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[MolivaManiac]

My suspicion is that there is some "horse trading" going on this weekend. A problem is that Mooney has less than 4 years remaining on his contract, which he and others feel is important to recruiting. For that reason, just saying nothing is untenable.

My gut tells me they might work on something that allows Mooney to tell recruits that he has 4 years left on his deal but substantially reduces the buyout. If they come to agreeable terms, next year is the 'all in' year. Heck, 2021 might be another 'all in' year too. If they cannot figure something out, all bets are off.

If Mooney is coming back, there needs to be a statement of support from the administration, fury from some of us be damned. We are flapping in the breeze a bit here.

 

[Wood Hall]

Let's hope they are working out a lump-sum settlement agreement.

Nate Oats just signed a five-year extension at Buffalo. Doesn't mean he can't break it, but the cost for anyone to get him probably just went up significantly.

Watching UB-CMU now in the MAC semifinals. The Bulls play exciting basketball, and they are playing hard, even though they have no real reason to do so because they are a lock for an NCAA bid.

 

[keefusb]

My gut tells me they might work on something that allows Mooney to tell recruits that he has 4 years left on his deal but substantially reduces the buyout.

If that actually happens, it really only potentially buys CM one or perhaps two years of ostensible progress. His already crappy recruiting will likely nosedive in the final two years when he doesn't have a 4 year commitment from the university. The likely outcome will be one or two mediocre seasons followed by two terrible seasons because no one will commit to CM knowing he is on the slow train out of town.

Hardt just needs to rip off the bandaid on Monday, and move forward with life. Otherwise, he is just kicking the can down the road until he retires and won't give a sh!t anyway. If that happens he is no better than Mooney in that he is simply collecting a paycheck without actually doing anything to earn it.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing

 

[MolivaManiac]

If that actually happens, it really only potentially buys CM one or perhaps two years of ostensible progress. His already crappy recruiting will likely nosedive in the final two years when he doesn't have a 4 year commitment from the university. The likely outcome will be one or two mediocre seasons followed by two terrible seasons because no one will commit to CM knowing he is on the slow train out of town.

Hardt just needs to rip off the bandaid on Monday, and move forward with life. Otherwise, he is just kicking the can down the road until he retires and won't give a sh!t anyway. If that happens he is no better than Mooney in that he is simply collecting a paycheck without actually doing anything to earn it.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing

FWIW, I completely agree. Just telling you what I expect will happen. Hope my expectations are exceeded.

 

[keefusb]

The best possible outcome of a "horse trading" meeting over the weekend would be a mutual agreement to part ways. I frankly don't care about the financial details as much as I do seeing the door hit Mooney's Franco's-ensconced ass on his way out of the RC.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing

 

[97spiderfan]

My suspicion is that there is some "horse trading" going on this weekend. A problem is that Mooney has less than 4 years remaining on his contract, which he and others feel is important to recruiting. For that reason, just saying nothing is untenable.

My gut tells me they might work on something that allows Mooney to tell recruits that he has 4 years left on his deal but substantially reduces the buyout. If they come to agreeable terms, next year is the 'all in' year. Heck, 2021 might be another 'all in' year too. If they cannot figure something out, all bets are off.

If Mooney is coming back, there needs to be a statement of support from the administration, fury from some of us be damned. We are flapping in the breeze a bit here.

Mooney couldn't recruit with 10 years left on his contract. But yeah, I'm bracing for a big let down here. We caught a whole bunch of fans who are content with what we are, which simply is amazing to me. I've never seen a fanbase just accept being mediocre (and we are just plain bad now).

I grew up a Philly fan, Mooney would have been run out of town about 4 years ago up there and here we are on Year 8 with our thumbs up our *sses debating this god awful situation. Truly disappointing.

 

[urfan1]

Let's hope they are working out a lump-sum settlement agreement.

Nate Oats just signed a five-year extension at Buffalo. Doesn't mean he can't break it, but the cost for anyone to get him probably just went up significantly.

Watching UB-CMU now in the MAC semifinals. The Bulls play exciting basketball, and they are playing hard, even though they have no real reason to do so because they are a lock for an NCAA bid.

Pride, and tourney placement

 

[WebSpinner]

Rick, you are correct, when we fired goetz, we got DT but that was just luck, happened at a time where we had to have someone and it just turned out to be a great guy but nobody knew that, even Chuck Boone who made him an "interim" coach not the permanent head coach. one can be wrong in hiring, happens all the time and you can also be right or lucky but the point is an athletic director has to make personnel decisions and he or she will be right or maybe wrong but sometimes there just has to be action no matter how it turns out.

 

[Wood Hall]

Phil Martelli has three losing seasons (13-18, 11-20, 14-19), and one .500 year, in his last five seasons. He's three years removed from his last good season. He coaches in Philly, and still has a job. So apparently someone there has some brotherly love.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Phil Martelli has three losing seasons (13-18, 11-20, 14-19), and one .500 year, in his last five seasons. He's three years removed from his last good season. He coaches in Philly, and still has a job. So apparently someone there has some brotherly love.

Also an Atlantic 10 Championship and a win in the NCAA tourney.
Two Atlantic 10 titles in the last six years.

 

[Wood Hall]

The post I'm alluding to mentioned a four-year window. Martelli has been ineffective for three years in a row, and four of the last five.

 

[MrTbone]

I ain’t worried about nothing.All the girlie boyz got severe wedgies.

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Hey, it’s the 4’11” guy again. Keep on posting 4-11!

 

[MrTbone]

if we let him walk back then and instead hired a coach from like Canisius for $300,000 per the fans would have lost their shit. "we're not committed to winning". "we might as well move to the Patriot League".

He made the smart bet at the time. Trajectory seemed right and folks would have largely revolted if we didn’t try to keep him.

There were two potentially good outcomes and one dreadful one. We just ended up with her unlikely dreadful one. CM should have at least backed into an ncaa bid by accident by now.

 

[urmite]

Phil Martelli has three losing seasons (13-18, 11-20, 14-19), and one .500 year, in his last five seasons. He's three years removed from his last good season. He coaches in Philly, and still has a job. So apparently someone there has some brotherly love.

On the A-10 board it was posted that GW has more conference wins last 3 seasons that SJU?

 

[SpiderRick]

Rick, you are correct, when we fired goetz, we got DT but that was just luck, happened at a time where we had to have someone and it just turned out to be a great guy but nobody knew that, even Chuck Boone who made him an "interim" coach not the permanent head coach. one can be wrong in hiring, happens all the time and you can also be right or lucky but the point is an athletic director has to make personnel decisions and he or she will be right or maybe wrong but sometimes there just has to be action no matter how it turns out.

Maybe just maybe we get lucky again............

 

[WebSpinner]

well, you do all the work and look for the individual who you think can do the job which does not mean you actually get that guy or just a guy who says he can do it and you believe him. rather be lucky than good.

 

[iSpider]

well, you do all the work and look for the individual who you think can do the job which does not mean you actually get that guy or just a guy who says he can do it and you believe him. rather be lucky than good.

Much better to approach things in a professional manner than just leave things to chance. Pretty sure that the odds of landing a successful candidate are much better when dotting all the "i"s and crossing all the "t"s and when things are thought out and all the known factors are taken into consideration. If Tarrant's hiring teaches anything it is that those at a lower level can succeed when given the chance. That variable is but one of many which should be given consideration.

 

[spider23]

I, agree with resources today the AD office should have already been able to do a review if about 400-500 D1 head and assistant coaches as well as sine lower level college coaches. No guarantees but they should have a list of about 20 guys targetting. Having a mediocre team led by a bland, boring coach is such a huge miss for the university.

 

[Eight Legger]

The Davidson grad who led Swarthmore to the D3 title game seems like an interesting possibility too.

 

[WebSpinner]

there are probably many good coaches out there, many we don't know about and whomever we get, when we do, we all will think it is a good hire. unfortunately, big difference in making a "good hire" and actually getting a good coach. it is a tough job and one can do all the work, listen to consultants and other coaches but the guy has to do the job once here and we all know, no guarantees no matter how good we think the hire is. used to speak with Chuck Boone all the time about coaching hires and he made some good ones, some lucky ones and some which did not work out, all part of the deal but it is a very, very, tough job.

 

[Eight Legger]

No argument. But the idea that we shouldn't try or that we are risking giving up something great with Mooney is crazy talk. We have something very average. I believe it's not hard for us to do better than average, and we should try.

 

[VT4700]

On the A-10 board it was posted that GW has more conference wins last 3 seasons that SJU?

Who is doing that math? SJU won 13,10, and 6 conference games the last 3 years. GW won 11,7, and 4.

 

[urmite]

Who is doing that math? SJU won 13,10, and 6 conference games the last 3 years. GW won 11,7, and 4.

What happened to 2016-2017? Seasons over. Someone was comparing Phil Martelli during the time Maurice Joseph was coaching GW.
SJU 4, 10, 6
GW 10, 7, 4

 

[97spiderfan]

there are probably many good coaches out there, many we don't know about and whomever we get, when we do, we all will think it is a good hire. unfortunately, big difference in making a "good hire" and actually getting a good coach. it is a tough job and one can do all the work, listen to consultants and other coaches but the guy has to do the job once here and we all know, no guarantees no matter how good we think the hire is. used to speak with Chuck Boone all the time about coaching hires and he made some good ones, some lucky ones and some which did not work out, all part of the deal but it is a very, very, tough job.

I hope Hardt doesn't think like this. I hope he thinks, I am a really smart man and have surrounded myself with smart people and I am going to be a really good hire for this program.