Except for the fact that Macon has been a good 3 point shooting team for years, and likely will be again this year. That is always a big part of their game. Corey Bays made 42% from 3 for them last year and was 2-8 last night.
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Except for the fact that Macon has been a good 3 point shooting team for years, and likely will be again this year. That is always a big part of their game. Corey Bays made 42% from 3 for them last year and was 2-8 last night.
Francis may have been a little over aggressive, but I thought he looked promising on both ends. He played hard and took a charge at one point, something we rarely if ever saw last year. Not everything was negative, but I didn’t see any improvement in the defense, which is where our problem was last year.
I’ll reserve any further judgement until we actually play a game that counts.
I’ll reserve any further judgement until we actually play a game that counts.
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A certain poster is going to be quite dizzy by mid season this year.
Pocket Full of Kryptonite
Little Miss Can't be wrong
A certain poster is going to be quite dizzy by mid season this year.
They are a good three-point shooting team AGAINST OTHER DIVISION 3 TEAMS. You know: other teams who have a bunch of players who received zero scholarship offers! This is really not complicated.
Ah yes, that is what every coach says to start off a game. Hey, guys lets give them a couple uncontested looks from 3 and see if they can knock them down.
way too strong a conclusion after one exhibition game.
Fine, so you are saying they should not be a good 3 point shooting team against a D1 team. Wait a minute. Last night, they weren't. And, you are still bothered by it. Okay. Whatever. So, did we play good 3 point D or not? Now, for this argument, you seem to be saying they did not shoot well because they played a D1 team, meaning that D1 team would have had something to do with their bad shooting. But, if we did not play good D and had no affect on their shooting, why does it matter if we are D1 or D3? As usual, you are so worried about attacking everything I say, you end up hurting your own argument.
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Pace and volume of shots kept things closer than it should have been last night. Macon took 6 more shots, had 11 more second chance points (more active on the offensive rebounding) and 7 more bench points. Stats like that are why it was not a blow out. The Spiders won the game with points in the paint and better shooting. Macon shot 34% vs 44% from the field and 24% vs 47% from 3. Packing in the D and size threw a smaller Randolph Macon team for a loop. In my opinion Francis needs to be less ball dominant. He was probably excited to be on the floor again though.
first thought is in response to the help coming from the ball-side corner defender. to me that can't be where help comes from. that pass to the ball-side corner is the #1 option for any guy who's driving. easy pass, easy shot. help has to come from the guy defending the other block. he already has two feet in the lane in help position. and that pass across the lane is much tougher.
defensive rebounding is still a concern. I love how far Nathan's come as a player, but even last year his 4.2 rpg is light for a big forward with his athleticism playing 31 mpg. Nick's not going to be a monster rebounder but his his offense earns him time. our guards will chip in but they're small. Grant will get what he can but he's not the kind of athlete that can rebound out of his area all that much. we need more rebounding at the 4.
I was hoping to hear more glowing reports on Burton. sounds like he may not be ready for prime time yet. but I think he might make a difference in rebounding soon. he's going to be a better offense threat than Nathan from the perimeter too, which will keep defenses more honest to limit help on Grant.
defensive rebounding is still a concern. I love how far Nathan's come as a player, but even last year his 4.2 rpg is light for a big forward with his athleticism playing 31 mpg. Nick's not going to be a monster rebounder but his his offense earns him time. our guards will chip in but they're small. Grant will get what he can but he's not the kind of athlete that can rebound out of his area all that much. we need more rebounding at the 4.
I was hoping to hear more glowing reports on Burton. sounds like he may not be ready for prime time yet. but I think he might make a difference in rebounding soon. he's going to be a better offense threat than Nathan from the perimeter too, which will keep defenses more honest to limit help on Grant.
On Francis and Burton. It was there first time wearing the jersey in front of fans. Wasn't there, but think we need to understand they probably had some extra adrenaline and nerves running through their systems.
The flying Dutchman thing is not a mistake on the part of our guys -- it's literally exactly what Mooney coaches them to do. I heard him say as much in a video interview last year. The idea is that it's more distracting to shooters to have a guy flying at them than just guarding them closely. So for better or worse, this is his strategy.
We clearly coach this. If I'm the opposing coach and I do even a shred of scouting, I completely prep my team for this and tell them to sidestep and shoot, or worse, if they've got a good enough look shoot and wait for the 3shot/+1 foul.
There's nothing good about the Dutchman, except that I believe I coined the phrase, at least as it relates to our 3pt defensive strategy.
I will say that it's interesting we are still employing this "technique," given that we are supposedly play man D now. If we're doing it right, we should always have someone close enough to the guy who is shooting that we don't need this. I wasn't at the game, so I can't say whether we were in the matchup zone during these occasions last night or not. But if we were in man, oof.
I wouldn't call that representative of the crowd. There was no one behind the baskets, but the side where that camera was, may have been 75% full up to row S. Which is where I had to sit when I got there 2 minutes before halftime.
Surprised how many posters here weren't there.
Actually, I am baffled by their 3 point shooting last night. The last couple of seasons they seemed to shoot 41-42% vs other DIII teams. Last night they seemed to shoot 24% even on the times when we had no one 4 feet from them and no one approaching. Are most DIII defenses easier than that?
I'm not saying we were playing bad defense all the time. I'm saying even when we did, it seemed to work, and I don't understand.
More data coming on Friday night...
someone said we didn't play matchup. and sounds like it's when we have to help that's causing problems.
Thanks. I wasn't there, and that photo is all I had to go on for an estimate. With open seating, I wonder why it was so much more crowded on the opposite side? Too much trouble to circumnavigate the RC from the main entrance?
I would assume so. But as I said I got there late. I normally just go to the same seats I've had since 1982, but had to go higher or step on toes and then rub elbows to find a seat...
I actually don’t mind if we concede some space on the outside shooter if the trade off is that we’re good at preventing inside scoring. As Philly mentioned, be committed to “something” and hopefully be good at it. We can still close out on three point shooting without going Dutchman to do it.
Of the most alarming stats from the scrimmage, it is us getting outrebounded by a D3 team that concerns me the most. And, yes, that was one of the main downfalls of his match-up zone defense, so presumably going man to man would lessen our rebounding differential. It didn't last night.
It was normally not a ball fake situation. Most of the 3's were wide open looks that were just missed. There were however, a fair number that were "contested" by the Dutchman.
You don't have to be tall to box out. I'm just assuming, sight unseen, that we didn't box out well.
For Spider fans who were less than impressed last night, will find this score interesting at halftime...... Glenville State 51 Davidson 49.......that is why these games are called exhibition.
Under 10 mins....Davidson 82 Glenville 76
Under 10 mins....Davidson 82 Glenville 76
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Couple observations. UR had a distinct size advantage under the basket. Not sure why we did not exploit feeding it in and pounding the boards. Second half strategy seemed to be along this line. RMC double teamed Grant, but many time ended up fouling so much we were in the bonus at the 13-minute mark.
Burton should be the sub for Grant. It was obvious he is still learning the defense, but his athletic ability and natural aggressiveness to go to the basket at both ends make him a factor. Otherwise, when Grant comes out, there is a drop-off in the middle.
Like Francis' attacking the basket, but more control is needed and a willingness to pass the ball, especially on breaks.
Burton should be the sub for Grant. It was obvious he is still learning the defense, but his athletic ability and natural aggressiveness to go to the basket at both ends make him a factor. Otherwise, when Grant comes out, there is a drop-off in the middle.
Like Francis' attacking the basket, but more control is needed and a willingness to pass the ball, especially on breaks.
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Believe BFrancis is just what we need. He is tough, plays with an edge, a little swagger., something that maybe has been missing around UR lately. Forced it some last night, but he’s not gonna be passive. Hope he can supply some “not gonna lose” attitude at end of games !
There is a lot that goes into playing man to man. It is not just go guard your guy. You have to know when to help and rotate, when and how to deny ball reversal, know when and what to do when you are one or two passes away from the ball, and know when to give medium help toward the lane, meaning you don't commit to the double team, but you try to do enough to bother another guy with the ball while still being able to get back to your guy. These are just a few examples. There is plenty more that goes into this.
I noticed Burton out of position a lot, standing by himself looking around while team mates were attempting to guard. He would then find who wasn't being guarded and try to scurry to pick them up.
It was evident that he has been used to being more of a rim protector in high school. I also saw him trying to overplay his man, but footwork put him out of position more than once.
Not knocking him at all, His play on both ends showed typical freshman behaviors. Some of his offensive moves were bullish attempts. More than once he attempted to overpower, using size and strength to score. Problem was that his size and strength are not nearly as overpowering at the college level as they were in high school. It didn't work at least twice that I can remember.
I said previously that I think Burton shows good potential. He was assertive trying to score and rebound. That is a breath of fresh air. He just wasn't as successful at doing it YET because he needs seasoning. He should get better as the year goes along, and he likely will play more as he adjusts to the college game.
I would not use him as the backup for Golden.
That's has been and continues to be an issue with Mooney from day 1. It's an aspect of the game that hasn't been taught enough for years, not just here. The power schools I think get highly talented players that those coaches in the big picture don't see it as a top major concern.
It's the mid-majors and lower conferences that need to prioritized it being at an athleticism disadvantage. Like I previously posted, average is the best Mooney's defense can hope for with the players he has at hand. If a STRAIGHT MAN was used for MC? and continues, it should be easily seen which player(s) are the weak link(s).
all of that is true. and yet knowing how and when to do all of that still isn't very difficult. sorry. it just isn't.
Seriously? If you know any coaches, ask them how difficult it is, not to just play it, but play it correctly and at a high level that gives you the best chance to win.
