As I said earlier, I think we will have 6 scholarship players on the roster come April. But all is well, we are in good hands. 6 players is almost half of a full roster, halfway there.
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April is an arbitrary date. The better date would be June or July when players are coming in for summer terms and getting acclimated. We should have 9 scholarship players on the roster. Let's at least be real about what we expect to have:
TJ
SDJ
MW
KF
JJ
PF
RunDMB
NS
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Questions do exist on JP, KD and if Joe Kirby scholarship renews. That's anywhere from 1-4 scholarships we may have to offer. I don't think JP is going anywhere. KD might, but I hope he sticks around and proves he was worth the offer.
TJ
SDJ
MW
KF
JJ
PF
RunDMB
NS
GG
Questions do exist on JP, KD and if Joe Kirby scholarship renews. That's anywhere from 1-4 scholarships we may have to offer. I don't think JP is going anywhere. KD might, but I hope he sticks around and proves he was worth the offer.
But the scariest thing is of the 6-9 schlorship players only 3 have proven they can compete in the A-10 against quality opponents.,,
It's a sad indictment of our recruiting since 2011...
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I saw those same starters lose to GMU here and go down by 25 there. The "Bench" Scored 31 points and cut the lead to 10.
Agreed, April is an arbitrary date. But say come July we know have 9 scholarship players, that is still 4 short of a full roster. How can a coach in his 11 year on the job only have a roster that is 70% full. It's like we are on NCAA probation around here, except the NCAA would never penalize a team that harshly. Penn State after all of the loss of scholarships from the NCAA sanctions, had a more level playing field than what we may have next year.
On the plus side, it looks like several of our walk-ons will get a full ride next year. At least that will make for a good story in the paper and reaffirm what a great guy our coach is. Who cares if those scholarship players can actually play or provide you depth, right???
So are we assuming that JP and KD are done for sure? And another '16 scholarship does not get filled? I know things are in bad shape but these are hypotheticals that may not even happen.
Let's sign up the two students that made the Pizza winning half court shots as walk-ons. Best shooting I saw all year. Just about the only thing we won at home also.
If we have 6 then Mooney only needs one more, right?
But that is with Kirby back to walk on status right?
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Kirby
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Correct. We have 2 open scholarships currently. As we do not run a college basketball charity, we have to assume that Joe Kirby is not getting another scholarship year for being a walk-on player for us. We could have up to 4 scholarships available if we have any transfers. I've said for a few weeks now that I believe we will have 2 transfer at the end of the year, so that is what I am basing my hypotheticals off of.
Either way, we should know if plenty of time to make adjustments, but 4 scholarships would be a lot to fill this late in the game.
I don't think JP is going to transfer. Kovien might be a possibility, but I don't see any need for us to run him off. Maybe he goes of his own volition, who knows.
So presuming we have 10 guys on scholarship, with 1 currently open spot, 1 spot that may open due to a transfer, and then probably a final spot presuming Kirby's scholarship doesn't renew.
I think we are going to be heavily in the market for at least one grad transfer big guy, although they don't grow on trees. I think we sign one of either Wesson or Ford. And then I think we look for another transfer or way under the radar guy to help the frontcourt.
So presuming we have 10 guys on scholarship, with 1 currently open spot, 1 spot that may open due to a transfer, and then probably a final spot presuming Kirby's scholarship doesn't renew.
I think we are going to be heavily in the market for at least one grad transfer big guy, although they don't grow on trees. I think we sign one of either Wesson or Ford. And then I think we look for another transfer or way under the radar guy to help the frontcourt.
I have to agree, most of these grad transfers are looking for a guaranteed NCAA tourney team and a basket weaving/criminal justice masters degree.
We run Kovien off if we don't feel he can play at this level. This isn't college basketball day care. Mooney dispatched of similar players the past couple years, so let us not think that this practice is beneath us.
The next step would be not recruiting division 2 players in the first place.
The next step would be not recruiting division 2 players in the first place.
No point in running him off if the scholarship is going to go unused though.
KoVien was gone, apparently, the day he appeared on campus. Why? Ask CM. What I find troubling, is that KoVien was played a minute in a game, which cost the young man a year of eligibility. Why? I fully expect Jesse to transfer. Why stay at UR? He had playing time at the beginning of the year, then wound up in the doghouse. We graduate no guards, will have more entering next year. I like the young man, and hope he finds a more hospitable program. Paul F, is in more difficult circumstances. He's been redshirted, so a transfer will cost him a year of being able to play. I haven't seen enough of him on the court to know what his ability is. But, he's been in our program for 2 years, and can't even play garbage minutes? I don't ever remember a period of time where we had so many recruits, who, rarely, ever saw the court.
Ulla, I generally agree with most of your posts. This time, I respectfully disagree. Many freshmen play in most programs, including UR. Go back and look at the highlights of some of our games, 4 years ago, and you will see our freshmen, TD, TA, ANO, and DT playing. Kevin Anderson and Kendall Anthony played as freshmen, as did Greg Robins and even Con Smyth. I should add Cedric Lindsay, as well. It's not just whether they should get opportunities on the court, it's whether, when the game has been decided, do you play your reserves to get experience or not. VOSC
I watch a lot of bb across many different conferences and levels. It seems to me that a high percentage of programs have at least one freshman who plays significant minutes.
Good point, 64. And yes, the Spiders have Khwan Fore, an all freshman team performer. OSC
I think he means a true freshman. It's great that Khwan is finally playing real minutes, but I doubt he would have played them last year had he not gotten hurt (granted, I know we had Kendall) and probably wouldn't have played them this year had he been a true freshman.
I agree that Mooney will play freshman that are ready to play in contribute, so what does that say about most of our freshman class, that they couldn't get anytime when you have 2 incumbent starters who can't come close to putting the ball in the basket with any regularity. If you play the same position as Trey/Deion and coach does not have to think twice about whether you can push for even nominal minutes, that tells me you are far from ready to play at this level.
Unless said players have some miraculous improvement in the offseason, I doubt they will be ready next year to be take major minutes.
We only run Kovien (or anyone) off that we can fill with a better player. If not, you don't run him off, not good for him, the program's reputation, or the team's ability to have a roster of competent practice players. Obviously it's not beneath us, we've done it before.
No, i would agree that we haven't, and frankly, we don't necessarily know that we've run anyone off. For all we know, guys like Singleton or Diekvoss made their own decisions. I mostly am suggesting that you don't encourage someone like Dominaus to leave, particularly since we don't have a pipeline of small forwards out there that I know of behind Wesson and Ford.
Pretty sure Kovien suffers from the same thing Khwan had. Khwan came in at 6'2 and is now listed as 6'0. Kovien came in at 6'7 and is now 6'5.
And both Julius & Jesse came in at 6'3" and are now 6'2".
But don't worry it is all part of our Kendall replication project...
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