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Grant earns A10 co-POW honor

They may have no choice this year!

In all seriousness, no knock on Grant at all, obviously. We're fortunate to have him. Great week, Grant! Hope we can get a real coach in here next year to get to to the tournament.
 
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Well done Grant! Congrats on the first of many A10 player of the week awards. Your parents are going to need to add an addition to house to put all the awards. You are on your way to being one of the greatest to wear a Spider uniform.
 
gospidersgo said:
Just trying to highlight a nice achievement by Grant, plenty of opportunities to discuss the team's struggles on other threads.
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Imagine what he could do with a real coach. Looking forward to see how well Grant learns the new coach's offense, and if he's willing to learn defense. I wouldnt want a coach that doesn't preach defense :):cough cough:: Jason Williford).
 
I don't know how his highly touted younger brother is doing, but I'm sure Grant has lots of bragging rights around the Golden household this Christmas!
 
SpiderDaMan said:
at least he's playing for Butler.
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Or will be. So far 1 game, 7 minutes, 2 points, 2 rebounds...

That’s why I posted. I was checking if he had to redshirt when transferring from Pitt. But it looks like he decommitted in time.
 
Pretty sure Bryce was granted a release with the coaching change.

As for playing for butler, he’s now faced with the reality of going to a program where there’s depth in front of him. I’m guessinf he’d be seeing pretty decent minutes if he had come here.
 
MrTbone said:
Pretty sure Bryce was granted a release with the coaching change.

As for playing for butler, he’s now faced with the reality of going to a program where there’s depth in front of him. I’m guessinf he’d be seeing pretty decent minutes if he had come here.
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I don't think he ever considered coming here because he knew he would not do as well as Grant. He would have been constantly compared to him and would have always been the 2nd best Golden.
 
Oh good lord. Are you for real with this stuff? He was a higher rated recruit than Grant and signed with an ACC school, then switched to a Big East school. Grant is great and Bryce will be just as great or better. Grant did not have nearly the recruiting interest that Bryce did. That's not a guarantee of future performance, but to say he was scared of coming here because of his brother is absurd. Stop it.
 
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VT4700 said:
I don't think he ever considered coming here because he knew he would not do as well as Grant. He would have been constantly compared to him and would have always been the 2nd best Golden.
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Have to agree with EL, this strikes me as pure speculation. It’s reasonable to think he didn’t want to be in grants shadow but as mentioned, he was far more heavily recruited in part because grant had a junior year injury.

Regardless, he likely would have had more chance to play early here than at Butler I suspect. But I am also speculating.
 
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My understanding is we never rose above his second choice.
 
Imagine what accolades and attention Grant would be getting if we had a decent coach, and were winning the games we should have been winning.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
 
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keefusb said:
Imagine what accolades and attention Grant would be getting if we had a decent coach, and were winning the games we should have been winning.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
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Like pre season all A-10? Sorry, he already got that. Maybe like A-10 player of the week? Ooooppppps. Looks like he already got that too. My goodness, the guy is a sophomore and has received as many accolades as pretty much any sophomore we have ever had. He averaged 15.6 his freshman year and is averaging 19.3 now. Are we really going to get on our coach for that? So please tell us. What other accolades and attention would he be getting if we had a different coach?
 
VT4700 said:
Like pre season all A-10? Sorry, he already got that. Maybe like A-10 player of the week? Ooooppppps. Looks like he already got that too. My goodness, the guy is a sophomore and has received as many accolades as pretty much any sophomore we have ever had. He averaged 15.6 his freshman year and is averaging 19.3 now. Are we really going to get on our coach for that? So please tell us. What other accolades and attention would he be getting if we had a different coach?
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To answer the question above though, accolades from national press would be coming Grant's way, if we were not a 5-7 team who has an RPI in 300's. If we were actually winning basketball games against quality competition, Grant would be getting a lot more publicity than he gets right now.
 
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I think most here agree that Grant will go down as the best big man ever at UR. he deserves all the credit for the work he's put in to become the player he is so far, and the player he's still trying to become. but to say Mooney is hindering him in anyway is a joke. you've got plenty of legitimate ammunition to use against Mooney. we've lost some awful games this year. we won 12 last year. we haven't danced. we've lost players.

but Grant is a star who Mooney found and is developing. he chose UR over mostly Patriot League offers. everyone else missed out on something special. give credit where it's due. or don't if you can't. but like it or not, Mooney got it right with Grant and Grant's become the player he is with Mooney ... not in spite of him.
 
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spiderman said:
I think most here agree that Grant will go down as the best big man ever at UR. he deserves all the credit for the work he's put in to become the player he is so far, and the player he's still trying to become. but to say Mooney is hindering him in anyway is a joke. you've got plenty of legitimate ammunition to use against Mooney. we've lost some awful games this year. we won 12 last year. we haven't danced. we've lost players.

but Grant is a star who Mooney found and is developing. he chose UR over mostly Patriot League offers. everyone else missed out on something special. give credit where it's due. or don't if you can't. but like it or not, Mooney got it right with Grant and Grant's become the player he is with Mooney ... not in spite of him.
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I agree that there’s no need to get Mooney for Grant.

I will say however that I’m not ready to call him the big best man ever for Richmond. I think he has the potential to be, but there are still some holes in his game, the biggest being defensive.

That being said, if he continues on his trajectory, I think he could certainly be the best big man we’ve ever had.
 
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Mooney got it right with Grant and Grant's become the player he is with Mooney ... not in spite of him.
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This still doesn't change the fact that if we had won the games we were supposed to win, and only had say 2 OOC losses (very achievable given the cupcake OOC schedule we have this season), Grant would most certainly be getting more recognition, especially on a national level, than he is getting right now. We can put the responsibility for our crap record and RPI ranking squarely on CM's shoulders.

I could also differentiate between Grant's offensive and defensive development and perhaps ding Mooney and his system for Grant's defensive deficiencies, but I won't go there.

I'm not saying CM is holding Grant back or limiting his development, just saying if we were a better team with a better record and better results, he'd surely be getting more positive attention on a national level.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
 
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Keef, all good points. I was super impressed last year how Grant adjusted to being off for a year. He has kept it up this year and putting up a lot of points. I will say, when you read a lot of recruiting information, most players want to go and play against the top competition. It's a shame that Mooney is scared and will not schedule anyone. This in a year we have all been pointing to as an NCAA year since Sherod and Buck signed. All of the stuff Mooney does shoots himself in the foot. At some point you have to take the mentality that most good programs have: We will play anyone anytime, BRING IT ON!!

Mooney is so scared.
 
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spider23 said:
most players want to go and play against the top competition. It's a shame that Mooney is scared and will not schedule anyone.
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Surely Mooney understands the predicament of being .417 given how soft our OOC competition has been. Looking at the competition, Loyola-Chicago is the only team that we absolutely had no business beating. We could very well have only one loss if we beat the teams we were supposed to beat.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
 
spider23 said:
This in a year we have all been pointing to as an NCAA year since Sherod and Buck signed. All of the stuff Mooney does shoots himself in the foot. At some point you have to take the mentality that most good programs have: We will play anyone anytime, BRING IT ON!!
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Regardless of the reasons, excuses, or justifications year after year, the year we continue to point to is 2011. Not going to happen this year...again.
 
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keefusb said:
This still doesn't change the fact that if we had won the games we were supposed to win, and only had say 2 OOC losses (very achievable given the cupcake OOC schedule we have this season), Grant would most certainly be getting more recognition, especially on a national level, than he is getting right now. We can put the responsibility for our crap record and RPI ranking squarely on CM's shoulders.

I could also differentiate between Grant's offensive and defensive development and perhaps ding Mooney and his system for Grant's defensive deficiencies, but I won't go there.

I'm not saying CM is holding Grant back or limiting his development, just saying if we were a better team with a better record and better results, he'd surely be getting more positive attention on a national level.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
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I will go there with him on defense and that being a Mooney issue. Grant either has not been taught correctly or is instructed to not play tough interior defense. I personally think it is the latter because of our lack of depth of big men (which goes back to recruiting issues with Mooney).

Grant is a fantastic offensive big man. Defensively, right now, though he is below average. I know it is so much easier to see his offensive stats and what he does on that end of the floor and declare him the "best ever" but the game is played on both ends of the court.
 
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SpiderGuy said:
Regardless of the reasons, excuses, or justifications year after year, the year we continue to point to is 2011. Not going to happen this year...again.
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But, but, but, NEXT YEAR'S class is the best ever at UR.

Mr. AD, please remember that I told you this when we have our end of year meeting to determine my employment status. :D:D
 
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keefusb said:
This still doesn't change the fact that if we had won the games we were supposed to win, and only had say 2 OOC losses (very achievable given the cupcake OOC schedule we have this season), Grant would most certainly be getting more recognition, especially on a national level, than he is getting right now. We can put the responsibility for our crap record and RPI ranking squarely on CM's shoulders.

I could also differentiate between Grant's offensive and defensive development and perhaps ding Mooney and his system for Grant's defensive deficiencies, but I won't go there.

I'm not saying CM is holding Grant back or limiting his development, just saying if we were a better team with a better record and better results, he'd surely be getting more positive attention on a national level.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
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So, if we were 10-2 with a ranking in maybe the low 100s, where exactly would this extra recognition for Grant be coming from? Would ESPN be coming to Richmond to do a piece on him? Would he be on all American lists instead of all A-10?

Look at the 40+ scorers averaging over 20 a game. Most are getting little or no recognition, and I would bet few people nationally have even heard of a lot of them. And why are you worried about RPI when that is no longer used? No reason to make your agenda so obvious. Like others have said, there are other things to complain about without going here.
 
VT4700 said:
And why are you worried about RPI when that is no longer used?
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It may not be used by the committee as a selection metric, but it certainly is still used informally as a gauge to measure where a team is versus the competition. You used it yourself in your post to make your point.

To answer your question, if we were better perhaps Grant would be considered for a Naismith Award, Wooden Ward, AP Award, or perhaps one of the position-specific awards like the Karl Malone or Jabbar awards. Because we are bad, he continues to play at an All-American level without the national recognition.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
 
VT4700 said:
So, if we were 10-2 with a ranking in maybe the low 100s, where exactly would this extra recognition for Grant be coming from? Would ESPN be coming to Richmond to do a piece on him? Would he be on all American lists instead of all A-10?

Look at the 40+ scorers averaging over 20 a game. Most are getting little or no recognition, and I would bet few people nationally have even heard of a lot of them. And why are you worried about RPI when that is no longer used? No reason to make your agenda so obvious. Like others have said, there are other things to complain about without going here.
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You are correct, if we were 10-2 with the cupcake schedule that Mooney developed this year, our RPI/NET/Kenpom ranking would still be pretty bad, probably in low 100's given how bad of a schedule it was.

Now, had Mooney scheduled a challenging OOC designed to position the program to compete for an NCAA bid (not bad his pathetic win total) and we were 10-2, our NET would probably be in the Top 50 and our program would be getting a lot of national buzz. VCU's net is 56 and they are 8-4 right now with a couple nice wins. Only took Rhoades one year to make VCU relevant again, but I digress.

Alas, we are 5-7 and it is not pretty bad, it is horrendous and embarrassing. Our NET ranking is currently 229, and that is the ranking system used by the NCAA now. From a national perspective, Grant is putting up big numbers on a bad team for a bad program going no where this year.
 
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