I wonder which major program
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Kansas State apparently has a payroll greater than 5 million this season and not looked good at all.
I am putting this in the basketball context, but a similar situation exists for football.
Seems to me like the list is going to be rather long. There is only one NCAA champion, so there is going to be lots of disappointment out there if that is how “return on investment” is determined. Might be able to stretch it to the Final Four to measure “success”, but that is about it in my opinion.
There aren’t going to be many supporters that are going to simply be happy with a NCAA appearance. Then of course there is the UR yardstick, which I don’t think any other college uses….
This of course pertains to the “high $” donors. The alums that throw in lottery type money will continue to do that and that is why the large schools will win the NIL battle. It comes down to simple math. Whoever has the most donors wins. Maybe if there is some sort of cap, there might be more parity but the good ol’ days are in the rear view.
there has never been parity in college sports. NIL didn't change that.
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A part of me thinks that some subset of these mega donors just enjoy the extra access they get into the programs and "knowing" the coach and feeling that they are somehow involved with the decisions being made to some degree is return enough for their money and the winning is just a nice side-affect.
Well, that would seem to be especially true with ours, namely PQ.
oh 100% that is the case for some donors. They have tons of money and are using this money to further enjoy the status that they have input, insider access and influence, to their favorite college sports program. PQ fits into this mold. He enjoys being the kingmaker for Spider athletics.
I'm sure there are other NIL donors though that are gonna be pissed if they don't see whatever they think of as appropriate ROI for their "investment". These are the folks that coaches need to be worried about. They can turn off their spigot at any moment and the NIL gives them a chance to find other dissatisfied high dollar donors easily and organize, if they see fit.
From the looks of NIL, PQ has a pretty big stranglehold on it, but anyone can join and get access, so perhaps this open things up a bit to our insular small group of people that control our athletics to other people with money that don't see things the same way.
That is my hope, that a couple of these NIL guys, are like you know what we can do better than 55% and I'm not spending thousands of my dollars to watch us get our asses waxed on national TV.
Question, and I know this has been discussed. Can every school have multiple NIL collectives? Is this governed by the school, coach, AD? For instance, the Players Era event, says they paid out $1 million to each school's NIL collective. Which to me indicates there is one collective per school, or maybe some one determined who gets it. I would think for instance SEC schools would have multiple, b/c they may have 5, 8, 10 PQ's that all want to determine how the money is spent.
Just curious if GKiller or 97 want to start another NIL collective for Richmond if that is possible. I would suggest you reach out to the Ukrop family if you want to try this coup.
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Just curious if GKiller or 97 want to start another NIL collective for Richmond if that is possible. I would suggest you reach out to the Ukrop family if you want to try this coup.
Players Era Pays: Tourney Says It’s Transferred $8 Million in NIL Money
The new RedBird IMI-backed college basketball tourney appears to have made good on the audacious financial promise it made to its participating teams.
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I doubt the collectives have any say in how it's spent. they tell the HC or the Basketball Manager how much money is available.
I believe the HC determines how to spend it.
Already started a new NIL collective at urCAKEATERS.com
Yes, would think that is true. But, having a million dollar check in your pocket does gain some influence. But again, I would think big schools could have multiple collectives? Or is that somehow legislated?
No say at all? Of course they have some say. If an NIL group wants to pay millions to keep their QB in school instead of seeing him go pro, you better believe those millions are 100% going to him. Same with guys like Cooper Flagg and Liam McNeeley. The NIL groups paid over a million to get those guys for their schools, not to give to the coach to do what he wants with it.
sure, a big money donor could be giving UR money specifically aimed at keeping someone like Delonnie. and if they make that known, I'm sure the coach uses it as they ask. there are NIL opportunies geared towards individual players.
but the Collectives are meant as pooled dollars. those donors aren't scouting the transfer pool watching film of Jonathan Beagle. they're giving money to the coach to spend how he sees fit to advance the program.
My understanding is that the deals are between the collective and the athlete. They're the ones writing the checks, so they have ultimate say in where the money goes. Yes, they're "coordinating" with the coach/school and should have their priorities aligned, but the coaches can't even say who should get what, if any, money. That's the collective's decision to make, typically with a board overseeing spending of the pooled donations.
not sure where you've heard that, or how that would work in recruiting transfer portal kids.
I think the contract is between the collective and player no? If I run into my K State collective guy at the dump I will ask . Last time I ran into him he told me it was an issue with players signing these contracts, and then transferring before fullfilling. Even at out level, remember Noyes had to send out that tweet after he was gone .
Its and odd relationship which ever way you cut it.
. Last time I ran into him he told me it was an issue with players signing these contracts, and then transferring before fullfilling. Even at out level, remember Noyes had to send out that tweet after he was gone .Its and odd relationship which ever way you cut it.
a guy I know who's kid gets NIL said his kid has "events" to take part in, and NIL payments are spread over the year after each event requirement is met. you don't do an event, you don't get that payment. so there's no issue with a kid transferring before fullfilling requirements.I think the contract is between the collective and player no? If I run into my K State collective guy at the dump I will ask
Its and odd relationship which ever way you cut it.
events could be a soup kitchen type thing at Thanksgiving, scheduled time with kids at a Children's Hospital, corporate stuff, etc ...
Makes sense, though I think at a Big Ten or SEC school, a stud shutdown cornerback can probably say: I want mine up front.
On another note, my Big Y buddy's son is a freshman D1 basketball player, and he said he was going to get something like $3K a semester for keeping a 3.0 - or something similar. Just like anything, it's levels.
I get paid $25 per post, someone like 97 probably gets $55.
This was one of the great things about college team sports is that they would do stuff like this in community Now, they are doing it to collect a check. Seems less charitable/goodwill when you are getting paid and what are we teaching kids in college now about charitable/community work if that is the case?
Add this to the list of the things I hate about NIL and paying players through this venue. Monetizing everything is not great for a really well rounded society.
I guess 97 has a higher SRS.
Close, My FireMooney NIL pays me $50 per post. That is why I post so much. Let me talk with my peeps and see if I can get you a better rate 23. That seems low for the value you bring.
I have to pay Fan 1 a stipend for the naming rights to Fan 2.....
doing it to fulfill an obligation is better than not doing it.
maybe a guy decides he loves doing it, and then does it for life. heck, hopefully some guys making million in the NBA continue to give their time and money.
that's right and u will be cut off immediately once u hop into that portal. Or sometimes other reasons.
Collectives r winding down their money anyway. My source is West VA collective so it's not much better than K State. Two of the dumbest schools in P4 so not sure what that says about me and spider23! It will be in house soon and no gray area.
idk how it works at other schools. Not sure what SFSpidur was getting at. But at U of R I can’t imagine our Collective is doing anything besides listening to Mooney & staff once they decide they want the kid.
Edit: had to edit this, I was trying to quote SF’s post & I guess I f’d it up.
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