used poor judgement in hiring her lover, how does that wipe out Donald's attempt to steal the GA election.
The issue is whether she and her lover committed a fraud on the court by flagrantly lying. Furthermore, she placed her interests and the interests of her lover above the interests of the case and people she represented. The litigation will not necessarily be wiped out. Instead, it will probably continue with someone more qualified handling the case.
 
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