In retrospect, probably a bad deal for everyone involved to get a 1-year transfer on an uncompetitive team in a deep rebuilding phase
Burn the Shirts
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Mooney is well positioned for extension. Picked very low in A10 preseason & a terrible ooc showing. Exceed a10 expectations with a top half finish & winning record, get some COY votes and we’ll have to reward that performance. Also u need 5 years for recruiting purposes plus he’s married with children and possibly nicer than your average nice guy.
True. I'm sure Mooney and staff thought they were going to run it back like last year, so it made sense when we signed him.
However, now a month into the season, clearly we are not running it back and one would hope that means coaching staff is re-evaluating the purpose of this year, which should be rebuilding and playing our young guys, versus 1 year rental players.
Obviously, this sucks for a player like Dusan but I guess he is getting his NIL check to play here and the reality is we owe him nothing other than the money we said we would pay him. Goes back to the premise of the thread, we need to burn these redshirts sooner rather than later and start seeing what we have and hopefully building towards next year.
My thing with AP is that he plays like a raw freshman, but is in fact a junior. He's more athletic than I anticipated, and really does rebound well and has good vision. But his decision-making is abysmal, as is his shot selection.
Dusan adds very little on either end.
GW3 can't get on the court, and that's a horrific sign of his abilities, given our offensive struggles.
Beagle plays soft.
We did see it coming, but we replaced athletic, defensive-minded and defensive-versatile players with a bunch of "fluid" shooters. Which is a dicey proposition to begin with, but becomes disastrous when the shooters can't actually shoot well.
Dusan adds very little on either end.
GW3 can't get on the court, and that's a horrific sign of his abilities, given our offensive struggles.
Beagle plays soft.
We did see it coming, but we replaced athletic, defensive-minded and defensive-versatile players with a bunch of "fluid" shooters. Which is a dicey proposition to begin with, but becomes disastrous when the shooters can't actually shoot well.
Yep. I hear you. I don't think it was intentional to replace defensive minded athletes for shooters. In a perfect world, we would have landed our top 5 guys from the portal. But, it took awhile to get all 5, and we contacted numerous others.
Beagle was early April.
Dusan late April.
So, into May, we still had 3 spots left. I'm sure we wanted some defensive, athletic guys, with a couple of our spots, but just didn't land them.
Then, the 2nd week in May we added GW3 and AP, and White was out final add late May. We didn't have much to go on with AP and GW3 except high school tape, which was good enough to land them at UCONN and Michigan, and at the time, most on here were thrilled with the additions. It just hasn't work out portal wise this year.
Beagle was early April.
Dusan late April.
So, into May, we still had 3 spots left. I'm sure we wanted some defensive, athletic guys, with a couple of our spots, but just didn't land them.
Then, the 2nd week in May we added GW3 and AP, and White was out final add late May. We didn't have much to go on with AP and GW3 except high school tape, which was good enough to land them at UCONN and Michigan, and at the time, most on here were thrilled with the additions. It just hasn't work out portal wise this year.
I’m still not sure what we’ve got with White. Has he truly played a game at full health?
He played 26, 18, and 19 minutes against Marist, Charlotte, and Bucknell, and scored 5, 0, and 0 points, going a combined 1-9 from the field ( 1-7 from 3). Oh, and GW3 is buried behind that production also.
The Noyes factor made this thread jump over to the Belmont one and I am trying to bring it back here.
I agree with others that you can’t make broad assumptions about how these 2 guys will fare because of how others turned out. I don’t follow recruiting closely, but the impression I have gotten is that UR fares pretty well when they are able to get the early HS signees. When they sign players late, it is usually bad. So I am holding out hope for now that the latest signees are quality pieces for the team as it seems to me that UR is landing more early targets.
In terms of portal magic, I have zero confidence that this is something that will become a CM strength. We know he has a preference for multi-year guys, which I actually like for some degree of team continuity, but expecting such guys to have A10 contention impact in year one is folly. Players have to adapt to Mooney, not the other way around.
I agree with others that you can’t make broad assumptions about how these 2 guys will fare because of how others turned out. I don’t follow recruiting closely, but the impression I have gotten is that UR fares pretty well when they are able to get the early HS signees. When they sign players late, it is usually bad. So I am holding out hope for now that the latest signees are quality pieces for the team as it seems to me that UR is landing more early targets.
In terms of portal magic, I have zero confidence that this is something that will become a CM strength. We know he has a preference for multi-year guys, which I actually like for some degree of team continuity, but expecting such guys to have A10 contention impact in year one is folly. Players have to adapt to Mooney, not the other way around.
Unfortunately I think we’ve had several early signees who have also failed to pan out, so I don’t know that it has much to do with timeframe, although that was certainly a past problem.
@kneepadmckinney posted this in the Belmont thread about burning the shirts:
I agree and I put myself in either of the freshmen’s shoes, I would say why do I want to lose a year of playing in this mess.
Not saying that the recruiting has been strong, but there definitely have been plenty of reaches of late that didn’t even come close to meeting expectations.
One possibility: the players ahead of you are so poor that by playing you greatly increase your chances of securing starter minutes next year.
Well, maybe you would say that, but no way would competitive college players feel that way. If they did, we wouldn’t want them here.
Agree with 4700 on this one, we want guys that want to be on the court and make an impact right away. Guys like Gonzo, Smitty, Burton, Gilly, etc that have that mindset.
I totally agree w everything about this IF it was someone other than Mooney in charge. Giving CM two rebuilding years and Believing he will develop the young guys and get a team nationally competitive in years 3 and 4 is believing it will snow in Aruba this Christmas. He lacks the ability and determination to make something like that happen and it gives him a free pass for two more years to coach stress free.
Another detrimental factor to this strategy is that if the freshman excel and improve, there is a good chance they leave for a bigger program thru the portal.
Its probably portal or nothing fir mid majors in this new environment.
Basically the there should be no redshirts camp. I get it, but that is exactly the problem. Mooney can’t land enough of that type of player in a single year. He can get 1-2. So this time he is trying to aggregate players together and that meant getting 2 to redshirt this year. Is the plan going to work? All I know for sure is we will see because as everyone knows UR is going to give him the time try.
Thinking the portal is the answer is also fool’s gold. It might work for some coaches, but not for Mooney and not for UR. Like it or not, UR is academics first and the model it follows is closer to the Ivy League one. Admissions wants student athletes, not mercenaries. Mooney lived the Ivy model as a player and it is extending it to UR. One year rentals don’t fit the profile. Yes Jordan King is the exception, a one of a kind find and there had to be 5 years of eligibility for someone like him to exist.
The freshmen were sold on a vision and decided to take it. Mooney isn’t going to throw in the towel on his new plan and if I bought in I don’t think I would easily switch gears either.
The active players we have are what we are going to see and we have to hope that we see continued improvement over the season. Are the Spiders going to pick up where they left off last year? Of course not and that has always been the problem. Peaks and valleys. Welcome to the valley.
Go Spiders!
If we were 8-1 and a top 100 team right now I'd agree.
But this season has started so poorly that I don't think anything should be off the table right now (though I'm not naive enough to think Mooney feels the same).
Harder questions seem to get questioned and answered in St. Louis - realizing they have an injury situation and we don't.
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