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I thought we had a chance to beat URI at home, but after losing Zo, not so much. I agree with Mo n both points (1) URI may be playing the best in the A-10 right now (and we were right there), and (2) stop busting on the players, they have not quit and are playing hard.

I'm just as frustrated as anyone on here, but as long as the kids don't quit I will not quit on the kids.

BTW, who do you want CM to run out on the floor, bust a red shirt at this point, a non-scholly player? I will grant you I too place a large part of the blame on his shoulders for having 3 redshrts on a 13 man roster.
 
Please Moliva, CranstonRod (or whatever his name is) has been very adamant that Hurley is in it for the long haul and loves the beaches in RI
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- just like Shaka loves the beaches on the James River during seal training.
 
Agreed Moliva. URI is such a young team, if they make the NCAA tourney this year, there is a very good chance the team next year will be even better. I would assume Hurley sticks around for that but then it might be decision time.

Maybe URI realizes what they got and pay the big bucks like we did and VCU to keep him, and given he is able to recruit at a high level and has that connection to his HS days and his dad, I would not be surprised to see URI become a team competiting for NCAA bids each year if he stays.

Question would be - does URI want to pay Hurley that type of money and years on a contract to keep him? It worked for VCU, and not so much yet for us.
 
Originally posted by SpiderTrap:
Agreed Moliva. URI is such a young team, if they make the NCAA tourney this year, there is a very good chance the team next year will be even better. I would assume Hurley sticks around for that but then it might be decision time.

Maybe URI realizes what they got and pay the big bucks like we did and VCU to keep him, and given he is able to recruit at a high level and has that connection to his HS days and his dad, I would not be surprised to see URI become a team competiting for NCAA bids each year if he stays.

Question would be - does URI want to pay Hurley that type of money and years on a contract to keep him? It worked for VCU, and not so much yet for us.
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Rhody better hope he wins some games when he gets to the Big Dance. Their ability to up the ante is surely based on the NCAA tourney revenue share, just like it is down on Broad Street.
 
Here is what I am getting tired of:

• "Old Dominion was a much better team than we thought, and we were right there with them."

• "NC State played an incredible game and will do well in the ACC. We had a chance to win."

• "Northern Iowa is a great team and never loses at home, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "GW is a veteran team and tough at home, and we almost came back to win."

• "Nobody wins at Dayton, and they were ranked, but we almost beat them."

• "Lasalle has big guards and is very underrated, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "Rhode Island is playing like the best team in the league, and we almost won."
 
can't argue with you, 8. I didn't think we were better than URI. Pretty even. At home though, I thought that would make the difference. we'll never know but I believe things go a little better inside if we don't lose ANO early. I think we win that game with him getting his 20+ minutes.
missing him is going to hurt a lot in the close games to come, too. our interior defense is very different without him. Cline struggles, and DT/TA aren't big enough for that role. could be a tough finish to this season.
 
Originally posted by Eight Legger:
Here is what I am getting tired of:

• "Old Dominion was a much better team than we thought, and we were right there with them."

• "NC State played an incredible game and will do well in the ACC. We had a chance to win."

• "Northern Iowa is a great team and never loses at home, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "GW is a veteran team and tough at home, and we almost came back to win."

• "Nobody wins at Dayton, and they were ranked, but we almost beat them."

• "Lasalle has big guards and is very underrated, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "Rhode Island is playing like the best team in the league, and we almost won."
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I'm with you on bullet points 1, 4, 5 and 6.

And if we were able to avoid about 2 of those bullet points (and finish Wake and Northeastern), we'd we'd be on the good side of the bubble right now.
 
I have "disdain" for no one, Spidersssssssssssssssssssss. I want everyone associated with Spider basketball to do well. I just don't share your unbridled and blind enthusiasm for the "others" to which you allude.
 
Originally posted by MolivaManiac:

Originally posted by Eight Legger:
Here is what I am getting tired of:

• "Old Dominion was a much better team than we thought, and we were right there with them."

• "NC State played an incredible game and will do well in the ACC. We had a chance to win."

• "Northern Iowa is a great team and never loses at home, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "GW is a veteran team and tough at home, and we almost came back to win."

• "Nobody wins at Dayton, and they were ranked, but we almost beat them."

• "Lasalle has big guards and is very underrated, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "Rhode Island is playing like the best team in the league, and we almost won."
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I'm with you on bullet points 1, 4, 5 and 6.

And if we were able to avoid about 2 of those bullet points (and finish Wake and Northeastern), we'd we'd be on the good side of the bubble right now.
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In conference play so far the La Salle loss has hurt the most for me. I could rationalize losing to URI after ANO went down and the way the game was called. We needed that La Salle win to show we really were one of the best in the conference, and we couldn't pull it out.
 
Originally posted by fan2011: In conference play so far the La Salle loss has hurt the most for me. I could rationalize losing to URI after ANO went down and the way the game was called. We needed that La Salle win to show we really were one of the best in the conference, and we couldn't pull it out.
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I was still riding the high of the RPI win for the Lasalle game, so it bothered me less.

Wake and Northeastern were the 2 that bothered me most. And that's just because I missed the JMU game. It sucks being 5-5 in conference but i don't think any of the 5 losses were inexcusable.

Put JMU, Wake and Northeastern in the win column and we're sitting at 15-8 right now and absent a single RPI anchor.
 
Originally posted by URFan1:
I thought we had a chance to beat URI at home, but after losing Zo, not so much. I agree with Mo n both points (1) URI may be playing the best in the A-10 right now (and we were right there), and (2) stop busting on the players, they have not quit and are playing hard.

I'm just as frustrated as anyone on here, but as long as the kids don't quit I will not quit on the kids.

BTW, who do you want CM to run out on the floor, bust a red shirt at this point, a non-scholly player? I will grant you I too place a large part of the blame on his shoulders for having 3 redshrts on a 13 man roster.
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Points well said on all of this.

1. I'm not sure where the line is on "busting" on players and legitimate critiques of a player's performance. I try not to cross that line, because they are putting forth great effort, but also need to acknowledge that line is subjective to everyone. I do not find it "busting" to denote the DT cannot hit the broad side of a barn shooting the ball, when in fact he is shooting 8% from 3 land. Others may see that as busting on a player though and that is there viewpoint.

2. Do we win with Zo, well that is complete conjecture, but clearly we were in a much diminished position to win without him?

3. Redshirts, this was harped on the beginning of the year, that we were playing with fire with the amount of eligible players and quite predictably we got burnt. Now, in fairness, Paul is the only player we have on the roster who could take ANO's minutes and he tore his ACL. But to expect to go through a full college basketball season with no injuries, seems mighty optimistic.

4. My glimmer of sunshine and I agree is that our guys are not quitting and in fact putting forth great effort. That is to be commended and probably overlooked by many of us, namely myself at times.
 
What I don't get about this year is how this team never got out of the gate with a good rhythm like we all expected. Disappointing early results with 1 that could have been a win and then the JMU debacle. Pulling away from SALA and close calls with Pepp and IUPUI. Of course disaster against WF and bad NE loss.

Most opponents have frosh and transfers performing in a new system. While UR has most of their team being together 3-4 years and only player being TJ as a new piece who had a year of practice. Why then such an unorganized string of games that seemed to last the entire OOC schedule?
 
I think it is unfair to blame Mooney for the red shirt situation this year. Out of the 4 redshirts only one is a developmental redshirt. We have 2 injury redshirts and 1 transfer redshirt. Now we have 3 injured players on our roster who can't play. I know injuries are part of the game, but how many teams lose 3 players to injury? Out of our 4 freshmen, 2 had season ending injuries and got medical redshirts. Fore was our most promising freshman until the injury, I suspect we would have seen a decent amount of him had he not been injured. The team really has had a lot of tough breaks this year, injuries, close losses, it is draining.
 
I hear what you're saying 2011 and not blaming CM for the redshirting but ANO missed the one game against RI. Other than that the 8 guys expected to be the main rotation have been intact all year. Injuries happened to guys that possibly would contribute some but weren't being counted on to be playing in order for UR to have a very good season. Did PF get hurt before or after being redshirted?

This post was edited on 2/10 6:50 PM by SouthJerseySpiderFan
 
Originally posted by SouthJerseySpiderFan:
I hear what you're saying 2011 and not blaming CM for the redshirting but ANO missed the one game against RI. Other than that the 8 guys expected to be the main rotation have been intact all year. Injuries happened to guys that possibly would contribute some but weren't being counted on to be playing in order for UR to have a very good season. Did PF get hurt before or after being redshirted?

This post was edited on 2/10 6:50 PM by SouthJerseySpiderFan
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Not sure if PF got the redshirt before or after his injury. He had a lot of people in front of him.
 
Eight Legger, I agree, those two guys are way to skinny to play yet with monsters like URI and others.
 
Originally posted by Eight Legger:
Here is what I am getting tired of:

• "Old Dominion was a much better team than we thought, and we were right there with them."

• "NC State played an incredible game and will do well in the ACC. We had a chance to win."

• "Northern Iowa is a great team and never loses at home, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "GW is a veteran team and tough at home, and we almost came back to win."

• "Nobody wins at Dayton, and they were ranked, but we almost beat them."

• "Lasalle has big guards and is very underrated, and we made a great comeback and almost won."

• "Rhode Island is playing like the best team in the league, and we almost won."
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Great list & recap.

Throw in all the other things such as injuries, players that can't shoot or score, poor rebounding, lack of emphasis on rebounding, etc, etc., etc.

Another mid pack year, another mediocre season, another year probably w/out NCAA or even NIT.

When do all the explanations and reasons cease?

When do excuses & justifications stop?

When do we not accept "next year's going to be our year"?

When does next year become this year?

Where does the buck stop?
 
I think it entirely fair to blame Mooney for the redshirt situation. What I don't get is Diekvoss. Mooney knew 5 games into the season that we had 3 guys who had to redshirt either per transfer or injury. And Diekvoss played the 1 position, the 3, that everyone knew was our one glaring weak point of the year and remains one of our glaring weak points.

The only possible explanation is that Diekvoss wasn't ready but again that should be on Mooney to recruit players that are ready to play D-1 A-10 level ball.
 
Funny but with zero expectations I find myself much more relaxed. Looking forward to Wednesday and some basketball.
 
Anyone think we ll have a player score 30points in a game or 14 boards ? or 3 players over 18points in one game? or who scores more points the rest of the year, Josh Jones or Deion Taylor? keep it interesting I know Coach Mooney is trying. Coach , just keep taking your BP pills please.
 
The phys, 14 rebounds?? Maybe as a team total. I see DT scoring 30 a game from here in for the rest of the season.
 
97Spiderfan
I think it entirely fair to blame Mooney for the redshirt situation. What I don't get is Diekvoss. Mooney knew 5 games into the season that we had 3 guys who had to redshirt either per transfer or injury. And Diekvoss played the 1 position, the 3, that everyone knew was our one glaring weak point of the year and remains one of our glaring weak points.

The only possible explanation is that Diekvoss wasn't ready but again that should be on Mooney to recruit players that are ready to play D-1 A-10 level ball.

EXACTLY as you stated!

I do not think that Diekvoss isn't ready, I think it much more likely that the this issue revolves around the Coach's habit of rarely playing freshman.

Haven't seen him in live action, but one thing is clear from watching him in warm-ups - Diekvoss can shoot the ball from 3.

All recruits should be ready to contribute (at different levels of course) from day 1. If not, they should not have been signed.
 
it's not that he wasn't ready to contribute. Diekvoss is/was behind Trey, Deion and Josh whether you agree with that or not. I know Trey and Deion aren't shooters, but there are other parts to basketball that coaches value. Chandler wasn't going to get time unless you squeeze in a couple of minutes here and there. not enough to make a difference, though, and not a position that we got injured at anyway. so not sure why there's any complaint about that redshirt.
 
The thing that sucks for me is that we are a VETERAN team this year and a .500 ball club more or less. I was hoping by the time we got guys into their junior and senior years we would be competing for a league championship.

What makes it different for next year? Nothing really unless we somehow learn to win games we have a history losing with this team. Win on the road.

This is what we ended up with after our sweet sixteen run. This team is the recruiting coup from those NCAA runs.

Looking ahead, after next year, we won't have the veteran club, hard to imagine us being a top team, when we're fairly young, given Mooneys history of developing players slowly and learning the system.

Am I the only one thinking this way? Hope to be surprised and would love to be proved wrong, but hard to see the Spider glass half full right now.

Last thing I'll say is I'll continue to support the team and I like these guys, it's just been very disappointing all around.
 
nobody wants to hear wait til next year again and certainly nobody wanted to hear that in November, but despite losing one of our all time greats in my opinion in Kendall, we'll be better next year. I don't think we've ever been strong in a year with only one contributing senior. next year all of the returners should be one more year at least marginaly better and we add what I think will be an impact transfer in Wood. we'll have a full roster with ANO, Fore and Friendshuh healthy. and while losing Kendall stings, everybody loses good players every year. we only lose one. his production will be replaced, disbursed among a few.
I assume we start either Cline or ANO at the 5, with Terry at the 4, Marshall at the 3, Trey at the 2 and Shawn'Dre at the point. Deion and ANO likely 1st two off the bench with Khwah probably getting most of the backup PG time. it'll be tough for more than one other to have a significant role. it'll be someone who can play the 2. the rest will have another year to wait and improve if they can't win a job.
 
SD, you're definitely not the only one.

spiderman, if Alonzo isn't starting for us next year, something is very wrong. I hope Wood can contribute, but he was averaging like 6 minutes and 2 points a game at Tech, so I am going to assume that he is pretty much the same player as Alonzo, only younger and less developed, until he proves otherwise.
 
Do not disagree with your point Spiderman. But it is the Coach's job to put his team in a position where they have the best chance to win.

You, me, and a lot of other Spider fans knew pre-season that shooting/scoring punch from Taylor, Davis, and Jones was going to be a major challenge.

There is no reason why the Coaching staff (who sees these same players every day) did not know the same. They made a decision. The team, program, and fans have had to live with that decision.

Unless the Coach buried Diekvoss on the bench this year (which I said earlier was likely due to Mooney's personal preferences) I find it hard to believe that a good shooter would not have added significant value to the 3-spot.
 
I've generally been very supportive of CM over the years, but even I am questioning some of the moves this year. I fundamentally don't get how we can't figure out a rotation that gets this lineup on the floor:

K0
TD/SDJ
TA
ANO
TJ

I just don't buy that there's a major performance gap between Deion and Alonzo or that we can't adjust our style to accommodate two 6'9" guys.

I tend not to question the coaches, they see these guys every day, know who does what well/poorly, who's tired, who's injured, etc., but still, it makes me nuts.

It's sort of irrelevant now with Zo being out, but we seem to be at our best when we're a little less constrained by convention.
 
Starting five tonight will be the same with DT, TD, TA, TJ, AND KA. Only difference will be DT getting even more minutes. SJ and JJ are first two off the bench.
 
If we get up to a 15 point lead like vegas suggests I really hope we get some extended playing time for JJ and KS.
 
Without KO we would be around 5-18, if that. He is also the only reason we beat RPI and are close in most all these games. I shudder to think of next year without a superior guard. Sure hope these young ones come to play!!!
 
Originally posted by spiderman:
nobody wants to hear wait til next year again and certainly nobody wanted to hear that in November, but despite losing one of our all time greats in my opinion in Kendall, we'll be better next year. I don't think we've ever been strong in a year with only one contributing senior. next year all of the returners should be one more year at least marginaly better and we add what I think will be an impact transfer in Wood. we'll have a full roster with ANO, Fore and Friendshuh healthy. and while losing Kendall stings, everybody loses good players every year. we only lose one. his production will be replaced, disbursed among a few.
I assume we start either Cline or ANO at the 5, with Terry at the 4, Marshall at the 3, Trey at the 2 and Shawn'Dre at the point. Deion and ANO likely 1st two off the bench with Khwah probably getting most of the backup PG time. it'll be tough for more than one other to have a significant role. it'll be someone who can play the 2. the rest will have another year to wait and improve if they can't win a job.
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We lose our best scorer on a team that is offensively challenged already this year and yet we are going to be better. I don't see it. No offense but if Trey is our starting shooting guard next year, I don't see that as a positive at all. Shooting guards need to be able to shoot.
 
Originally posted by 97spiderfan:
Shooting guards need to be able to shoot.
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I'm calling Trey the SG in that lineup, but obviously he's not a shooter. it would work fine, though, especially in a lineup with Cline, TA, Wood and SDJ who can all shoot. that line-up should be strong defensively, on the boards, and in shooting.
Eight, I may be wrong be I don't see Wood anything like ANO. I think Wood's supposed to be like TA. we could certainly start ANO and Cline together if Wood doesn't prove to be as good as I think. either way, I think ANO, Cline, Terry, and Wood all see 25 mpg+. I think that moves Deion in the reserve role many here hope for. and Trey is just too good to leave out, which is why I put him at the 2. he plays great D, rebounds, handles, and gets assists and steals. don't just look at shooting. there's more to the game.
 
Can anyone verify that Wood can get it up and into the basket. Is he a shooter? I really know nothing about his game.
 
Originally posted by ur2K:
Can anyone verify that Wood can get it up and into the basket. Is he a shooter? I really know nothing about his game.
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Wood was not good at scoring at Tech. His career 3pt% is 28%, his 2pt% is 39%. Both those numbers are bad. He has a worse 2pt% than EVERYONE currently on our team and the only person worse than him from the 3 is Deion. I was really confident Cline would have a huge impact due to his crazy numbers at Niagara, but Wood's numbers are at Tech are just bad. I hope he can score and be successful in our system, but it looks to me like he is Deion type player who can shoot slightly better from 3 and worse from 2.


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we can make stats say what we want. his last season at VaTech he took half of his shots from 3 and made 35% of them. that would rank him behind only Kendall and TJ on our team this year. he also converted 79% of his free throws.
yes, his freshman year was worse. better that than his sophomore year being worse, though.
based on his 2nd year he can shoot. he's a perimeter guy. I think he'll play the 3 for us.
 
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