In professional sports yes. These guys aren't playing for money, they're playing for pride and the fans. Hard to have pride in what you're doing when the fans don't care enough to show up.
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In professional sports yes. These guys aren't playing for money, they're playing for pride and the fans. Hard to have pride in what you're doing when the fans don't care enough to show up.
I think they're playing to win. What sport did you play at UR, again?
OK....how about this. If the boycott results in the change needed to make UR a perennial A10 contender....that would have a positive impact on the players in the long run.
I think it’s a bit one-dimensional to expect fan absence has a significant negative correlation, particularly at the very modest level we demonstrate such displeasure.
I am sadly disappointed when we win right now. This is a horrible feeling but I firmly believe a losing season is a necessity before anyone considers a coaching change and even then, it’s no guarantee on its own.
I don’t fault anyone who feels this way nor those who demonstrate it.
I am sadly disappointed when we win right now. This is a horrible feeling but I firmly believe a losing season is a necessity before anyone considers a coaching change and even then, it’s no guarantee on its own.
I don’t fault anyone who feels this way nor those who demonstrate it.
I can tell you that losing, and losing badly is a lot worse than playing to small crowds. I'd rather win in front of 10 people than lose in front of 10,000.
Base upon that logic, then I'd ask why did they choose to come to UR and play? As you say, they're not stupid. So, they knew what the situation they were walking into and who their coach was going to be.
Well some of them had no other options. Literally.
The newcomers couldn't possibly understand the full extent of what they were getting into. We were also the only offer for some of them. Those who were not newcomers either left, or decided that staying and playing/getting their tuition paid was better than transferring and sitting out a year.
Okay, but no one is forcing them to come here and play, oh and get an education at an elite university. So we're providing an opportunity no one else is willing to do, but go ahead and throw the coach(es) who gave you that opportunity under the bus. So he/they saw enough in you to provide an opportunity to play at a D1 level, yet aren't good enough to coach you.
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Like it or not it was a different effort and approach to the Wake game. Exciting and passionate by the players and coaches.I sense a change in coaching philosophy and performance by the players, let’s hope this continues and we can continue to improve each game. First time in years we have not folded in the second half and played with poise. I will continue to go now unless we regress to the old Mooney ways!
You're disappointed when we win? Wow. I try and see your (and others) point with this, but IMO it's perversely messed up.
I respect your decision to do that, but last night was just one game against a bad team that may not win more than 8 or 10 games this entire season. I predict the Mooney regression will return again.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
I choose to congratulate our players and cheer them on. As for Wake I would say that they would beat most of the teams we have lost to, it was not like a win against a Hampton Sydney opponent and even if some may say it was we WON
Oh I agree no one is forcing them. I’m simplying pointing out that our recruiting has been really suspect, to the point that we have guys who had zero other D1 options and as such, aren’t going to regret coming to a scenario such as ours when no other scenarios existed.
I have never heard one of Mooney’s players criticize him, past or current. If you are making this argument please provide proof.
My argument is based on my own experience playing for a bad Spiders coach. Despite my feelings, I won't call that coach out, but I have some idea how the players must feel.
As for Mooney, there is no real reason or benefit for any of his players to criticize him publicly. All we have to do is look at the number of players who have left the program in the past several years.
I knew a number of guys who played for Tarrant who would only criticize him privately. Contrary to popular belief, Dick wasn't perfect.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
Yes, Tarrant's practices were brutal and some of the players had some choice comments about him, but they also like to win. One former player moved into Sports Radio in DC, and would refer to him as Dickie Tyrant. Of course that guy never played much and eventually was off the team, and my intramural B League team beat his team in the championship, with Shields and crew chiding him all game.
Agreed, winning makes a lot of tough things easier to take, and it covers a multitude of other shortcomings, just ask the guys who played for Bobby Knight, Gary Williams, Bob Huggins, or Frank Martin.
Despite all of his flaws, if CM had won more games, and taken us to more NCAA appearances, we would be more willing to put up with his BS and probably would not be having this conversation.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
Despite all of his flaws, if CM had won more games, and taken us to more NCAA appearances, we would be more willing to put up with his BS and probably would not be having this conversation.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
I have had at least two former players' parents sit in my section near me and know that in both cases, they did not love CM. I suspect that was in part a reflection of their children's relationship with him.
Broadly I think most players like and respect CM. It's a virtual certainty that it's not universal though.
Interesting that CM comes out to a press conference after being doused by a cooler of water by his players. That
says something there to me about player-coach relationship and also these players after winning one, needed an
excuse for a release.
says something there to me about player-coach relationship and also these players after winning one, needed an
excuse for a release.
It has been acknowledged many times that CM is a nice and likable guy and represents the school well. That being true, I would expect his kids to like him. Hell, I like him. The problem is that he gets paid $1.3M to put us in the NCAAs on a somewhat regular basis to offset some of that salary and garner the associated recognition for the school. That's not happening therefore the problem. I've had to terminate employment of people that I liked but weren't getting the job done. Tough thing to do but everybody was better off in the end.
I understand you anxiety k., I was a student in the mid-70s, we do need a “golden age”.
Unfortunately, some of you are shortsighted and only want the next win. On the other hand, most of us recognize the bigger picture and root cause of the problem.
At this point, as hard as it feels, I would much prefer to trade wins now for sustained long-term success later. And when you think about it, you would too. Because we ALL love the Spiders!
That said, if we were willing to make a move now, we would all be in better shape. I guarantee the support behind this team would be eye-catching. We may not win a lot, but the support would be incredible.
At this point, as hard as it feels, I would much prefer to trade wins now for sustained long-term success later. And when you think about it, you would too. Because we ALL love the Spiders!
That said, if we were willing to make a move now, we would all be in better shape. I guarantee the support behind this team would be eye-catching. We may not win a lot, but the support would be incredible.
They are getting a high quality education free in a very nice place. I'm OK with that and I'm sure they are too. Basketball isn't going to be their career unless one of them replaces Mooney and wins.
The guy is a Marine and he played for Vince Lombardi. I never expected nose wiping and hand holding from him. He always found a way to get the most out of his players...see Steve Kratzer.
I think Neil Reed would have disagreed with you on Bobby Knight. Have you seen the 30 for 30 Last Days of Knight? Very enlightening. Supporters were completely blind to his major shortcomings as a human being. The winning argument only took Knight so far, especially after committing assault on a player.
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