351. That is UR's offensive rebounding % ranking out of 353 Division I teams. UR is at 16.7%. Wyoming is rock bottom number 353 at 12.8%. UR is 352 in avg. number of offensive rebounds per game at 4.9. Wyoming is 353 at 3.9. It's not that our players can't rebound. The biggest factors are the positioning of the players when the ball is shot- seems like most of the time, there are no Spiders under the basket when an outside shot is taken. Also, our tallest player doesn't play around the basket. It's the UR style of play-not designed for offensive rebounds and put-backs. I'm looking forward someday to seeing a Spiders team with an offensive scheme that will allow for more than "one and done". Also, if we played Wyoming, what would that look like?
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I see what you did there.
Pardon my ignorance, but how is offensive rebound % calculated? Is it Our OR/Our TR? Or Our OR/(Our OR + Oppo DR)? Or something else entirely?
Bob, as has been discussed here before, the biggest "issue" in not getting offensive rebounds has nothing to do with your reasons above, but with CMs belief (probably "proven" through analytics) that it is better to forego offensive rebounding and retreat to the defensive end quickly as to prevent the other team from getting fast break points.
I feel confident that while this may be true, it is also passive, and may allow the other team to further exert their will. Passivity in college basketball is probably immeasurable but not characteristic of what i want in a team.
Form what I've read, the Team Offensive Rebounding Percentage is: Number of Offensive Rebounds divided by (Team's Offensive Rebounds + Opponent's Defensive Rebounds). So UR's is 16.7%. UR averages 4.9 offensive rebounds per game. 4.9 is 16.7% of 29.34. So the other teams are averaging 24.44 defensive rebounds per game against the Spiders. (24.44 plus 4.9 = 29.34). So, it's a measure of how well the team rebounds on the offensive boards given the total number of rebound chances. But, I'm no expert, just an interested fan.
Right: The offensive scheme of retreating causes a "one and done" offense. So, the retreat to defend, as you state, is the reason, no one is under the basket, or goes to the basket when a shot goes up.
Also 322 in Free Throw percentage. 300 in Defensive Rebounding. 267 in Defensive Efficiency. But I want us to grab that top spot in Offensive Rebounding. That is banner worthy.
It is amazing how other teams can both go after offensive boards and prevent fast breaks. Much like having a nice guy coach and a winning coach is not mutually exclusive, so it seems to be the case for offensive rebounding and getting back on defense.
Of course here at the University of Richmond, we can only have one nice thing at a time. And all you malcontents had better enjoy it.
Bingo. Also how much does the home crowd get pumped up when they see their team hustle in getting an offensive board and another chance at a basket. Also when the home crowd gives the sigh when their team let's the opponent get that second chance opportunity. Mooney's teams since the beginning of his time coaching UR has been on the wrong side in both above scenarios. Plenty of immeasurable sighs from the Robins Center fans over the years.
We did play Wyoming in Fort Meyers,a game which we lost.They had more offensive rebounds,5 to 3.
https://gowyo.com/boxscore.aspx?id=3328&path=mbball
Wow! I forgot we played them. I see the boxscore also states Wyoming had 5 second chance points. We had 4.
CM's System = prevent defense > offensive rebounds & second chance points.Bingo. Also how much does the home crowd get pumped up when they see their team hustle in getting an offensive board and another chance at a basket. Also when the home crowd gives the sigh when their team let's the opponent get that second chance opportunity. Mooney's teams since the beginning of his time coaching UR has been on the wrong side in both above scenarios. Plenty of immeasurable sighs from the Robins Center fans over the years.
in the VCU game, I felt we were trying for offensive rebounds but not securing them. and in doing so, there were multiple times we didn't get back. VCU got to the rim those times.
Buoyed by that big win against us, Wyoming proceeded to win 3 of its next 22 games and is now 5-23 with at least three games left.
I believe competing would be a better served word when discussing Mooney's team.
When you are next to last in the country in rebounding, it is not just system nor is it just lack of talent/ability. It is a combo of both. It took Mooney a long time and many years to perfect this, but I believe he has finally done it.
The man is truly remarkable at how bad he is at certain major aspects of the job duties of a Head Men's Basketball coach. Fortunately, he is acing the nice guy and good representative to the community parts of his job. So, if you average that all together, he is a solid "C" coach. Which fits right in with his 52% winning percentage the past 8 years.
I would give him a C +- I think. I do hear Hardt has him a solid B-+ and with the greatest class ever convening, thinks that will give enough wins next year to get everyone off his back so he can enjoy his retirement in peace again.
