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Noah Yates - 2018 Grad Transfer

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I hadn't seen him addressed yet on here today, but a grad transfer from Yale.

EDIT: I see now he has been extensively discussed in the transfer thread. Thread did not show up from me since I have content muted from the creator of it. My apologies but figured I'd leave this here anyway.

He's 6'6" and last year started 3 games and appeared in 28 more off the bench. Averaged 17.3 minutes and shot 46%. 68% from 2 and 38% from 3. Shot 79% from the free throw line. Averaged 2.9 rebounds, 5.4 points, and 1.2 assists. I don't know what to make of him but his stats are better than Abakah or Madrid-Andrews and pretty much better than if you were to combine both of them. May not be the stud grand transfer we were never going to get but at least has better numbers than the past 2 we've brought in.

 
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OK, now my feelings are hurt. P-dogg has me on ignore and 4700 has CoachFezz on ignore.

So if I ignore everyone, I will only see threads I started. I could have my own little "23" board, but who would I argue with. I guess lambnation and highlander would work.
 
spider23 said:
OK, now my feelings are hurt. P-dogg has me on ignore and 4700 has CoachFezz on ignore.

So if I ignore everyone, I will only see threads I started. I could have my own little "23" board, but who would I argue with. I guess lambnation and highlander would work.
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I un-ignored you after this <3
 
Noah deserves a thread. Really looking forward to next week when practice begins.
 
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i don't profess to know how good this kid, but it appears he was willing to put the work in and turn himself into a D1 hoops player. I will go on record and say if he can come close to his numbers from Yale (17mpg, 5-6 points, 38 from 3) then he will provide a piece of depth that was missing this year.
 
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Ulla1 said:
Noah deserves a thread. Really looking forward to next week when practice begins.
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Ulla, since you seem to be connected to the team and the resident "academic" on the board, can you find out from your sources, if the AD worked w/ B School to put together an MBA program for a D1 athlete? If I'm not mistaken, the MBA program is more conducive to the working world.
 
LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster said:
Ulla, since you seem to be connected to the team and the resident "academic" on the board, can you find out from your sources, if the AD worked w/ B School to put together an MBA program for a D1 athlete? If I'm not mistaken, the MBA program is more conducive to the working world.
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I know this was directed to Ulla but I don’t think the B School tailors the MBA. There’s a reasonably high degree of flexibility in the SPCS/MLA program to tailor your concentration.

I’m guessing that in either case the AD doesn’t muck around too much in areas that the Provost and/or Deans oversee.
 
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LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster said:
Ulla, since you seem to be connected to the team and the resident "academic" on the board, can you find out from your sources, if the AD worked w/ B School to put together an MBA program for a D1 athlete? If I'm not mistaken, the MBA program is more conducive to the working world.
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The AD has arranged with this kid for a bunch correspondence courses with Paul Queally to learn about the intricacies of Finance which will translate into an MBA award.
 
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A friend's son starts for one of the IVY hoop teams and played against Noah. Here are a couple quotes about Noah:

"He wasn’t one of their top players but solid"

"Skilled big in a Yale system that doesn’t feature individuals so he may be better than he played as the Yale system can be limiting for bigs"
 
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spider23 said:
OK, now my feelings are hurt. P-dogg has me on ignore and 4700 has CoachFezz on ignore.

So if I ignore everyone, I will only see threads I started. I could have my own little "23" board, but who would I argue with. I guess lambnation and highlander would work.
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I did not know XT4700 has mine on ignore. I dont think questions are too hard to answer?
Now I am to wonder how much is ignored.
 
UR80sfan said:
A friend's son starts for one of the IVY hoop teams and played against Noah. Here are a couple quotes about Noah:

"He wasn’t one of their top players but solid"

"Skilled big in a Yale system that doesn’t feature individuals so he may be better than he played as the Yale system can be limiting for bigs"
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big? at Yale maybe but 6'5" 195 is hardly a big.
 
spiderman said:
big? at Yale maybe but 6'5" 195 is hardly a big.
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This is why I was searching his old info, when he was preparing for football. 195lb last year, 210lb year before. Maybe losing weight to attempt to prepare better for basketball? What was Terry Connolly playing weight?
 
I was surprised that his 2 point % last season would have been 6th in the nation last season (too few minutes...)

Limiting factors that make it less likely to translate next season...
Last season only 25% of shots from 2... in 17 minutes a game... in the Ivy League...
 
Hey I am pleased due to fact he looks stronger offensively than ever Kwesi or JMA did. May not
be a savior for our bball program but he does look like he can add some fire power and is strong.
When we have 5 guys on the court that can shoot, we are dangerous. But how will we manage on
defense is the bigger question.
 
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CarolinaSpider said:
Hey I am pleased due to fact he looks stronger offensively than ever Kwesi or JMA did. May not
be a savior for our bball program but he does look like he can add some fire power and is strong.
When we have 5 guys on the court that can shoot, we are dangerous. But how will we manage on
defense is the bigger question.
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His stats also look much better than those guys! That is what I'm happy about. No we didn't get a grad transfer stud but at least we're trending upwards with each grad transfer. All about the little things I guess? And I'd also argue that Yale plays higher competition than the likes of Chicago State and Northeastern but that point could probably be argued to death.
 
plydogg said:
His stats also look much better than those guys! That is what I'm happy about. No we didn't get a grad transfer stud but at least we're trending upwards with each grad transfer. All about the little things I guess? And I'd also argue that Yale plays higher competition than the likes of Chicago State and Northeastern but that point could probably be argued to death.
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When your baseline is Kweisi and JMA, up is the only direction you can possibly go. I don't say that glibly either. Kweisi and JMA scored a combined 13 points in their collective years with the program.
 
97spiderfan said:
When your baseline is Kweisi and JMA, up is the only direction you can possibly go. I don't say that glibly either. Kweisi and JMA scored a combined 13 points in their collective years with the program.
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97, you must admit that both had one or two exciting defensive moments. :D
 
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Ply, I really try not to nitpick, but your attacks on even my most benign posts don't make sense. I thought Kwesi was really bad on defense - he got faked off his feat or fouled at a very very high rate I would guess. But he did give minutes. How did we trend upwards from Kwesi to JMA though. JMA hardly played at all? I do think Yates is a vast improvement, but not sure it is a trend to have one out of three?
 
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Ply, I really try not to nitpick, but your attacks on even my most benign posts don't make sense. I thought Kwesi was really bad on defense - he got faked off his feat or fouled at a very very high rate I would guess. But he did give minutes. How did we trend upwards from Kwesi to JMA though. JMA hardly played at all? I do think Yates is a vast improvement, but not sure it is a trend to have one out of three?
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I think you only need two datapoints to have a trend technically. Our graph may look like a super flatline just above the X axis with a question mark superimposed over datapoint 3.
 
According to UR article he will have two years left. Is that correct?
 
Thanks for posting Noah's video. It appears that most of us on this board will agree on one thing, and that is that he will be more of a contributor than either Kwesi or JMA. I also happen to like his academic pedigree, because I was seriously concerned that our previous 5th-year transfers might not maintain their academic eligibility after their 1st semester. It definitely looks like Noah should be able to remain eligible for however long he is here.

There are a couple of key things to know about him. First, he has been almost entirely a 3-point specialist, having shot somewhere between 70-80% of his shots from 3-point range at Yale. Second, he has some company in this regard, since 2-3 of our other recent signees have also been "stand-alone" 3-point specialists. Third, Thomas Verbinskis, one of our two remaining red-shirts, is also a 3-point specialist. Therefore we have a minimum of 4-5 NEW guys whose strength will be shooting it from 3-point range (and not creating their own shot).

This recruiting trend, and it is clearly now a solid 1-year (5-6 player) trend, suggests that we will desperately need to work on offensive schemes that require some guys to "set-up" at the 3-point line, and these guys will clearly need to get crisp passes from our other guys in order to score. Other teams have these schemes (All of the 4 NBA teams that remain in the playoffs, and Davidson, UVA, Michigan, etc.). and these schemes can clearly work very well if they are taught and executed with precision. However, this does mean that we will need to learn and teach at least one new "offensive system," beyond our current "weave" offense, or these new players are not likely to contribute in a meaningful way.

Will our coaching staff adapt to the new skill-sets of our new recruits (less athleticism and better 3-point strokes) or will they try to force square pegs into round holes? If we adapt, then we could have a stronger team with more Ws than last year. If we fail to adapt, and our history has been to stick with our current systems, then we will likely lose about as many games as before, and maybe more. I like the new recruiting approach, but only if we are prepared to adapt the offense (and defense) to the skills of our new players...

Our optimistic posters will believe that we will adapt (or that we will not have to adapt), while our more pessimistic (or is it realistic) ones will take a more cautious, "wait-and-see," attitude. I am squarely in the second group at this point.
 
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Spideroldie said:
Thanks for posting Noah's video. It appears that most of us on this board will agree on one thing, and that is that he will be more of a contributor than either Kwesi or JMA. I also happen to like his academic pedigree, because I was seriously concerned that our previous 5th-year transfers might not maintain their academic eligibility after their 1st semester. It definitely looks like Noah should be able to remain eligible for however long he is here.

There are a couple of key things to know about him. First, he has been almost entirely a 3-point specialist, having shot somewhere between 70-80% of his shots from 3-point range at Yale. Second, he has some company in this regard, since 2-3 of our other recent signees have also been "stand-alone" 3-point specialists. Third, Thomas Verbinskis, one of our two remaining red-shirts, is also a 3-point specialist. Therefore we have a minimum of 4-5 NEW guys whose strength will be shooting it from 3-point range (and not creating their own shot).

This recruiting trend, and it is clearly now a solid 1-year (5-6 player) trend, suggests that we will desperately need to work on offensive schemes that require some guys to "set-up" at the 3-point line, and these guys will clearly need to get crisp passes from our other guys in order to score. Other teams have these schemes (All of the 4 NBA teams that remain in the playoffs, and Davidson, UVA, Michigan, etc.). and these schemes can clearly work very well if they are taught and executed with precision. However, this does mean that we will need to learn and teach at least one new "offensive system," beyond our current "weave" offense, or these new players are not likely to contribute in a meaningful way.

Will our coaching staff adapt to the new skill-sets of our new recruits (less athleticism and better 3-point strokes) or will they try to force square pegs into round holes? If we adapt, then we could have a stronger team with more Ws than last year. If we fail to adapt, and our history has been to stick with our current systems, then we will likely lose about as many games as before, and maybe more. I like the new recruiting approach, but only if we are prepared to adapt the offense (and defense) to the skills of our new players...

Our optimistic posters will believe that we will adapt (or that we will not have to adapt), while our more pessimistic (or is it realistic) ones will take a more cautious, "wait-and-see," attitude. I am squarely in the second group at this point.
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Mooney's schemes have always been good for generating 3pt attempts. We were top 100 in the country in 3pt attempt rate in 11 of his 13 years here, including top 25 in 3 seasons. The problem the past few years has been that we did not have enough good 3pt shooters, and so our offense has adjusted and our 3pt attempt rate has dropped a ton.

I would argue that increasing our 3pt attempt rate would not be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole since Mooney's offense has been generating a ton of 3pt shots for a long time. This year, the highest 3pt attempt rate in the country was 42% (W+M), and Mooney's teams have topped that number twice! The recent decrease in 3pt attempts is a departure from Mooney's traditional offense, and by having more 3pt shooters we may see a return to some of the more efficient offenses of past years.
 
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According to UR article he will have two years left. Is that correct?
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I understand they have to petition for it, but I also understand they think it is a very good chance he will get it. I don't think they can petition yet.
 
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The only way, that I can see for him to have 2 years left, is if he received a medical redshirt while he was a tight end on the football team. I believe an injury kept him from playing much his first two years, thus his taking up basketball.
 
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The only way, that I can see for him to have 2 years left, is if he received a medical redshirt while he was a tight end on the football team. I believe an injury kept him from playing much his first two years, thus his taking up basketball.
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he should get the medical redshirt for his sophomore football season. played one game, blew out his elbow. his freshman season he only played JV (I didn't know there was such a thing in college).
 
fan2011 said:
Mooney's schemes have always been good for generating 3pt attempts. We were top 100 in the country in 3pt attempt rate in 11 of his 13 years here, including top 25 in 3 seasons. The problem the past few years has been that we did not have enough good 3pt shooters, and so our offense has adjusted and our 3pt attempt rate has dropped a ton.

I would argue that increasing our 3pt attempt rate would not be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole since Mooney's offense has been generating a ton of 3pt shots for a long time. This year, the highest 3pt attempt rate in the country was 42% (W+M), and Mooney's teams have topped that number twice! The recent decrease in 3pt attempts is a departure from Mooney's traditional offense, and by having more 3pt shooters we may see a return to some of the more efficient offenses of past years.
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Hitting 3's is good. Very good. But you still have to stop the other team and have guys that can move their feet and stay in front of their man on defense. And our "system" of rebounding doesn't leave a lot of margin for error when we give up second chance attempts and don't get a bunch ourselves. Losing Fore and Buck will be a challenge for our defense to say the least. But maybe our "Big 3" will stay healthy all season (fingers crossed) and not wear down and Mooney will come up with some kind of masterful zone defense or we will just outscore our opponents.
 
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Captain Anderson said:
Hitting 3's is good. Very good. But you still have to stop the other team and have guys that can move their feet and stay in front of their man on defense. And our "system" of rebounding doesn't leave a lot of margin for error when we give up second chance attempts and don't get a bunch ourselves. Losing Fore and Buck will be a challenge for our defense to say the least. But maybe our "Big 3" will stay healthy all season (fingers crossed) and not wear down and Mooney will come up with some kind of masterful zone defense or we will just outscore our opponents.
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The fact that Noah was a star in baseball, football and basketball indicates that he is a very good athlete. Maybe, just maybe, he will also turn out to be a pretty good defender in basketball as well.
 
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