I only brought up the defensive aspect of Gooses game because I was told that he was a great defender. I think he is sold for sure, but suggesting he start because he may add more size just did not make a ton of sense in my opinion. I like all of URs players I just don't think its right to single people out when they lose games. Just because Blake may take the most shots on a given night does not mean he is the reason they lost. That's ridiculous, I feel like the kid plays to win when he is on the floor. All people have to do is check his resume.
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I only brought up the defensive aspect of Gooses game because I was told that he was a great defender. I think he is sold for sure, but suggesting he start because he may add more size just did not make a ton of sense in my opinion. I like all of URs players I just don't think its right to single people out when they lose games. Just because Blake may take the most shots on a given night does not mean he is the reason they lost. That's ridiculous, I feel like the kid plays to win when he is on the floor. All people have to do is check his resume.
I can’t wait for another game. This arguing over minutia reminds me of an unhappy married couple. This thread is unreadable
Goose locked up Ryan Daly at home last year. He’s a good defender, so is Blake. So, are you Blake’s uncle or a more distant relative?
No, but we can change it to Hofstra #roarwithpride...
Are you new here? Welcome to the message board. The next game will give us a whole other set of minutia to argue over. Isn't it grand?
Well here is something new to argue over
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Not surprising that Grace and Golden are adversely affecting defensive efficiency. Golden should fair well professionally in Spain where bull fighting plays well.
You have to admire VT4700's pom poms. It has to be tiring to defend CM every day.
I don't know about that, but I have been known to admire the Tech Cheerleaders.
All I do is post what I feel, which makes posting pretty easy and not tiring at all. It is the ones who have agendas that probably get exhausted having to come up with more and more negative stuff each day, especially when we are 30-9 since last year, including still in good shape at 6-2 this year, and very relevant these past 2 years. My goodness, there are 14 teams in our conference and only Dayton has a better record than we do the past 2 years. Forgive me for not being miserable about that.
Well, I think the difference is most on here have been huge fans for a lot longer, so we are not viewing Mooney through a 2 year prism, but rather the entire body of work. And the lack of big man recruits and now Weir transfer are pointing to that hole in the roster that has burned us many times. I don't remember, but I think someone established this user name was invested in a different program for a number of our down Mooney years. Anyway, we just need to pick up the intensity on D and Gilly start knocking down open 3's and we should be in good shape this season.
Its not the lack of just big man recruits, its the lack all together that allows our program to "reload" rather than "rebuild".
I would be fine with having Grace and Sal as our big man options next year if we knew we had the other positions pretty solid with guys we know can carry the load. Right now - all we got is Burton. Goose is a very good player on the current roster because he is the perfect role guy off the bench. But in his 3 years at UR - his scoring high is 13 points and he only averages 4-5 a night. Which is fine for this roster, but do you think all of sudden next season he turns into a 12-15 a night scorer? And we have no idea what we have behind Francis and Gilyard because those guys - i.e. Wilson - don't get any minutes. So are we expecting him and others to step right in and give 15 a night and handle the ball with a low turnover rate?
I have always said this about Mooney and staff - I question the ability to develop players who are not playing. His best players have been able to play as underclassment and when they become juniors and seniors - they are very very good. The experience is key in his system. There have been very few to zero guys under him who develop from a bench player for 1-2 years, then when a position opens to graduation - steps up and fills the role AND the team is successful. That is the key to limiting rebuild years.
I would be fine with having Grace and Sal as our big man options next year if we knew we had the other positions pretty solid with guys we know can carry the load. Right now - all we got is Burton. Goose is a very good player on the current roster because he is the perfect role guy off the bench. But in his 3 years at UR - his scoring high is 13 points and he only averages 4-5 a night. Which is fine for this roster, but do you think all of sudden next season he turns into a 12-15 a night scorer? And we have no idea what we have behind Francis and Gilyard because those guys - i.e. Wilson - don't get any minutes. So are we expecting him and others to step right in and give 15 a night and handle the ball with a low turnover rate?
I have always said this about Mooney and staff - I question the ability to develop players who are not playing. His best players have been able to play as underclassment and when they become juniors and seniors - they are very very good. The experience is key in his system. There have been very few to zero guys under him who develop from a bench player for 1-2 years, then when a position opens to graduation - steps up and fills the role AND the team is successful. That is the key to limiting rebuild years.
Trap - very good points about reloading vs rebuilding. Some of the same "positive" posters on here just don't think it is possible - negative points of view to me.
Sorry for the SDSU reference again, but Dutcher is 60 years old, and works tirelessly to fill in the roster spots to avoid the down years. And no, it is not transfer U - his top two producers are 4th year seniors. He just uses the transfer wire to fill in gaps, and bridge the time until the younger players are ready.
A segment of this board just feels this is impossible. If we had Weir looking promising, and signed Knight - we would be looking strong for a continuation next year, with a smaller drop off.
Sorry for the SDSU reference again, but Dutcher is 60 years old, and works tirelessly to fill in the roster spots to avoid the down years. And no, it is not transfer U - his top two producers are 4th year seniors. He just uses the transfer wire to fill in gaps, and bridge the time until the younger players are ready.
A segment of this board just feels this is impossible. If we had Weir looking promising, and signed Knight - we would be looking strong for a continuation next year, with a smaller drop off.
Having a full 13 scholarship players on roster with a plan for all 13 to be meaningful contributors in their career is something that the good coaches do every year.
This is probably the first year that Mooney has been able to do that. Heck, some years, we don't even use our full 13 scholarships.
It is pretty easy to see why we are able to have at most 2 good years and then have to rebuild. Mooney's roster management (again, up until this year) has been substandard.
This is probably the first year that Mooney has been able to do that. Heck, some years, we don't even use our full 13 scholarships.
It is pretty easy to see why we are able to have at most 2 good years and then have to rebuild. Mooney's roster management (again, up until this year) has been substandard.
Forgive me, but you have probably the biggest agenda of anyone on this board, which is to defend and deflect Mooney at every single turn.
I'm not a Mooney guy, but I give him his due when he makes good decisions, either in recruiting and/or in game management. He has lost much benefit of the doubt with me for his 8 year NCAA drought, recruiting failures, and inability to take public responsibility for this. But yet, despite that, I can come on and praise him for the season we had last year.
You get flak on here and lose respect when you always seek to defend him, even at times when it is a indefensible positions.
Even with the full complement of scholarships this year, with Nick and Andre gone we're now down to 11. Shows why it's important to fill those available slots. You only fill 11 or 12, then lose a few guys to injury or transfer during the season, and you're in a bad spot.
I get that it's uncomfortable counting on the unknowns, but we're not going to see hardly anything from the underclassmen this year with such a senior laden team trying to win.
a big part of our roster will be new freshmen next season. any team replacing as much as we replace next year will have some question marks but I'm really high on those replacement pieces. while we still have to find size, I think we have substantially more than usual shooting talent coming in, and I love a roster full of athletic shooters who can handle and pass.
a big part of our roster will be new freshmen next season. any team replacing as much as we replace next year will have some question marks but I'm really high on those replacement pieces. while we still have to find size, I think we have substantially more than usual shooting talent coming in, and I love a roster full of athletic shooters who can handle and pass.
CM should be finding those underclassmen a few mins. Come on. You know before its over Wilson will contribute when CM is forced to use him in a pinch. We will start hearing before long how good Wilson has looked in practice and CM will say he needs to find him more playing time. We have seen this before.
But, you can't give underclassmen minutes just to give them minutes. I'm excited about Wilson's future, but he's behind a couple guys in Jacob and Blake that we have to have on the floor. When and if he is ready to give those guys a break for a couple minutes, maybe he will be the guy to do it. Until then, we need our best guys out there that give our team the best chance to win. This year is not the year to play guys because we're worried about next year. And, while experience is important, even if he doesn't play much this year, that doesn't mean he can't step in next year and be a real good point guard for us. If he's good, he's good.
And, coaches don't forget to play anyone. Even if they did, they would have assistants constantly reminding them. Coaches say we need to find this guy more minutes as a compliment to the player. It lets the player know he's doing the right things that will get him on the court sooner rather than later.
And, coaches don't forget to play anyone. Even if they did, they would have assistants constantly reminding them. Coaches say we need to find this guy more minutes as a compliment to the player. It lets the player know he's doing the right things that will get him on the court sooner rather than later.
Though I get your point, your point (we're not going to see hardly anything from the underclassmen this year with such a senior laden team) actually should not be true. A supposed top 20 senior laden team SHOULD be handling most opponents much more easily than they are. Comfortable leads (and some blowouts) SHOULD leave plenty of floor time for developing youngsters. It hasn't happened thus far. In fact Mooney's collar, and leash have become tighter and shorter than one would expect for such a veteran team.
Cmon 4700, if Mooney was enforcing a tough defensive stance this season, we would have more blowouts and more chances for the freshman to play. He repeats history again and again.
Well, we've played 8 games against mostly good opponents and Wilson has played 5 or more minutes in 3 of them. We go 9 deep right now, so Wilson would be the 5th guy off the bench. What were you expecting so far? I do get your point about wanting to have big leads to get some younger guys time, and hopefully, we can have a few games where this happens, but my goodness, other teams have good players too, so you need to win the game first before worrying about by how much. Also, with the 3 point shot, big leads just aren't that safe anymore. Teams can go on a 15-2 type run in about 3 or 4 minutes these days.
Considering we finished 11th in the conference in 2019 at 6-12, I find this very hard to believe.
Sometimes you got to "find" minutes for guys to get them experience for the upcoming season. You always have to have an eye on next year. Yes - the focus is on this year, but you can't ignore looking at your bench and thinking - what we got for next season. And I agree - a guy like Wilson with Francis and Gilyard ahead of him will not get many minutes. But I don't see a reason why he can't get 8-10 minutes a night subbing for both Francis and Gilyard. It not only helps keep their minutes down a little, but also gives him experience.
And if the answer to that question is he would negatively impact the game that much in that little time - then what are we saying about next season when he will likely need to play 25+?
I was thinking same with Weir coming into this season as well. Could we get him 5-8 minutes a night? But he is no longer there.
And if the answer to that question is he would negatively impact the game that much in that little time - then what are we saying about next season when he will likely need to play 25+?
I was thinking same with Weir coming into this season as well. Could we get him 5-8 minutes a night? But he is no longer there.
I'm with you. I do hope and expect our upperclassmen to start rolling over some teams. if we get it going, we can get more guys time. that would be ideal.
those minutes are going to Goose, a guy a lot of posters want to get more time, not less.
Wilson will get better practicing against Gilyard and Francis. hopefully we can get him some game time too. he'll have a much greater opportunity next season.
we're not the first team with strong upperclassmen where freshmen had to wait to get real minutes.
Blake and Gilly played 76 of the possible 80 minutes against Hofstra (Gilly played all 40 minutes). Maybe carving out 5 minutes for Wilson and maybe only playing Gilly 37 minutes and Blake 34 minutes, giving them some breathers in there, particularly when neither has their A game, would be a way to get Wilson a few minutes.
Gilly has the longest leash in the world, much of which he has earned, but playing him all 40 minutes, without rest against others who get rest, is not allowing him to be the best Gilly he can be.
Gilly has the longest leash in the world, much of which he has earned, but playing him all 40 minutes, without rest against others who get rest, is not allowing him to be the best Gilly he can be.
some guys need less rest. some don't need any at all. I was not one of those people.
We have only played 8 games, mostly close ones, and Wilson has played 13, 5, and 5 minutes in 3 of them. He HAS gotten some time. It is not so much that he will negatively impact the game, it is that we have 2 great guards out there who need to be on the floor as much as possible. My guess is if Wilson got 8-10 minutes a night and Goose a few minutes less as a result, this board would be upset about why Goose isn't playing more.
Part of the problem is the new guys are seeing less time, when they should be gaining time as they learn the system and improve. Wilson hasn't played in our past three games. He was good enough to get 5 first-half minutes against Kentucky, but now he can't see the floor?
But we have 9 upperclassmen ahead of them. Most teams have a 7 or 8 man rotation. No reason to cut someone's minutes just to play your 10th guy in the rotation. Wilson is learning behind a couple of great ones everyday. He will get some minutes here and there, but regardless, if he is good, he will be ready to step in next year.
Yeah, I get it. Crabtree is in the mix now, which bumps them a spot further down the bench. Would just like to see a bit more game experience for the new guys, because you can't replicate that in practice. But with Gilly and Blake playing 36+ minutes a night, opportunities are virtually nil at guard. If we can figure out how to not give up huge leads, that should help.
All true SF, and and another issue the fact a 20 point lead is not safe for us or any team with more than 4 or 5 minutes left. The 3 ball allows other teams to go on quick 10 point runs, which makes it hard to be too comfortable with a big lead until real late in a game.
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