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Honestly, no matter how well you know someone, you never know everything about that person. (Not you in particular, but "you" as in all of us.) I refuse to be surprised about any news I hear about anyone anymore, because people are people and pretty much everyone is capable of anything. I don't think it's a crime for him to be looking at naked pictures of of-age women (assuming that was the case), but time and place, man. That's pretty unprofessional to be looking at them and sharing them within sight of others while you're on the clock.

As they say, it's tough to underestimate the stupidity of the American public, and in this case, of people who should know better.
 
What concerns me is the other issue he was supposedly involved in that was investigated and closed, and the fact that the guy who complained about the picture was "reorg'ed" out of his job. If that "reorg" is found to be anything like retaliation, there are going to be more people than Ellis who will be called on the carpet, perhaps all the way up to the UM president.
 
Yeah, exactly. It is sort of mind-boggling how people assume (I guess) that they can do stupid stuff and get away with it. I really don't care if someone is looking at naked pictures or having an affair or any of that stuff, but don't be an idiot and don't involve other people or let your own behavior negatively impact others who are not willing participants.
 
agree, if everyone who had porn on their phone or computer were fired, there would be an enormous number of openings around the country. also agree, there is a time and place for everything and one should use common sense and courtesy. however, if you fire an underling for not liking the porn you are showing him or her, then you need to go, not that person, just very wrong. still have to think that these two at unc and rpi were up to their necks in the same trash.
 
I think that the thing that many fail to understand is that when you are in the public eye, paid your salary from taxpayer dollars, etc., you will be held to a high standard of behavior. People in positions of power must get intoxicated by that power to the point where they are simply in denial about the possible negative consequences of their own boorish behavior.

The other point that people tend to miss is that freedom of speech, freedom of expression, right to bear arms, freedom to look at non-child porn, etc. are legal rights that protect you from going to jail, but don't necessarily protect you from termination from your job.

Frat boys will be frat boys, I suppose...
 
Ellis and Norwood were two peas in a pod. They did not start these situations when they got to Minn. its been old news in the Fan for a long time.
 
You're judged by the company you keep. And they say you are the average of the three people closest to you. So while (for now) it seems as if Ellis didn't do anything as serious as what Teague did, I'd say they must have had some things in common to work together so long at two different spots. It's not like this should be a total shock. They definitely seemed to get power-hungry and oblivious to the realities of their situations.
 
Was talking about it today, how some people in visible, or important positions, begin to believe the rules don't apply to them
 
If you listened to Norwood's radio show for longer than 15 minutes, his egotism was pretty apparent/transparent. It was also pretty evident from his show that there was an awful lot of back patting, self-congratulatory, "we are completely awesome" behavior going on in their athletic program, which was coupled with a win at all costs mentality. When that type of thinking pervades an organization, the downfall might not be swift, but assuredly will happen at some point.

I know this is all reflecting bad at Minnesota, not sure why it hasn't picked up steam at least locally here in Richmond. These guys were not just doing this at UM, they were also doing here, but I guess the higher's up at VCU, were either too obtuse or maybe they just chose to look the other way.
 
IF this sort of thing was going on at VCU, and efforts were made to sweep it under the rug, then I can understand why this issue hasn't picked up much steam in RIC. Too many people with too much to lose keeping the lid on things. Could come back to haunt them if individuals here in town started coming forward with stories and/or accusations.

Again, I feel really bad for Mike Ellis's family...
 
It defintely took place here in RVA. Ellis's rep is worse that NT. I was surprised at NT but not with Ellis.
 
Why are Teague and Ellis receiving so much attention from this board? All this fuss seems to boil down to nothing more than an opportunity for the VCU haters here to express their schadenfreude, and nothing more.
 
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Why are Teague and Ellis receiving so much attention from this board? All this fuss seems to boil down to nothing more than an opportunity for the VCU haters here to express their schaenfreude, and nothing more.
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well said.
 
its not like this is only in the papers or in discussion in MN and VA, this is a national story and thus merits our attention since both guys resided in richmond. we had a huge dose of these guys on the local radio and did not like it much, so, yes, payback and nothing wrong with that. just don't read any threads with their names on it if turned off by it, pretty simple.
 
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its not like this is only in the papers or in discussion in MN and VA, this is a national story and thus merits our attention since both guys resided in richmond. we had a huge dose of these guys on the local radio and did not like it much, so, yes, payback and nothing wrong with that. just don't read any threads with their names on it if turned off by it, pretty simple.
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Spinner, you are right. Quite frankly, from the time when VCU was Richmond Professional Institute, it has been a pretty lowly place to be. I knew at least two female RPI students who were raped on the campus in the 60's. Another acquaintance was taken advantage of by a VCU professor. An acquaintance played baseball at VCU, but sent his two children to William and Mary and the University of Virginia, thus abandoning his alma mater. I honestly feel sorry for those for academic or financial reasons must send their children to VCU.
 
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Spinner, you are right. Quite frankly, from the time when VCU was Richmond Professional Institute, it has been a pretty lowly place to be. I knew at least two female RPI students who were raped on the campus in the 60's. Another acquaintance was taken advantage of by a VCU professor..
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Spinner, you are right. Quite frankly, from the time when VCU was Richmond Professional Institute, it has been a pretty lowly place to be. I knew at least two female RPI students who were raped on the campus in the 60's. Another acquaintance was taken advantage of by a VCU professor. An acquaintance played baseball at VCU, but sent his two children to William and Mary and the University of Virginia, thus abandoning his alma mater. I honestly feel sorry for those for academic or financial reasons must send their children to VCU.
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So the murders at UVA don't bother you or your acquaintance?....Three in the last 6 years, to-wit: Hannah Graham, Yeardley Love and Morgan Harrington.
 
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iSpider, unfortunately people are murdered on or near VCU every year.
http://rvanews.com/news/richmond-homicides-2014/107260
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If I were the parent of a high school student considering UR, but wanting my child to go elsewhere, I might well post the same url that you posted. Statistics for the City are not really relevant to a campus situated therein, and it's not fair to ascribe a murder rate to school just because they are located in an urban area. If you applied the same criteria, one might eliminate from consideration such institutions as NYU, Fordham, Harvard and MIT.

Crimes in Cambridge, MA
Cambridge, MA Crime Rates
Crimes in New York City (NYU is in the 6th precinct and Fordham is in the 52nd precinct.)
 
Ulla, I take great joy in kicking a can or two at VCU foibles on the court and in their athletic program, but sometimes I think you go just a tad to far in the indictment of the entire university. There are many fine people at VCU, they offer many quality degree programs and yes while their inner city campus has more crime than UR, it is far from an unsafe place.
 
97, I will state again that his brother received a masters from VCU and has retired from Clemson as a distinguished professor. He has yet to acknowledge or disagree. I think I am on his ignore list.
 
when these discussions are going on, have to chuckle at the story my son relates of his high school mates who attended rpi and told him they carried two wallets, one with the good things and one to give to the mugger(s). not a fable, true story.
 
I only stated the truth. From my small circle of friends at rpi, two girls were raped. Another girl, who at the time was a freshman at rpi, was taken advantage of by an rpi professor. Just the facts.
 
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I only stated the truth. From my small circle of friends at rpi, two girls were raped. Another girl, who at the time was a freshman at rpi, was taken advantage of by an rpi professor. Just the facts.
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What about your bro that received a degree at VCU? Must have been OK for him.
 
I guess it's futile to even attempt to get some people to take an objective perspective on some matters.
Haters gonna hate.
 
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I guess it's futile to even attempt to get some people to take an objective perspective on some matters.
Haters gonna hate.
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iSpider, don't know your background. Your reasoning is simple and a bit contorted. I made a statement of facts. I feel sorry for you.
 
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when these discussions are going on, have to chuckle at the story my son relates of his high school mates who attended rpi and told him they carried two wallets, one with the good things and one to give to the mugger(s). not a fable, true story.
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If anyone on this board believes this, please contact me at once because I have two lots in the Dismal Swamp that I would like to sell you.
 
Sir Walter Scott's quote: "O what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."
 
This can be exhibit A of why a lot of good posters have left on the recent past.
 
will admit that i did not believe my son's story either, thought it was a joke, until one of his buds who attended rpi said that indeed, he did carry two wallets when he ventured forth from his apt on campus. have no reason to lie or exaggerate for any reason at all. not sure what your deal is i but you cannot accept anything other than the parameters of your small, limited, world. that is OK but don't call others out as liars when you don't understand something.
 
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This can be exhibit A of why a lot of good posters have left on the recent past.
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Correct you are. Look, there are plenty of things to bash VCU about, but suggesting that you are likely to be murdered or raped if you venture downtown onto the VCU campus is laughable. Spinner's example was more anecdotal, which is fine.

On a personal note, I spend a decent amount of time in and around downtown within earshot of VCU and have never been robbed, shot, raped or murdered yet!
 
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Eight, thank you for not utilizing big words, in the future, when describing the lies i spread on this board. the fan is a great place, as is downtown, but both have a bad rep for violence. we all tend to generalize in these matters but does not mean not some truth to the matter.
 
I don't think the fan or downtown has a bad rep for violence anymore. There are certain areas of the City that are still violence prone and they are places where probably most of us never go on any type of regular basis, because there is nothing there but abject poverty. Those areas are mainly on the east end of the city. VCU's campus is pretty darn safe.
 
Zzzzzzzz. Why are we talking about the asst athletic director of MN? So irrelevant to spider bball...must....move...on.
 
Like Spinner said, this is a national story that has close connections to many of us. In my case I know ME personally, and I think the story is as sad as it is sorry. Definitely has relevance to basketball in RVA, Teague and Ellis presided over the most successful period in Lambs hoops history, a period of time where they pretty much owned us on the court, and created a national profile for their program.

Plus, my wife is a VCU alum, I spent a LOT of time in and around Franklin Street during what was arguably one of the worst periods for violent crime in the City's history, and never felt unsafe on campus. There were lots of neighborhoods close to VCU that were terrible areas, you just didn't go there at night. And even though my hatred of all things VCU runs very deep, I did take several summer classes there that counted towards my U of R Bachelor of Science in Chemistry degree.
 
maybe since i departed the river city, things have changed but my wife had a friend killed in the fan and a friend sexually assaulted. the perception was at all times i lived in richmond that the fan was not a place to be after dark. again, love the fan and hope it is much better but was not when i departed a few years ago. when you experience, know people personally who were killed and attacked, makes it more real than just reading stats.
 
I think the carrying-two-wallets thing is actually a good idea anytime you're in a place you're unfamiliar with or that has the potential for some pick-pocket activity. But in general, the rules around town are pretty much the same as they would be in any city: the later it gets, the more dangerous certain areas become, especially if you are alone, drunk or unfamiliar with your surroundings. But I wouldn't be afraid to go to the Fan at night.
 
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