The Trump Administration

[Gallipoli]

The Enemy Aliens Act is the same authority the Eisenhower administration used to deport 1M+ illegals in the early 50's.

Biden and Obama used their powers to open the gates to allow illegals to overrun this country. AOC could do no worse.

 

[KE Spider]

By the way, Biden knew about it. The worst abuses he knew about.

Firsthand accounts suggest he didn't know his tail from a hole in the ground for most of his term. Got 14 million votes in 2024 Dem primaries before forced out. Mind boggling. Not a Repub, but damned sure don't want that group leading us without serious reform.

 

[Gallipoli]

Firsthand accounts suggest he didn't know his tail from a hole in the ground for most of his term. Got 14 million votes in 2024 Dem primaries before forced out. Mind boggling. Not a Repub, but damned sure don't want that group leading us without serious reform.

Correct, but he had to be the sole decision maker on foreign policy, especially early on with Afghanistan. He came in wanting to pull the plug on Afghanistan. If anyone had influenced that decision, the results would not have been so chaotic disastrous. The Afghanistan decision led to so many other failures, including Ukraine. The left started calling it the Biden Doctrine.

I would also say that the lock downs and the firings over masks were his decisions as well. The implementation was so terrible, it had to be his doing.

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

Correct, but he had to be the sole decision maker on foreign policy, especially early on with Afghanistan. He came in wanting to pull the plug on Afghanistan. If anyone had influenced that decision, the results would not have been so chaotic disastrous. The Afghanistan decision led to so many other failures, including Ukraine. The left started calling it the Biden Doctrine.

I would also say that the lock downs and the firings over masks were his decisions as well. The implementation was so terrible, it had to be his doing.

Donald Trump is defying an order of the Supreme Court, and your and other's pathetic obsession with everything Biden continues. I guess you are okay with no checks and balances on Trump, he can just do what he wants to do, with a cowardly Republican Congress not providing any checks and balances and now Trump is defying the co-equal judicial branch's Court orders. And I guess you are okay with Trump issuing an EO condemning Republican Chris Krebs and ordering a department of justice investigation into him simply because he confirmed that the 2020 election was not fraudulent. Congratulations, you are getting what you voted for.

 

[KE Spider]

Then there was this - Supreme Court ruled Biden couldn't forgive student debt, but he did any how in defiance of the Court. No squeals heard then from his Party

 

[urfan1]

Biden just went back and enforced existing law:

"Although the Supreme Court struck down President Joe Biden’s signature student loan forgiveness program in late June, his administration has found ways to cancel more than $48 billion in debt since then.

The cancellations have come through existing federal student loan forgiveness programs, which are limited to specific categories of borrowers, such as public-sector workers, people defrauded by for-profit colleges, and borrowers who have paid for at least 20 years."

 

[KE Spider]

True. Some good lawyering to discover wiggle room in law, then either redraft eligibility requirements or interpret existing ones as broadly as possible. Net outcome had veneer of legality, but did not sit well with many including some Justices.

 

[urfan1]

True. Some good lawyering to discover wiggle room in law, then either redraft eligibility requirements or interpret existing ones as broadly as possible. Net outcome had veneer of legality, but did not sit well with many including some Justices.

Sounds like Trump's MOA.

 

[KE Spider]

Exactly

 

[Eight Legger]

Trump now stripping Harvard's nonprofit status because they have professors there he doesn't like. I thought the Republican Party was so hellbent on defending free speech? I guess only if it's speech whose ideals they support, but not when it's a world renowned university, and not when it's a student who writes an opinion piece they don't like for her school newspaper, then they have her deported.

Can't wait until the next Democratic president strips every church of its tax-exempt status. I thought we were trying to save money -- there's hundreds and hundreds of millions for you right there! Go get it, Elon!

 

[Anachnid]

Awwww, did Baron apply and not get accepted?

 

[urfan1]

Awwww, did Baron apply and not get accepted?

You may be on to something.

 

[Gallipoli]

This is Karl Rove's take on Donald Trump:

His policies will almost certainly continue to be a mixture of deliberately planned, well-executed ideas and those concocted on the fly. ...

Voters made crystal clear what they sought during the 2024 election. They wanted prices to come down and the economy revved up. The Southern border had to be closed, our military strengthened and a strong leader installed in the Oval Office....

But on the key issue of the economy, Americans aren’t happy. Mr. Trump’s campaign promise to break inflation has been replaced by a fixation on raising tariffs, which nearly three-quarters of Americans expect to hike prices....

Every week the White House throws its weight behind a new issue that went largely or entirely unmentioned during the campaign....

Message discipline has never been Mr. Trump’s strength. He doesn’t avoid drama; he relishes creating it. Not a real surprise from the man behind “The Apprentice.” Mr. Trump seems to feel he’s winning only if he dominates the coverage, sets the story line, advances the narrative and pulls a surprise or two....

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/america-gets-trump-fatigue-trade-economy-policy-politics-41109d6d?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

 

[Spiders4ever]

2026 mid-terms cannot come soon enough

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

2026 mid-terms cannot come soon enough

I agree, as long as they are free and fair. I'd be surprised if Trump and his henchmen don't try to sabotage them somehow.

 

[localspider]

2026 mid-terms cannot come soon enough

Many said the same about mid-terms when Joe was POTUS. The grass is always greener, and we are all stuck on the merry-go-round.

 

[KE Spider]

If Abrego Garcia is the hill Dems want to die on, they will get their wish. Remarkably unpopular position. Foolish politically.

He is not a choir boy and has zero right to be in this country. He is a citizen of El Salvador, where he now resides, with a long deportable record.

Bring him back to make some happy, then deport him to anywhere other than El Salvador. No loss for the USA.

Van Hollen and possible Senator Booker, et al, are buffooning themselves. Fell for the Trump catnip.

 

[Gallipoli]

The administration has already said that if Abrego Garciais brought back to the US, he will be immediately deported. Abrego Garcia is one of Obama's dreamers. How did he make an income in the last 10 years. According to reports, he always had a roll of cash in his pocket.

 

[KE Spider]

This story is the very definition of fake news. Facts diametrically opposed to the legacy narrative.

 

[urfan1]

If Abrego Garcia is the hill Dems want to die on, they will get their wish. Remarkably unpopular position. Foolish politically.

He is not a choir boy and has zero right to be in this country. He is a citizen of El Salvador, where he now resides, with a long deportable record.

Bring him back to make some happy, then deport him to anywhere other than El Salvador. No loss for the USA.

Van Hollen and possible Senator Booker, et al, are buffooning themselves. Fell for the Trump catnip.

They would have stood up for Due Process and the Constitution, contrary to Trump.

 

[Eight Legger]

The guy was here legally, which is all that matters. If you are ok with people who are here legally being abducted by the government and thrown in a foreign jail, then everyone is at risk of the same fate.

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

This story is the very definition of fake news. Facts diametrically opposed to the legacy narrative.

You are not even getting the bigger picture. A US judge, and the Supreme Court by 9-0, has directed the Trump Administration to have this guy returned. The Trump Administration has given both the middle finger. If you are okay with that, then you are okay with authoritarinism.

 

[KE Spider]

Over the top interpretation. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the US. Not one, but two Federal Immagration Judges have agreed he is a MS 13 gang member and subject to deportation to anywhere but El Salvador. This is a non story. There is no there there.

If it makes objectors happy, maybe El Salvadorean Prez will release him to US, then we deport him to some other country.

Would folks be happy then? He has zero right to be in our country. Zero.

 

[Spiderwiz]

I have no objection to removing him if warranted. I do agree with the Fourth Circuit that due process needs to be followed. There are seven pages to the opinion authored by Wilkinson, a Reagan appointee, and I have only placed some of the opening here. The issue here is larger than Garcia's particular situation.

FILED: April 17, 2025
UNITED STATESCOURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT
No. 25-1404
(8:25-cv-00951-PX)
KILMAR ARMANDO ABREGO GARCIA; JENNIFER STEFANIA VASQUEZ
SURA ; A.A.V., a minor, by and through his next friend and mother, Jennifer
Vasquez Sura,
Plaintiffs Appellees,
V.
KRISTI NOEM; TODD LYONS; KENNETH GENALO ; NIKITA BAKER;
PAMELA JO BONDI; MARCO RUBIO,
Defendants – Appellants.
ORDER
WILKINSON, Circuit Judge, with whom KING and THACKER, Circuit Judges, join:
Upon review of the government's motion, the court denies the motion for an
emergency stay pending appeal and for a writ of mandamus . The relief the government is
requesting is both extraordinary and premature. While we fully respect the Executive's
robust assertion of its Article II powers , we shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine
district judge attempting to implement the Supreme Court's recent decision.
It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it
is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country
in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our
constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody
that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that
Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13.
Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process . If the government
is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to
terminate the withholding of removal order. See 8 C.F.R. § 208.24(f) (requiring that the
government prove "by a preponderance of evidence" that the alien is no longer entitled to
a withholding of removal). Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia
was wrongly or "mistakenly” deported. Why then should it not make what was wrong,
right?

 

[fan2011]

If Abrego Garcia is the hill Dems want to die on, they will get their wish. Remarkably unpopular position. Foolish politically.

He is not a choir boy and has zero right to be in this country. He is a citizen of El Salvador, where he now resides, with a long deportable record.

Bring him back to make some happy, then deport him to anywhere other than El Salvador. No loss for the USA.

Van Hollen and possible Senator Booker, et al, are buffooning themselves. Fell for the Trump catnip.

I hat to be a "both sides" guy, but right now I agree that a lot of the narrative on both sides is about the individual and whether he "deserves" to be in a Salvadoran prison or not, which I think masks the bigger issue. The bigger issue is that the government acted without providing due process, blatantly and intentionally ignored court orders, and flaunted a supreme court ruling. By supporting the governments actions you are saying "suspending due process is fine, ignoring court orders is fine, ignoring the supreme court is fine, as long as I personally approve of the outcome." Or simply "laws only apply if I like the outcome." There are few positions that are more anti-freedom and anti-American in my mind.

 

[Eight Legger]

"Laws only apply if I like the outcome" is pretty much the current motto of the United States government.

 

[urmite]

I hat to be a "both sides" guy, but right now I agree that a lot of the narrative on both sides is about the individual and whether he "deserves" to be in a Salvadoran prison or not, which I think masks the bigger issue. The bigger issue is that the government acted without providing due process, blatantly and intentionally ignored court orders, and flaunted a supreme court ruling. By supporting the governments actions you are saying "suspending due process is fine, ignoring court orders is fine, ignoring the supreme court is fine, as long as I personally approve of the outcome." Or simply "laws only apply if I like the outcome." There are few positions that are more anti-freedom and anti-American in my mind.

While I am not going to discuss this particular case,I do have couple of issues with the “illegal aliens don’t get due process” crowd.

First, I may believe they shouldn’t, I’m just not sure that is the accurate legal interpretation.

But the bigger issue I have is with the concept that illegals aliens shouldn’t get due process in determining they ARE illegal aliens…

 

[urfan1]

Over the top interpretation. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the US. Not one, but two Federal Immagration Judges have agreed he is a MS 13 gang member and subject to deportation to anywhere but El Salvador. This is a non story. There is no there there.

If it makes objectors happy, maybe El Salvadorean Prez will release him to US, then we deport him to some other country.

Would folks be happy then? He has zero right to be in our country. Zero.

Not exactly, in a bond hearing and appeal therof, (low proof bar), based on witness statement the Court ruled there was reason to believe he could be MS13 and thus bond was denied. Far from a legal finding of membership. As said he's entitled to his day in Court (see 1993 ruling of SC written by Justice Scalia, immigrant is entitled to Due Process).

If Administration is so certain, lose the black eye, bring him home and when you win send him away again.

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

Over the top interpretation. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the US. Not one, but two Federal Immagration Judges have agreed he is a MS 13 gang member and subject to deportation to anywhere but El Salvador. This is a non story. There is no there there.

If it makes objectors happy, maybe El Salvadorean Prez will release him to US, then we deport him to some other country.

Would folks be happy then? He has zero right to be in our country. Zero.

Not 5, but 9 Supreme Court Justices have ruled that he should be returned to the US. He has no conviction, not even a criminal charge has been filed against him. You might think you are smarter and have a better interpretation of the law than all 9 of the Justices, but I doubt that you are, I know I'm not. If it were 5 to 4 or even 6 to 3 there is certainly room for argument, but 9 to 0? Again, you are missing the big picture, if Trump can ignore a 9-0 order of the Supreme Court, he is an autocrat.

 

[KE Spider]

Misreading of what SCOTUS said. Lower Court ruled he could not be deported to El Savaldor. He was in error which was admitted by Admin. Clearly a violation of lower Court ruling so an easy 9-0.

SCOTUS did not say he couldn't be deported upon return to US.

 

[KE Spider]

What does citizenship mean? Does anyone who violates our laws by illegally entering our country automatically have all the rights guaranteed to citizens? I think not.

 

[urfan1]

What does citizenship mean? Does anyone who violates our laws by illegally entering our country automatically have all the rights guaranteed to citizens? I think not.

Limited yes, but as a person there are rights granted even to those here illegally.

Defense of immigrants’ due process rights has transcended ideological lines. Late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, a conservative, wrote in a 1993 opinion: “It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in deportation proceedings.”

 

[KE Spider]

Fine. Garcia is here illegally. Everyone agrees. Being here illegally is prima facie evidence for deportation with few exceptions. His asylum assertion came very late plus told ICE did not fear deportation to anywhere in Central America. What are we debating? Paperwork over the law? Tempest in a teapot. There are no foundational principles threatened.

Yes, Admin did it wrong, but he will be gone one way or the other. Have too many wife beaters without adding another.

 

[Eight Legger]

Yes, Admin did it wrong, but he will be gone one way or the other. Have too many wife beaters without adding another.

Agreed. Unfortunately, one of them is the secretary of defense. Maybe he will be shipped to El Salvador, too.

 

[KE Spider]

As Wood would say...whataboutism. One is a citizen, try him in court. One has no right to be here, show him the exit.

 

[Wood Hall]

Wood would say, "Listen to the Supreme Court." Even a woke activist judge like Anton Scalia.

Citizen or not, his right to due process was clearly violated and he was sent to prison illegally.

If the rights of all aren't defended, then the rights of none of us are.

And the Trumpers were caught photoshopping gang tattoos onto his fingers.

 

[KE Spider]

Did he enter our country illegally? If so, show him the door. Lets not make this into a threat to the foundation of our beliefs. It isn't.