A J Hines wins Jerry Rice award

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Thank you,admissions.Says a lot about our recruiting abilities.Sadly,AJ would have gotten into a bunch of other CAA schools, particularly Delaware.

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20161205123701175896104

 

[MolivaManiac]

Unreal.

 

[VT_Spider]

Unreal.

Thank god that we still have a very good group of young Running backs. TBH Deontez should have gotten some votes for the freshman of the year award, at least in conference. We are going to be good at Running Back for a while but yes losing a great recruit because of admissions is pathetic.

 

[Eight Legger]

Wasn't aware of this kid. Did he commit to us but then have it pulled because of admissions, or did we never get to offer him because of grades?

Kudos to him for his accomplishment. Maybe he can follow in the footsteps of that great collegiate running back Jerry Rice and dominate the NFL one day.

 

[MolivaManiac]

Wasn't aware of this kid. Did he commit to us but then have it pulled because of admissions, or did we never get to offer him because of grades?

Kudos to him for his accomplishment. Maybe he can follow in the footsteps of that great collegiate running back Jerry Rice and dominate the NFL one day.

We offered, he verballed ... was committed until Signing Day. Then just 'didn't sign'.

 

[32counter]

We offered, he verballed ... was committed until Signing Day. Then just 'didn't sign'.

He signed with UR.We pulled his LOI.

 

[SFspidur]

He signed with UR.We pulled his LOI.

Correct.

http://www.richmondspiders.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=210678419

http://www.wilsontimes.com/stories/Hines-hitting-his-stride-at-Duquesne,75493

 

[Eight Legger]

Wonder if he will transfer somewhere after a year or two there? Also would be interesting to see what Goodall or Thompson or Collins would do during a full season in the NEC. This kid sounds like a good one, but his stats might have been a little inflated from the league he's in. Still sucks we lost him.

 

[iSpider]

Does anyone on this thread have a clue as to what his scores were? If they were borderline, I agree that this may be evidence of the lack of flexibility of our admissions office with respect to athletes. However, I doubt anyone has a clue and he may have been just as likely doomed to academic failure should he have been admitted.

I am as much a proponent as anyone on this board for relaxing standards for athletes, but I also believe that there should be some basis in fact before we condemn admissions as being unreasonable. We cannot just react as though it is presumptively unreasonable for the denial of admission to every athlete who does not get in. Such a position is totally untenable and unfair.

 

[SFspidur]

The Wilson Times article says he's doing well academically and considering a pre-med major.

 

[iSpider]

The Wilson Times article says he's doing well academically and considering a pre-med major.

I am happy for him, but that does not change the validity of my statement.

 

[Ulla1]

Looks to me that we fish from a much smaller pond for athletes, football, basketball, and other sports, than our competitors. Perhaps our coaches deserve our understanding. OSC

 

[SFspidur]

I am happy for him, but that does not change the validity of my statement.

Agreed. Our admissions department doesn't have the benefit of a time machine.

I'd hope we wouldn't have strung him along and accepted an LOI from a guy who didn't have a very good chance of making it only to deny him in late June. Maybe there was a major case of senioritis, or maybe we were very clear to him that he was borderline and needed to excel in his final semester in order to make the cut and he was still willing to take the chance.

 

[32counter]

Agreed. Our admissions department doesn't have the benefit of a time machine.

I'd hope we wouldn't have strung him along and accepted an LOI from a guy who didn't have a very good chance of making it only to deny him in late June. Maybe there was a major case of senioritis, or maybe we were very clear to him that he was borderline and needed to excel in his final semester in order to make the cut and he was still willing to take the chance.

Once we pulled the LOI it was recommended a year of prep which was opted in the negative.Knowing the integrity of our coaching staff,I'm sure that they assisted in his landing at Duquesne.

 

[MolivaManiac]

And it's not like Duquesne is Norfolk State or Radford or VCU or anything...

 

[Ulla1]

And it's not like Duquesne is Norfolk State or Radford or VCU or anything...

Yep. You got that right, Mo. OSC

 

[Eight Legger]

Yeah, Duquesne is a pretty decent school. Not other-worldly or anything, but solid. I have some close family members with grad degrees from there.

 

[Spider B]

This is unacceptable. Pathetic.

 

[WebSpinner]

the prob with taking shots when we do not know the entire story is getting it wrong. none of us, don't believe, know the deal, maybe we had a number of guys like this and all made it but him. the coaches know the deal, take chances with kids with admissions, win some, lose some. admissions makes exceptions but sometimes the kids have to do their part and when they do not, it may not be admissions' fault.

 

[32counter]

Watch #32(5-11,220) with tons of speed.4TD's on the day.

 

[United_In_Red]

It is my understanding that Mr. Hines was 10 points shy (of UR admin requirement) on the verbal part of the SAT and 1 point shy on the ACT. Admissions would not help the football program get him. There was no push from AD or other members of athletic administration to get him in. I hate that the boards have been negative during this fun playoff run, but this is just another (legitimate) gripe that DR has. Let's keep winning and I think these issues will be taken care of.

 

[3genspider]

seems the goodall Thompson duo did just fine against much tougher competition
I'm happy with the options we had/have and good all is local, love getting top quality locals.

 

[urfan1]

UIR that is the info I recall, this level of student has been admitted in the past -- just not recently

 

[iSpider]

If that information is accurate, then things need to change whether Rocco stays or leaves. If he leaves we need to continue to pressure whoever we can to change that situation.

 

[Eight Legger]

Those numbers seem pretty damn close, for sure. I am torn on this because I am on record saying that I favor lowering our standards a bit for athletes who are close, who are good people and who have demonstrated the ability to graduate from our university. That said, until such a decree occurs, we do have to have standards. If we break them every time a kid is close, we might as well not have them at all.

A better idea would be to lower them a level that reflects the above conditions and is determined to be manageable by university and athletic department officials (and coaches). Then we are not putting ourselves at the competitive disadvantage we might be currently, but we're also not turning into ODU or VCU.

 

[whampas]

Those numbers seem pretty damn close, for sure. I am torn on this because I am on record saying that I favor lowering our standards a bit for athletes who are close, who are good people and who have demonstrated the ability to graduate from our university. That said, until such a decree occurs, we do have to have standards. If we break them every time a kid is close, we might as well not have them at all.

A better idea would be to lower them a level that reflects the above conditions and is determined to be manageable by university and athletic department officials (and coaches). Then we are not putting ourselves at the competitive disadvantage we might be currently, but we're also not turning into ODU or VCU.

I say once again, how diverse is a community of over the top "smart" people? Diversity is more than the color of your skin or what country you're from.

 

[SpiderFan]

But then what is the demarcation line of those that are "close"? Is it gray, black-and-white? Hypothetically if they unofficially lower the standard to 25 points below on SAT and 2 on ACT, what if a recruit is then at 30 below and 4 below? Do you move the line again because he/she is such a gifted athlete? It's a slippery slope...

 

[whampas]

But then what is the demarcation line of those that are "close"? Is it gray, black-and-white? Hypothetically if they unofficially lower the standard to 25 points below on SAT and 2 on ACT, what if a recruit is then at 30 below and 4 below? Do you move the line again because he/she is such a gifted athlete? It's a slippery slope...

It should be done case by case. There are many other attributes that determines ones ability to succeed in life as well as school and athletics.

 

[WebSpinner]

we have to be aware that the minimum sat and act cited above is probably pretty bad. Fan is correct, you have to stop somewhere or we might be a jr college or even vdu at some point. yes, each case should be viewed individually but we are probably already doing that. to me, if a coach, any coach, brings in a possible student/athlete who is below the already low minimums, has to expect small % that he or she will be admitted. have no prob with the coach taking the chance but should not complain about it too much. UR was recruiting a young man down here, came to a camp on campus and they chose not to offer. his dad is a billionaire and generous and to me that is a much bigger recruiting mistake than trying to get one below our minimums.

 

[whampas]

we have to be aware that the minimum sat and act cited above is probably pretty bad. Fan is correct, you have to stop somewhere or we might be a jr college or even vdu at some point. yes, each case should be viewed individually but we are probably already doing that. to me, if a coach, any coach, brings in a possible student/athlete who is below the already low minimums, has to expect small % that he or she will be admitted. have no prob with the coach taking the chance but should not complain about it too much. UR was recruiting a young man down here, came to a camp on campus and they chose not to offer. his dad is a billionaire and generous and to me that is a much bigger recruiting mistake than trying to get one below our minimums.

Geez that's part of the problem. Don't offer the poor great athlete that's borderline academically. Offer the rich kid with borderline division I athletic skills so his daddy can become a donor. So much for diversity. I'm beginning to understand why we're in this mess.

 

[WebSpinner]

having rich people adds to diversity, diversity is not just race, ethnicity, religion, etc. he got a scholie at another school and yes, would love for his dad to be a contributor to my university. saying borderline academically may be a stretch if he has not met the low minimum set. borderline would be those somewhere between normal admits and those who are admitted who are above the minimum set.

 

[urfan1]

there are multiple standards reviewed when determining who to admit. if he misses on every one, don't admit him, but if he misses on one or two and exceeds on the others he deserves consideration. That would be my test.

 

[Ulla1]

Nice to see Spiders are #2 by a good margin. OSC

 

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